norrona

to the OP, my wife will be going for ILR soon and she has the same documents as these, exam certificate pas and the letter from the college....the letter is just a standard template format, I believe this is enough for ILR if applying before October 13 as said above.

We hope to be able to do the premium service and get the answer on the same day, is this what you are doing or you going by post route?

Feel free to PM me with any questions or worries you have with your application and we can talk them over, 2 heads are better than one kind of thing as dealing with all of this alone can be a big strain.

Cheers

The police just happen to be the largest group of organised criminals in Thailand. I was once sitting outside a bar in south Pattaya, around midnight, when several "police" arrived, took me away to a Jomtien location, where I was told "If you own a property in Thailand you are working. Give us 50,000 Bht or you are going to jail right now" ! Not wishing to spend a night in jail I paid it, but my regard for the supposed keepers of the law in this country took a severe dive. I was also forced to sign a document that I could not read before being allowed to leave. Many may think "What a silly thing to do" but these things always occur when you are completely unable to contact any lawyer, plus you are dealing with complete power, or should I say the abuse of it.

they got me also, although it was orchestrated by a foreigner, came to the apartment I was staying in early saturday morning, located the chanotes I had in my company name, passed round my bank savings book all laughing and rubbing their hands and then in front of my father dragged me down to soi 9, was told it can all go away if I sign over the power of attorney they had prepared there for my title deeds.... total value of them was approx 5mil baht.

By this time my lawyer had arrived (the old saturday arrest trick didn't work this time) he negotiated a 'bail' of 90k baht for my release and they held my passport (not sure they have the right to do that?) they wasn't immigration police either.

I was in the cell for about 5 hours in total whilst he negotiated that bail, finally got my passport back approx 6 weeks later when they all realised I wouldn't be black mailed...

great them police in Pattaya aren't they....I won't even comment on the farang who orchestrated it all

I know when i am ready to go back to my home(pattaya) is when i have been in England for a few days(soon) ands i yearn for the good weather,miss my gf,stepson and cats,fed up of queuing for a pint of smoothflow,lack of attention by staff working in shops,see grumpy people all over the place,non english everywhere,expensive taxi rides by muslim taxi drivers,soaking wet and cold most days,massive traffic jams, u get the picture.

where are you from Bradford?

Pattaya has no traffic at all?

I reckon there's a few muslims driving baht buses, ok they are 10 baht a pop but still muslim!

You like being followed around the store then when you turn round to ask a question the assistant runs off to find the manager?

non English everywhere? so you go to Pattaya to be with the English? Imagine if the Thai's had that attitude about you in Pattaya...and let you know about it all the time, bet you wouldn't be rushing back to what you call 'home' so quickly then!

This goes well with the 'loss of face' thread....

Or it could go equally well in a thread about Farangs who can't speak Thai and misunderstand things Lost in Translation.

I'm sure the Thai woman was equally as confused as the OP.

confused?

yes I will help to look after your children for 4 days then maybe I go Bangkok then maybe not.....scooby doo seems less confused than this woman....

speak thai? they are like this with each other as far as I have seen anyway....got nothing to do with language and more to do with others having their say and pitching in with their opinions....probably because they were jealous about the 1500 baht!!!

people take their time when you are in the que behind them for one reason only.....they couldn't give a <deleted> about you waiting in line behind them....it's worldwide as far as I can tell

This goes well with the 'loss of face' thread....

Also isn't it strange that doing something that she said she would get pleasure from was spoiled by money? which leads me to think someone else gave their opinion that you are farang and have big money so why can't you pay her big money?

always been this way, I used to regularly have to handle cash in the job that I was in over there, taking 3 mil baht from one bank to another as the clients didn't trust each other-the banks 'cashier cheque' and the banks don't trust each other to recognise a swift transfer in one day.....standing down the land office with 5 mil baht in a sports bag and the owners of the land counting every single 1000 baht note to make sure it's there....keeps you on your toes!

also plenty of people got their tor-tor sam paper work this way on their dodgy cash they brought to Thailand in order to get their condo transferred into their own name....

those were the days....

Saving face in Thailand--When Thais see a farang guy with a totally skanked-out hooker and pretends like they are just a normal couple. Just so the farang guy won't lose face. That's pretty decent of them, don't you think?

Well spotted, in fact, it works both ways.

Thanks for noticing. The whole philosophy of "saving face" is really not as nefarious as many make it out to be. Simply put, it just means that one should avoid publicly offending or humiliating another unnecessarily. Wouldn't it be great if we all lived our lives like that? Well, we actually do....or we try. Back in the states, as a manager, we know that we should never chew-out our subordinates in front of others. And why not? So they don't lose face. I would think that this is a common sense sort of thing the world over.

