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All your arguments about immigrating elsewhere could also apply to the Israelis.

"Hostages" or "prisoners," what's the difference? I don't base my conclusions on Biden or any one source. Many sources call the bombings "indiscriminate." And... If the IDF says the bombings were not Indiscriminate but precise and focussed, that makes their killing of tens of thousands of civilians even the more despicable!

Yes! Permanent ceasefire (perhaps enforced). No! I do not want to see either side lose any more than it already has. I want to see them sit down and work out some arrangement of how they can both live together (one-state solution - unlikely) or at least side by side (two-state solution).

I wouldn't like that at all, but that would be better than killing hundreds, maybe thousands, of them outright like was done in the bombings.

Okay, would you believe 20,000? Or 10,000? Either of those is horrible.

No one is calling for Israel to surrender to Hamas! All we are asking for is a permanent ceasefire (possibly being enforced by a UN peacekeeping force), an exchange of hostages/prisoners, and a beginning of talks on how to create either a one-state (fantasy) or two-state solution that is agreeable to both parties.

And, previously I've speculated that this might have been the Hamas goal when it made its Oct 7 terrorist attack.

I've always referred to the Oct 7 attack as a "terrorist" attack and the indiscriminate (random, not targeting specific buildings or areas) of Gaza as despicable, and I have never defended the taking of hostages by either side or prisoners by either side. You are mistaking my acknowledgment of the reason Hamas and IDF use for doing such things as biased (antisemite). It's not. It's a two-way street, and I see both sides. You and your pro-(censored) cronies are the ones who only see one side of the street.

Hamas doesn't kill 30,000 civilians. The IDF does, and some of those are babies. Gaza death toll: More than 30,000 killed since Israel-Hamas war began, health ministry says | CNN

Yes, holding one-year-olds as hostages is a tactic of Hamas. Indiscriminate bombings of civilian areas are a tactic of Israel. Which is worse? Which causes the most destruction and loss of life? Sorry for the triplicate post.

Yes, holding one-year-olds as hostages is a tactic of Hamas. Indiscriminate bombings of civilian areas are a tactic of Israel. Which is worse? Which causes the most destruction and loss of life? Sorry for the duplicate post...

Yes, holding one-year-olds as hostages is a tactic of Hamas. Indiscriminate bombings of civilian areas are a tactic of Israel. Which is worse? Which causes the most destruction and loss of life?

"They," the radical, right-wing faction of which Netanyahu's government is a member, do want the eradication and elimination of the Palestine nation so Israel can totally occupy what it thinks is its literally God-given right to own. There will always be those who want Israel to share (or divide up) this land with the Palestinians who were living there before the state of Israel was created.

I'm tired of trying to post maps of Israel just to have them removed. I've done this many times in the past. If you really want to see how much land Israel has taken from the Palestinians, just search for "map Israel 1948" and then "map Israel 2023" and you'll see for yourself.

America (the USA) has many citizens from many different ethnic groups.

I included the exchange of prisoners in my suggestion because that condition was included in the first couple of proposals from both Israel and Hamas that have been turned down. "Prisoners," from what I understand, include both Palestinians who have been arrested and held without a trial or conviction by Israel and soldiers (POWs) on each side. Yes, I think hostages should never have been taken and should be released with no conditions, but I know that is not what Hamas will do. They will use them as bargaining chips in negotiation. Israelis will use their military might and whatever prisoners they have as bargaining chips. I wouldn't say I like any of this, but this is the process that will have to be done.

Yes! (on most of your points above... - I do support "Israelis living on their land which was legally bestowed upon them in 1948..." and do oppose "...the Palestinians trying to forcible seize Israelis land." - The land that Hamas invaded on Oct 7 was their land in the 1948 UN map. Israel had "forcible[ly] sized" it since then. - I support Israel in responding to the Oct 7 slaughter. I do not support Israel having seized and now living on that land. - Yes, I agree wholeheartedly that "it is ALWAYS wrong to forcible seize other peoples land to live on."

I have REPEATEDLY called for a CEASEFIRE, which would include the release/exchange of hostages/prisoners. I'm sure there would be other conditions, and a "surrender" could mean many things. If "surrender" just means a ceasefire, I think could be worked out. But if "surrender" means all Hamas would be taken into custody by the IDF, that would be more difficult. And, would that only mean the leaders or every fighter? Also the war will not end until the two sides (hopefully after getting rid of their current leadership) sit down and work out an agreement as to how this land will be divided up (two-state solution).

I agree but I have to add that things will remain the same until someone ALSO removes the right-wing, nationalistic leaders of Isreal (I can't use their names). They have the same motives, goals, and use the same tactics as Hamas.

It was ALWAYS wrong to forcibly seize and live on other people's land. Israelis have done that for the past 75 years and NOW continue to do that.

I agree there must never be another Oct 7, but I also believe there should never be a continuing (now almost 6-month-long) devastation of an area using indiscriminate bombing and now invasion causing ten's of thousands of civilian casualties.

I don't hate Israelis, but I do hate their right-wing faction (which I am not allowed to name here). But then, I guess, I could say I hate all right-wing factions everywhere.

Ah, we do definitely have different point of view on this: - I believe that the current military action in Gaza was provoked by the Hamas terrorist attack on Oct 7, but this is just a continuation of a much larger and longer conflict. I also believe the current military actions in Gaza have been much too severe and have gone on much longer than necessary. - I am not telling Israelis to get off the land of Israel. I'm telling them to get off the land of the Palestinians. The UN clearly defined the division of these two lands in their 1947 map, which keeps getting deleted when I post it here. - The current military actions in Gaza and the continuing war that is the result of Israelis taking and living on Palestinian land are all the same issue.

I am not hypocritical. I have said over and over again that what my forefathers did 400+ years ago was genocide and wrong. Now I am telling you that what Israel is doing now is genocide and wrong. What you are doing is like telling someone who admits his father was a thief that it is now okay for you (Israel) to steal. It's just a crazy argument, trying to deflect the charge of genocide from Israel by bringing up the success of past genocides.

Strawman argument! Why did you classify my argument as "It was wrong then, and still wrong now" as a "strawman argument"? "A strawman is a fallacious argument that distorts an opposing stance in order to make it easier to attack." Strawman Arguments: What They Are and How to Counter Them – Effectiviology