The Cyclist

No, it isn't I guess that it is for over 65's Do you think you can work that one out ? Why don't you visit your local RD Office and let them put you on the right track.

Perhaps this will assist If you want to know more about email, ex-DPP Nazir Afzal is your man.

Out of curiosity. You can read can't you ?

The girl at the Revenue Office. Whether every Revenue Office is the same, I have no idea.

Its a standard PND 91 It wasn't me that done that, it was the girl at the Revenue Department. After she had mucked about with deductions and tax, before it sank in that it was non taxable in Thailand

As she was using my Government Pension, I would assume that any other exempt income would go in the same place. That is also assuming all Revenue Dept Offices are singing off the same hymn sheet. Which, for some reason or other, I find hard to believe 😀😀

Look again, Item 2 is filled in, in pencil

Neither am I Sheryl, neither am I. I will come back to the word ' Exempt ' in a minute, @chiang mai take note. After she had rambled on about tax paid and deductions, and made notes on the paper. I ( At least I think ) I got her to understand this income was not taxable in Thailand due to the UK - Thai DTA. Hence we now have a zero where it says tax to be paid. So as @chiang mai pointed out, it could be a terminology issue, where I used ' Not taxable due to DTA ' rather than using ' Exempt " And she was quite adamant that it needed to be declared, so I am now scratching my head again, previously thinking I had nothing to do.

See my post above She accepted eventually that it was not taxable due to DTA and that is why there is a 0 figure in the tax payable box. But was insistent that I had still had to file even though it is not taxable. So ' What we know so far ' is still the square root of zilch.

Sure. That is what the told me last February, exept only 1 source of income was exempt, Gov Pension, my private pension should ( in theory anyway ) have been taxable. At the small local office. Well, that is what we all ( including me ) believed. Rocks up today ( Only Gov Pension ) and was told otherwise, at the big Office. Here is her pencilled scribbles to help me fill it You will notice that she has applied 100,000 Baht deduction for a Pension 60,000 Baht deduction for me And some mental withholding tax thing, which by that stage I had lost all interest, so it could be anything. Total tax payable 0

Go on then. Educate those of us that think ' Go woke, go broke ' is all wrong.

Yes, that was my understanding right up until today And it takes my back to the Op Which I have previously said makes complete sense to me from a tax avoidance / evasion perspective. The PND she gave me, appears to be the same one for last year, but I didn't study it in detail. I'm still mided to do nothing and file nothing, I will make a decision when 2024 tax filing forms go on the TRD website. If they do not have a separate secrion for non - assessable income. my original plan goes into play. bank printout / P60 / statement of future payments into an A 4 envelope and filed in a drawer for safekeeping.

Bit of a moot point when I have just been told that non- assessable income requires filing.

Pak Chong. And here is the kicker. I am not convinced that she knew what she was talking about. Despite me going through the DTA and not being taxable in Thailand. She initially started talking about the UK tax already paid and Personal deductions and showing me how these should be put on the form. Perhaps just how they work, but was totally stumped when I asked what difference any of that made when the top line figure is not taxable. Blank look. So I am hoping that the updated PND 91 has a separate section for non - assessable income or the small RD office gives me the same answer as last year. I am now currently in limbo until the new PND's are released into the public domain.

Which is the information that I got last year from the small Revenue Dept Office. This morning I went to bank for annual printout. Took car for its annual inspection and went into the big Revenue Office, which is next door to the testing station. Different info. Where I was told that I do have to file, even though not taxable due to DTA. Nice girl filled in the PND 91 in pencil for me, where the figures need to go. I'll post a photo when I get home I dont think the PND 91 is an updated version, so I wont actually be doing anything until an updated PND 91makes an appearance. She did tell me to file at the small office, rather than coming back out to the big office. Interesting times indeed.

Go woke - Go broke Really nothing more to say.

Yes, I get that, and that is not in dispute. Americans also have FATCA that they have to comply with, or whatever is called. We can ignore Americans for the rest of this post. Up until Thailand adopted CRS ( The OECD equivalent of FATCA ) There was nothing for other Western Nations to comply with. They now have CRS to comply with if they move monies across CRS Country borders.Given the main aim of CRS is the avoidance and detection of Tax evasion / avoidance, a system that was not a closed loop did not really make sense to me. Which is why I said right at the start. The people who who remit money through things like Wise and other platforms will probably have some explaining to do. Not so with people who direct deposit to a Thai Bank account things like Government Pensions, or others exempt thai taxation by way of DTA. Very easily checkable, the transfer code will tell the bank, the RD what the transfer is for. A transfer code that includes Paymaster is a Government Pension. A transfer code that includes DWP will be a State Pension. Private Pensions will use a transfer code that is specific to the Pension administrator. The above is UK specific. I would be surprised if other Western Nation was not using something similar. I dont have a Thai Pink ID, Neither do I have a Thai TIN and I also will not be filing a tax return as my understanding is that I have no need to file a tax return, due to my remitted income being exempt Thai taxation bynway of DTA. I was merely pointing out, that from a tax evasion / avoidance point of view, this makes sense. Not that I am saying that the article is correct, only that it makes sense from a tax evasion / avoidance angle.

For years, before Robinson started making a noise about in in 2009.

You're probably correct. Mostly because the descendants hadn't even been born. Really ? You think people should be held responsible and accountable for actions carried out by their fathers and grandfathers ?

The Tories ? Here is just 1 case that was reported to the Police in 2003.. I will say that again 2003. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8rxp6jv77xo Taken from the The Executive Summary of Professor Alexis Jay That would include members of the Police, members of Labour run Councils and members of the Labour Party, including a former DPP who is now the Prime Minister.

No, I meant the lunatics that do not believe that there was a Labour cover up, some of them posting on this thread. The criminals are the ones who ignored the Children and their parents. I wont bother listing them, I believe both the Jay Report and Maggie Oliver have both provided extensive lists, that carry far more weight than I do.

Of course it is https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jan/02/uk-factory-output-falls-at-fastest-rate-since-february-amid-tax-rise-fears Time to open your eyes and face reality.

That misery will not start until April, for the reasons that I highlighted above. But in the 6 months months that Labour have been in power, GDP growth has went to zero and probably negative. Not bad going considering GDP growth Q1 & 2 was 1.2%

I didn't say it was either right or wrong, I simply said it made more sense, to me, at least.

This actually makes sense. It is what I thought at the the time of the initial announcements. Doesn't make any sense to have people doing their own thing, certainly with monies that are moving across borders and trying to stamp out tax evasion / avoidance.