But you still get chewed out in private,not so here.

in Thailand whatever isn't said to your face will most certainly be discussed behind your back same as in farang land....no difference at all!

Saving face in Thailand--When Thais see a farang guy with a totally skanked-out hooker and pretends like they are just a normal couple. Just so the farang guy won't lose face. That's pretty decent of them, don't you think?

What in your opinion would British people do or say if they see a Thai with a totally skanked out hooker?

Probably point and laugh. It's much more fun!

They do that in Thailand as well, not blatantly but they do it....

Saving face in Thailand--When Thais see a farang guy with a totally skanked-out hooker and pretends like they are just a normal couple. Just so the farang guy won't lose face. That's pretty decent of them, don't you think?

What in your opinion would British people do or say if they see a Thai with a totally skanked out hooker?

Wasn't there a thread just recently, asking whether all western tourist think that all Thai girls with farang guys are hookers? You get the evil eye. The shaking of the head. The look of disgust. That sort of thing.

total paranoia there but in general if it is a skanky girl from wherever for sure you are going to get looks and snide comments ....however if that skanky girl and her man are spending money or paying for a service then they will be treated as a normal couple until they leave when the snide comments or gossiping will then start in Thailand or farang land so sorry your original comparison is null and void.....try again

Saving face in Thailand--When Thais see a farang guy with a totally skanked-out hooker and pretends like they are just a normal couple. Just so the farang guy won't lose face. That's pretty decent of them, don't you think?

What in your opinion would British people do or say if they see a Thai with a totally skanked out hooker?

Why should they do or say anything, what's

it got to do with them.

Your asking prompts the question to you, would you say or do something and why ?

I wouldn't do or say anything why should I, they are not hurting me....and I don't think other people would do or say anything either....that's pretty decent of people in the UK....don't you think?

But in Thailand same as over here people might give them a second look or nudge the person they are with to see if they have seen the same sight....then later on when away from the situation it is possible it will be brought up....

Saving face in Thailand--When Thais see a farang guy with a totally skanked-out hooker and pretends like they are just a normal couple. Just so the farang guy won't lose face. That's pretty decent of them, don't you think?

What in your opinion would British people do or say if they see a Thai with a totally skanked out hooker?

Interesting that anti immigration person emigrates.

I think you will find that the majority of immigrants to the UK turn up penniless with up to 10 kids in tow plus extended families, then want housing, feeding, health care, education all at the cost to the taxpayer. In order to have a visa in Thailand you need 40k pm salray, 400k in bank account etc etc etc and will not be a burden to the Thai economy. So your comment holds no substance whatsoever

Up to 10 kids eh? Same as up to 100 kids.

I think you will find that most immigrants arrive as single people and already have a job. Just like you I don't have the facts though :-)

yes in the past some did arrive as single people, it was after they got established as that single person they then sent for the family and used their 'human rights' as the tool to get them in.....

this was in the past though, the roma gypsies arriving from Romania and Bulgaria will bring their off spring though....they already have...

the facts....well they are there to be found on google and other media outlets but it's not Thai related so what's the point?

this isn't just Thailand that it happens, I know of 2 couples where she does absolutely everything...one of my mates is a bit like Jim Royle from the Royle family comedy show. I am from the UK.

to the OP, Thailand can be even worse for people recovering from depression....too much time on your hands to mull things over and the easiness of just getting on the beer, be careful and I wish you well in your recovery

I do not understand why the owner refused to compensate or do anything at all. I do not think its a full story

Is it possible that the dog has been vaccinated and hence why owner is refusing to pay for unneeded shots?

Just rather strange response from the owner for something like 2000 baht

I dont believe its the same story as well, as from the OP the dog is almost always in the restaurant so used to having people around it. Therefore not likely to have a quick bite at the customers of the restaurant as it will ruin his restaurants business. Maybe the ''friend of the OP'' kicked the dog away to have a relaxing dinner and then it got bitten but i wasnt there so only the OP can tell us the whole story

A lot of hassle about this dog and the owner of it which as well have a restaurant.

Imo, its the dog of the restaurants owner so if the owner wants his dog to walk or lay down in his restaurant its up the owner. You as the customer can decide if you would like to eat in his establishment or not, thats your choice again

About the compensation, i was bitten even by a dog of the neighbors and i didnt even consider to ask for a compensation for the rabies shots. Sorry to say but i guess you live in Thailand for quite some time so you should now its NOT the same as back in Europe or the States where you can ask for a compensation if you are bitten by a dog of someone else.

really? so if it was your dog and you were the farang owner of it and it bit a thai national that they needed hospital treatment you would expect them to pay for it themselves and say 'mai pen rai'

I guess you live in Thailand all of 5 minutes or never venture too far from your dwelling to understand how things really work!

