The Cyclist

CEA in the Forces has been under scrutiny for a long time. Even more so today, as overseas postings are getting fewer and fewer. The case for CEA is not helped when Major Generals are jailed for fraudulently claiming it. https://www.forcesnews.com/news/senior-army-officer-jailed-falsely-claiming-school-fee-allowances The most senior person caught, there are many others. This is nothing to do with the VAT raid. And more to do with having to hands in their own pockets.

Section 38 of the Revenue Code The actual wording is https://www.rd.go.th/english/37749.html What I take that to mean is 1. An Individual decides if he exceeds the thresholds for tax filing, and files accordingly 2. An member of the RD will then apply ( with an individuals input ) what TEDA's apply and how much, if any, tax is owed.

That would also be my understanding. The issue has been muddied by the throwing about of ' Null Tax Returns ' The TRD do not recieve millions of " Null Returns ". They recieve tax returns that exceed the 60k / 120k / 220k limits and with the subsequent application of TEDA's no tax is payable. For those that remit income from overseas there really is only one consideration to make. Which is * Exempt from Thai taxation by way af a DTA, no need to file anything. * Not exempt from Thai taxation by way of DTA, You need to file if it exceeds the 60k / 120k / 220k limits. There is also a paragraph in the Revenue Code, which states, words to the effect " Allowances and deductions will be made by an Assessment Officer " which I take to mean a member of the Revenue Department where you file yor tax return. If I get time later I will dig the actual paragraph.

It will be so bad that the Guardian is offering its staff free councelling 😀😀 This would be funny, if it wasn't so tragic and a shocking state of affairs.

Typo Should read coming into effect 01 Jan 2024

No, not lucky. Never contacted me either. I put it down to only coming into effect from 01 Jan 2023.

Get off the fence and mind the splinters and say what you really mean 😀😀 The Tottenham Turnip is the epitome of why the UK is goosed.

I dont think I am. The Revenue code is very clear. Whether it is arbitrary numbers picked out the sky, is of no consequence. These are the figures laid out in the Revenue Code ( Thai Tax Law ) Earnings above these thresholds ( you are aupposed ) to file a tax return. 120,000 baht for an individual 220,000 for a couple ( If filing jointly ) No mention of TEDA's or any other freebies alongside these figures. I believe that you are confusing the limits for tax filing ( 120 & 220k ) with a certainty that someone will have a tax liability. For all the foreigners ( Tax Resident in Thailand but remitting income from overseas ) The Revenue Code is a red herring. The relevant DTA applies to them. If they are remitting income that is not specifically excluded from Thai taxation, then a combination of what is stated in various DTA's and the Revenue Code would apply. You do understand the concept of filing a Tax Return, but do not necessarily have any Tax Liability ? I should not have to remind you at this stage. That this is about reporting overseas income remitted to Thailand by Tax Residents in Thailand, or why it has come about. Collecting tax from foreigners who are tax resident is a by-product of why it is happening. And I still happen to believe that in the spirit of what a DTA is for, If the money that is remitted has already been taxed in the home Country it will not be taxed again in Thailand. But we will have to wait out on that one.

Also coming back at you with respect. * The UK' - Thai DTA states that Government Pensions are only taxable in the UK. * Any other forms of Income, that comes across as might, could, or possible be taxed elsewhere, or is even not mentioned. Is the very reason that I suggest people should should go their RD Office, armed with relevant paperwork and let the RD direct you as to whether you need to file a tax return, how to apply DETA's, and how much, if anything, you may have to pay in tax. If that income exceeds * 120,000 Baht for a single person * 220,000 Baht for a couple who file jointly. I cannot say that I have read the Canada - Thai DTA, but if you have a specific question, I would certainly dig into it and give you my opinion on a route that you might care to go down.

Just to be crystal clear, I cannot and will not give tax advice to others. So this is what I will be doing. I remit over 1 million Baht a year from my Government Pension. I will not be filing a tax return for this remittance ( As it can only be taxed in the UK as per the UK - Thai DTA ) If I was also emitting 600,000 Baht a year from the UK State pension. I would ( Try and ) file a tax return on this pension ( As it is potentially taxable in Thailand according to the same DTA ) I will let the RD Office decide if this State Pension requires a tax filing, what my TEDA's are, and what tax if any I am required to pay. The same would apply to your example of 300,000 The filing limits are 120,000 for an individual and 220,000 baht for a couple. So I would be attempting to file and take direction from the RD Office.

Then let them crack on. If someone who is a tax resident, and after nearly 18 months of breaking the internet, cannot work out if they are required to file a tax return or not, there is not really much hope for them. * Exempt by A DTA no need to file anything. * Potentially taxable in Thailand. Waste 30 minutes of your life and get the RD Office to put you on the straight and narrow.

The issue being discussed was the Thai work force That is why I gave you the earning thresholds from the RD * 120,000 Baht for an individual * 220,000 Baht for a couple filing jointly. Foreigners who are tax residents ( But not earning income in Thailand ) abide by the relevant DTA. * if they remit income that is exempt Thai taxation, they do not need to file anything. * If they remit other income that is not specifically excluded from Thai taxation by the DTA, then they abide by the Revenue code. And file a tax return as even a basic UK State Pension exceeds the limits given in the revenue code. Keep copies and let the RD Office tell you that there is no need to file or no tax to pay.

See post above, forget allowances, zero rated bands and anything else. This is why you are getting confused.

