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No, I support neither of those versions of a one-state solution.

No, my first choice would be a one-state solution where all citizens, Palestinian/Arab/Muslim and Israelis/Jews/Jew, would live together in peace as equals. But, as I said above, that just doesn't seem like it could happen. So, my second choice would be a two-state solution where each group has its own designated land (as was done by the UN in 1948). My last choice (in fact, it's not even a "choice" but a "nightmare") would be a one-state solution in which either side is dominant and either eliminates or subjugates the other side.

Yes, that is the solution desired by the Israelis-who-want-to-control-all-of-the-land-and-drive-out-or-subdue-the-Palestinians, but not by, I hope, the rest of the world. I am now in favor of a two-state solution.

I think we have only one opinion that is the same: the wish for a peaceful one-state solution.

Yes! I did exactly that to show how our beliefs are opposite.

I've never heard of such a thing! I have heard that before WWII, the Nazis were worried that the Jews were trying to gain economic control over Germany, and that was part of their justification for their treatment of the German Jews. But I certainly haven't heard of anything today like you describe above. As I have said, I think the basis of the conflict between the Palestinians and Israelis right now is a struggle to control the land. Other Arab states are sympathetic to the Palestinians, and this "war" may indeed widen if it continues.

You are mixing up terms in your statement above. I will respond using what I consider valid terms: I am not anti-Isreali. I am anti-Jews-who-want-to-control-all-of-the-land-and-drive-out-or-subdue-the-Palestinians (I can't use the term I used to use anymore). I also want the Palestinians and Jews to live side-by-side in a one-state solution. If that is not possible (which seems so), I would support a two-state solution. I cannot use the term you use above anymore, but, to repeat myself, I am not anti-Isreali. I am anti-Jews-who-want-to-control-all-of-the-land-and-drive-out-or-subdue-the-Palestinians. Many of the pro-Israeli groups are anti-Arab Palestinian haters who just use the Israeli cause to further their anti-Palestinian opinion . I do not hate Israel. I hate Jews-who-want-to-control-all-of-the-land-and-drive-out-or-subdue-the-Palestinians, and I do disagree with BOTH Palestinian and Israeli violence.

I agree with all the quotes you have cited above...

The reason the posters, like me, say we are "neutral and unbiased and see both sides" mainly post anti-Israeli information is to try to compensate for the almost totally anti-Palestinian information posters, like you, who are solidly pro-Israeli and anti-Palistinian. We know there are two sides to this story and want to make sure readers get to read about both sides.

I don't understand your post above. What are you talking about, and is this something addressed directly to me?

I think that "everybody else of note" wants BOTH a ceasefire and a release of the hostages. I think those "of note" assume that will be done simultaneously. Of course, Hamas and Israel want the other side to comply first. This is where a UN peacekeeping force could help coordinate these kinds of issues. Since you added "of note" to your term, I'll add "virtual" to my term. If the Israeli terrorist activities in Gaza continue for much longer, "virtual annihilation" will be a proper description. And I'm sure it's their goal.

Not "everybody else." If Hamas releases the hostages first, there will be no ceasefire, just a continuing annihilation of virtually all Palestinians in Gaza, and then maybe the West Bank. Of course, that's what the Israeli terrorists have wanted to do for years now.

Palestinians don't want two states either. I agree, but I think that is the only solution that will ever produce a lasting peace. I hope the UN will be able to force these two into a viable two-state solution.

That's a very good question, but I certainly can't answer that until I know how it ends. Does it end with Israel completely wiping out Hamas and taking control of Gaza and all of the West Bank? Does it end with negotiations forced by the UN to develop a two-state solution? Does it end in a manner that is not acceptable to most Palestinians or most Israelis? There are many possibilities for how it ends, but I don't think any of them bodes well for peace in the future.

I reject Trump wholeheartedly, but I've said for a long time that I think no matter who wins the Nov 2024 presidential election, neither side will accept the results, and there will be violence.

I don't think I ever said there was a COUNTRY called "Palestine." I said the LAND IN QUESTION was called Palestine, and it was before 1947 and even while the UN established the state of Israel.

Yes, I see that all the time. But that seems to be the tone of this topic, unfortunately.

No you are making things up about what I said What you said was, "Hamas was created by the Muslim Brotherhood since 1987. Nothing to do with this war started on the 7th Oct." Sounds like you were saying the original group had nothing to do with Oct 7 to me.

And And, that's interesting information to know. I myself have thought that Hamas did not represent the will of the majority of the Palestinians. That poll I posted would say that was incorrect.

Nice alliteration, but otherwise, incorrect.

So, are you saying the Hamas that was created in 1987 has nothing to do with the Hamas that terrorized Israel on Oct 7?

I guess the UN mistakenly called it "Palestine" then. You think? 😄 United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine - Wikipedia

If you actually think about it, a poll of the Palestinians shortly after Oct 7 shows you their actual support of Hamas. A more recent poll would show you their support now, which would have been affected a lot by the revenge bombings by Israel. They would now start to regret Oct 7. Before that, however, they were in solid support of Hamas and the Oct 7 attack.

I was referring to the link I posted. That poll was taken in Dec of 2023.

Accuse the other side of which you yourself are extremely guilty! No, I can see the pro-Israeli side of this conflict. It is, IMO, based on the fervent belief that Jews have been "promised" that land by "God," so they are entitled to it. And, again, IMO, Palestinians believe that since their forefathers lived there, they too are entitled to it. And then on and on it goes.