If it was my dog i would take up my responsibility, perhaps legally i didnt need to anything but i would try to help of course. But thats me and not how it really works inhere, maybe in your case you can call the police or hire a lawyer but to speak in your terms thats up2u

The fact how long i live inhere or what i do inhere is none of your business same its none of my business how long you are staying in Thailand, shall we try to keep on topic please ?

that's great you would be a responsible owner, I tell you how it would work there if your dog bit a local person....you'd be getting your wallet out and compensating the costs of their hospital trip at least failing that you would probably have to bury the mutt after it has died a slow death....I am on topic and it was you who said and I quote.... but i guess you live in Thailand for quite some time so you should now its NOT the same as back in Europe or the States

I do not understand why the owner refused to compensate or do anything at all. I do not think its a full story

Is it possible that the dog has been vaccinated and hence why owner is refusing to pay for unneeded shots?

Just rather strange response from the owner for something like 2000 baht

I dont believe its the same story as well, as from the OP the dog is almost always in the restaurant so used to having people around it. Therefore not likely to have a quick bite at the customers of the restaurant as it will ruin his restaurants business. Maybe the ''friend of the OP'' kicked the dog away to have a relaxing dinner and then it got bitten but i wasnt there so only the OP can tell us the whole story

A lot of hassle about this dog and the owner of it which as well have a restaurant.

Imo, its the dog of the restaurants owner so if the owner wants his dog to walk or lay down in his restaurant its up the owner. You as the customer can decide if you would like to eat in his establishment or not, thats your choice again

About the compensation, i was bitten even by a dog of the neighbors and i didnt even consider to ask for a compensation for the rabies shots. Sorry to say but i guess you live in Thailand for quite some time so you should now its NOT the same as back in Europe or the States where you can ask for a compensation if you are bitten by a dog of someone else.

really? so if it was your dog and you were the farang owner of it and it bit a thai national that they needed hospital treatment you would expect them to pay for it themselves and say 'mai pen rai'

I guess you live in Thailand all of 5 minutes or never venture too far from your dwelling to understand how things really work!

Ok, you do not hide what you have done, but you don't announce it do you?

Or do you....that may be why they are Ex's?

Fair enough not getting married, from what I gather you are involved in the bar scene in Pattaya?....wise move staying single if so

IF you mean, do i start off a conversation with what i have done? well NO, while i am open, i am certainly not retarded.

They are ex's because when i learned about their past, i was not going to even try the future.

Just as some were simply too narrow minded for me to even bother, but the main reason was/is i am too tired from work to do "extra work"

No, i am not in the bar scene, as a matter of fact, i am lucky to hit some bars once a month. I am in Hotel scene and work 16 hour days, 7 days/week:wai2:

my mistake on your profession.....I was very similar to you when I lived out there with regards to work etc, 1 day off a week and the the one women I did have living with me briefly, got jealous of my working hard and making money to benefit our future.... the last straw was when I came home late from work dead on my feet after a manic but successful day and someone had told her they'd seen me on soi 7 in a bar with another lady......

anyways back on topic....the 60 year old who thinks all thai women are on the game is nothing new and has been around for years, in my life time I doubt it will ever change

norrona, on 02 May 2013 - 20:56, said:

What's done is done, theres no changing it....it's what happens moving forward that matters....

My missus isn't silly and knows I lived and worked in Pattaya for best part of 8 years as a young single man, I think that's enough to tell her and let her work it out for herself rather than me regurgitating all I did when I was a single man and effectively ramming it down her throat....

I do not recommend to anybody to casually start talking to their wife about what they were up to previous to meeting them and vice-versa......personally I do not see what their is to gain from it, if your experience is different then please by all means share with us what went down?

You may change my view on it all

I certainly would not be having this conversation to a wife, usually these sort of conversations are had before the wedding or even before asking to marry:thumbsup:

I doff my cap to how open and honest you are about things, so how did it go down when you bared your soul to the missus before popping the question and how did she reciprocate?

You know people lie in life don't you.....in fact everybody lies

Actually i am not married and not planning to get married any time soon.

With Ex's i do not hide what i have done, but do not go into details of who, when, and how many

Ok, you do not hide what you have done, but you don't announce it do you?

Or do you....that may be why they are Ex's?

Fair enough not getting married, from what I gather you are involved in the bar scene in Pattaya?....wise move staying single if so

norrona, on 02 May 2013 - 20:56, said:

What's done is done, theres no changing it....it's what happens moving forward that matters....