Nothing to do with " Nil Returns " Because the Revenue Code dictate that Thais ( and foreigners working in Thailand ) require to file a tax return if they earn over * 120,000 Baht annually * 220,000 Baht annually if it is a joint filing. Simple and straight forward. Now apply TEDA's, and you might have no tax liability. It's nothing to do with a " Nil Returns " the levels for filing are clear and simple, either 120,000 or 220,000 baht, you file. a tax return.

Was that docu from the 70's ? Todays estimates are anywhere between £5 million to £30 milion a day. The true figure will never be revealed, as it is apparently not in the public interest. Give it 6 months for things to work through the system and * Unemployment starts rising * Inflation starts rising * Over 1000 new arrivals continue to arrive on a weekly basis * Power Companies are already sending out ' What to do in a blackout ' leaflets * The Chancellors tax raising measures do not came anywhere near raising the tax she expects You can probably guess the rest.

Like this you mean ? If thousands took to the streets. Does that mean millions couldn't care less and millions more might actually agree with Trump ? A conundrum indeed.

It is possible to have both a Government Pension and a Private Pension. The joys of having a Government Pension at 40 years of age. I might also have a State Pension in 4 years time if it does not become means tested before then. Correct, Government Pension taxed at source in the UK and only Dual Nationals can / could apply for an NT tax code on a Government pension, if they return to their original Country. I could apply for an NT tax code for my Private Pension and pay tax in thailand on it. Which would probably benefit me, as it currently taxed at a straight 20% in the UK. But none of this is new, It was documented in the original tax thread last November / December.

Having looked into this for a Private Pension that currently stays in the UK and is taxed in the UK. The following is the UK procedure. * Obtain a Thai TIN. * Through a UK Tax accountant ( or similar ) apply for a NT tax code for that pension, giving the Thai TIN as to where tax will be paid on that pension. * HMRC will issue a NT tax code to the pension administrator, providing that they are satisfied that is not being done for tax avoidance / evasion reasons. Which in my case would be fairly simple. My Government pension is paid directly to my Thai bank account and the pension adminsistrator has my Thai address. Jobs a good un, if I wanted to get involved with Thai taxation and the Revenue Dept. This might be a road that I go down, once the muddy waters clear in Thailand.

You appear to be somewhat out of date https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-to-join-cptpp-by-15-december#:~:text=News story-,UK to join CPTPP by 15 December,force by 15 December 2024. And anything that prevents the backdoor re-entry to the EU is a good thing, in my book. It would have been a sound project if it had remained a Trade block, rather than a creeping, by stealth, political and monetary block.

Honest answer, I dont know. If I was also in receipt of the UK State Pension I would be filing a tax return to be on the safe side. I would rather waste 30 minutes of my life by rocking up at the RD Office, paperwork in hand, and let them tell me that there is no need to file anything.

You could be correct, but here is another 10 cents worth. International agreements ( DTA's ) trump Thai domestic tax policy / Laws ( Otherwise why bother having them ) Income that is exluded, exempt or disregarded by a DTA does not fall under the ' Revenue Code ' that makes up Thai domestic tax policy / Law, therefore the phrase " Assessable Income " in this context is meaningless. The term " Assessable Income " will certainly apply to any other income strains remitted to Thailand that are not covered by a DTA exemption, is specifically excluded or otherwise disregarded. In which case the Thai Revenue Code applies. As a way of example The UK State Pension is not covered by an exemption or exclusion. It is therefore " Assessable Income " under the Revenue Code. It should therefore be declared on a tax return, TEDA's made, and tax paid ( if any is due ) on what is left after. Income remitted from abroad into Thailand 1. DTA applies first 2. Revenue Code applies second. Caveat This may change between today and the 31 December should a further announcement be made by the powers that be that is specific to income that is cirrently detailed in DTA's as being exempt, excluded or otherwise disregarded for Thai tax purposes.

I have absolutely no intentions of going round the houses on this as their are too many variables. " Assessable income " means income that should be reported in a tax filing and Thai tax may have to be paid. Which will be very individual specific. " Non Assessable income " is income that is excluded from Thai taxation via a DTA and no TIN or tax filing is required. Yes, you are correct. In that it is up to individuals to decide whether the income they remit is " Assessable " or comes under " Not taxable in Thailand " and the only way they will determine that is by reading the DTA applicable to the individual. Personally, I have simplified things by only remitting my UK Gov Pension ( of which there are many different types ) in 2024. Bank print-out in Jan 2025, attach P60 and Statement of future payments, stick in an A4 envelope and file in a drawer, should it be needed at some time in the future. The transfer code attached to the monthly remittance should be enough to tell the BOT, the RD and anyone else interested, exactly what, and where the remittance comes from.

If they have " Assessable income " If they do not have " Assessable income " there is no need to aquire a TIN or file a tax return. Income that is excluded from Thai taxation by way of a DTA is not " Assessable income " " Assessable income " means income that may be subject to Thai tax should certain thresholds be met and and any relevant TEDA's have been applied.

Assessable income above the thresholds a tax return should be filed. The TEDA's will determine whether an individual has any tax to pay. Income excluded from Thai Tax via a DTA is not assessable income and there is no need to get a TIN or file a tax return. Hard copies of where this income comes from and any tax paid should be kept in case it is needed at some point in the future. You only require a TIN if you are going to file a tax return

Fairy nuff, although the above does not really make sense. This has been my experience for a long time.