My missus isn't silly and knows I lived and worked in Pattaya for best part of 8 years as a young single man, I think that's enough to tell her and let her work it out for herself rather than me regurgitating all I did when I was a single man and effectively ramming it down her throat....

I do not recommend to anybody to casually start talking to their wife about what they were up to previous to meeting them and vice-versa......personally I do not see what their is to gain from it, if your experience is different then please by all means share with us what went down?

You may change my view on it all

I certainly would not be having this conversation to a wife, usually these sort of conversations are had before the wedding or even before asking to marry:thumbsup:

you took it quite literal when I said wife....how about girlfriend/fiancee in it's place?

I doff my cap to how open and honest you are about things, so how did it go down when you bared your soul to the missus before popping the question and how did she reciprocate?

You know people lie in life don't you.....in fact everybody lies

Ok, a serious question. In reality if you met a lady who is little mature(older) how would you really know who and what she did before?

For example, i have a neighbor, Thai in her mid 40's married to a foreigner, all seems honky dory. HOWEVER

This is her 4th husband(foreigner) and she cleaned out the first 3. All neighbors know this, only the husband does not seem to have a clue.

On the surface she owns a house, has a new car, dresses well, but beneath that, she was simply a skimming hooker.

Another example, is my real estate agent in BKK(few years ago) she was in her late 30's, nice car, condo, agency.

Once as a joke i asked her to come to soi cowboy to look some shows,i guess my question was little unexpected and she replied, she has done that and

been there, worked for years before she got married.

I guess what i am trying to say is that you never really know of her past.

Or they yours.......

Who really wants to get down to the nitty gritty with their wife and discuss past conquests?

I might be crazy, but i always thought part if being married is knowing your partners past not to be surprised or shocked.

It is my past that I wouldn't want to sit there blabbing on about.... I am an ex sex tourist as I dare say are many commenting on here, you think it is healthy to sit there telling someone you love about how you trawled soi 6 pattaya or how every Sunday started off with a soapy massage?

yes it's great knowing each other and talking and sharing life experiences, but parts of the past are best left there in my opinion

I do not think it would be wise to go into details, however would be wise to mention that you did have "boom boom" with multiple lady's

Past always defines present and future.

What's done is done, theres no changing it....it's what happens moving forward that matters....

My missus isn't silly and knows I lived and worked in Pattaya for best part of 8 years as a young single man, I think that's enough to tell her and let her work it out for herself rather than me regurgitating all I did when I was a single man and effectively ramming it down her throat....

I do not recommend to anybody to casually start talking to their wife about what they were up to previous to meeting them and vice-versa......personally I do not see what their is to gain from it, if your experience is different then please by all means share with us what went down?

You may change my view on it all

Ok, a serious question. In reality if you met a lady who is little mature(older) how would you really know who and what she did before?

For example, i have a neighbor, Thai in her mid 40's married to a foreigner, all seems honky dory. HOWEVER

This is her 4th husband(foreigner) and she cleaned out the first 3. All neighbors know this, only the husband does not seem to have a clue.

On the surface she owns a house, has a new car, dresses well, but beneath that, she was simply a skimming hooker.

Another example, is my real estate agent in BKK(few years ago) she was in her late 30's, nice car, condo, agency.

Once as a joke i asked her to come to soi cowboy to look some shows,i guess my question was little unexpected and she replied, she has done that and

been there, worked for years before she got married.

I guess what i am trying to say is that you never really know of her past.

Or they yours.......

Who really wants to get down to the nitty gritty with their wife and discuss past conquests?

just asked 3 people in my UK office how they met their wives.....

1, he was on a stag party in Blackpool and she was on a hen party....they met in a club and shagged on that night, still together 35 years on!

2, childhood sweethearts married for 7 years so far

3, she is an ex stripper/lapdancer in a London club, married 9 years

Me I met my wife online, been married 2 1/2 years, never been asked directly by anyone back here if she was a hooker and to be honest I couldn't care less what they think or say.

I see women these days in my area where I grew up in UK who are married with kids and settled but back in the day some of them were known as the local bikes and were up for multiple sex partners, down alley ways you name it they were at it....does anyone remind them of their past and what they got up to....make a big deal out of it?

However it is natural for others to look for imperfections in ones relationship....you will find lot's of people out there offering a shoulder to cry on and happy to talk about others problems or situations as it makes them feel better about their own hang ups...

example 'that blokes got a thai mail order bride ha ha ha......that might be true mate but your missus used to be known as anal alison round this way and before you was shagging your best mate's'

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