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Have any people turned up at Muang Thong yet?

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100,000?

I saw some reds getting their piccies taken at Ratchprasong earlier...what were they doing there?

What has organizing a drug suppression meeting with a police general have to do with being the Minister of Labour.

 

Umm...maybe the sharing of profits (from drug re-sales)???

 

It's karma for getting his son free after he blew a guys head off.

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This issue may be the downfall of the Thaksin proxy government, they want the anti-amnesty protestors off the street before the verdict, as it has the potential to explode into a large scale anti-government protest too popular and disruptive for them to control.  Thaksin and his proxy governments have a long political history with this emotive issue.

 

"Following military skirmishes along the Thai-Cambodian border, Cambodia asked the court in 2011 to interpret the previous judgement and to make clear the vicinity of the temple. However, the border dispute became the centre of a political dispute as opposition and conservative groups accused the government under the Thaksin Shinawatra camp of making a deal with Phnom Penh over the temple, for personal interests."

 

Thaksin's involvement began in 2001......."In 2001, officials from both nations signed a Memorandum of Understanding regarding the joint development of the 26,000-kilometre area, believed to be rich in oil and gas.  The potential for a windfall is tantalising for both countries, not to mention the companies holding concessions for the extraction, which won’t start until 2016." http://www.phnompenhpost.com/national/cambodia-thailand-eye-overlapping-claims-area

 

Then in 2006 rumour has it Thaksin did a deal with Hun Sen to divide the Gulf of Thailand resourses between Thailand and Cambodia, with him and Hun Sen holding the concessions.... 

 

"CAMBODIA and Thailand were nearing a resolution over the disputed oil blocks in the Gulf of Thailand just as Thaksin Shinawatra was ousted from office in 2006, a US embassy cable revealed yesterday.......“He said they had agreed on a formula for dividing the revenue: 80% for Thailand and 20% for Cambodia in the tier nearest Thailand, 50%-50% in the middle and 20% for Thailand and 80% for Cambodia in the area closest to Cambodia,”.http://www.phnompenhpost.com/national/thaksin-oil-deal-interrupted

 

Sounds like a fair and equitable deal, but in reality the Thai tier is described as.........."not significant enough to make exploitation of that block alone profitable”. While the Cambodian tier is described as..........“one of the best areas for exploration in the world” and it could “revolutionise Cambodia."

 

But why would Hun Sen want to give Thaksin a share of his pie?  Rumours that Thaksin had sold out Prea Vihear for oils and gas concessions gained momentum when he became economic advisor to the Cambodian government.....

 

.......Three years later, the MoU was shelved by then-Thai Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva, after Shinawatra was named an economic adviser to the Kingdom.

 

Then, "In 2008, Cambodia proposed its intention to apply for the inscription of the Preah Vihear in the UNESCO World Heritage site list...... The application sent by Cambodia referred to an adjacent land to the temple under Cambodia’s jurisdiction which was actually Thailand’s territory. The Thai opposition party protested on this plan and argued that Cambodia had the ownership rights only over the temple and not the adjacent territory.......... There was  widespread dissatisfaction with the (PPP) government when the then- Foreign Minister of Thailand Noppodon Pattama signed a communiqué with Cambodia accepting the proposal to UNESCO in 2008 (The Constitutional Court, 2008). The oppositions claimed that Noppodon and the then-Prime Minister Sumak had business concessions with the Cambodians due to which they sacrificed the nation’s sovereignty and prestige. "  http://www.ipcs.org/special-report/southeast-asia/the-dispute-over-prea-vihear-seen-problems-unseen-stakes-129.html

 

So after 13 years of political involvement and concessions by Thaksin and his proxy government in the Prea Vihear affair, they then have the gall to say......

 

"Surapong,.....urged Thais not to politicise the Preah Vihear issue.  "Please don't use it to fuel anti-government sentiment," he said.....He added that the government had fought in the national interest of the country over the case and denied rumours that the administration's close ties with Cambodia were paving for way for their collusion on the issue.....Surapong blamed the previous Democrat government for Cambodia's decision to revive the Preah Vihear issue at the ICJ."

 

This is what has Thaksin running scared, protestors on the street when the ICJ hands down a verdict that casts him in a poor light.

 

Thank you, that was really clear!

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Why most people don't see is beyond me!

After180 days, can not the bill re-enacted or modified to some extent due to: POPULAR DEMAND?

The bandwagon has already been set rolling in the provinces.

Many voters are not like you guys who are neither blind nor deaf. Many out there are blind but NOT deaf. Most propaganda statements target them and not you!

Except Thaksin has lost a lot of his base and love. Plus he's not paying the red sheeple as much as he used to. The bills for his palace in Dubai are really dear!

Too little, too late. PTP you had your chance to be open in your 'reconciliation' efforts. Instead, you sneaky sneaked this bill through thinking you could bamboozle the people again. All I can say is:

SOM NAM NA!!!!

Rallies planned in different parts of nation to counter anti-amnesty move

It would seem the reds have already been holding meetings around the country to drum up support for their anti-anti amnesty bill group'

The attached photo which was posted on facebook is of a meeting held in Nan yesterday.

I leave it up to each of you to gage its success.

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Gotta pay the reds to show up!

No money, no honey!!!

Wo were there any marches today? Where are most protestors located? How many are there?

It can be really hard finding answers to the most basic questions sometimes.

Well they've certainly gained my trust now! Not!

Don't *** with the mafia!

"Mr Suranand said the prime minister would refrain from travelling abroad, given Monday’s verdict of the International Court of Justice on the Preah Vihear temple dispute."

Well that is real good of her.. Save the shopping trip until Tuesday.

Not like the country is experiencing any issues at the moment !!!

That new Gucci purse from London will just have to wait another day. Sigh...

Nice hat that one witchy lady is wearing. Indicative of the type of government the red shirt wasteoids want in place.

Well to be fair to them at all whistle concerts I went to the protesters were shouting government get out ........ not amnesty bill get out. So it seems public anger is more than just the amnesty bill.

I can confirm this statement, at least at two protests I witnessed. I hear a lot of "Awk Bai!".

I'm not complaining!

This is just the same story repeated over and over again just a different title, bored seeing this now.

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Keeps us coming back for more though.

The government has unleashed the Kraken. Are they ready to fight it?

A true sign of reconciliation.

Well, if the Dems don't want to consider an amnesty, don't want to sit at the reconciliation table, make the people go back to the streets like in the old days, and continue their destructive fight... why should the PT not do the same?

If the Dems want to play games there must be two players

Well, if the Pheu Thai led government under guidance of the golf caddy wants to force a 'blanket amnesty' bill on people, than obviously the Democrats are to be blamed.

Let's continue the blame game and the fight.

We enjoyed years and years of (destructive) fun, reconciliation seems to be an impossible option for one side, so, let's enjoy some more years of the same fun. It seems to suit quite well the revenge needs of many. So be it

But don't blame PT for joining the fight then.

It's not like in the bible where we are told to offer our second cheek when we were slapped on the first (or something like that, sorry I am not very much into religion things )

I love to see the reaction of you guys on here. The Dems play dirty games and you all agree and consider them as saints. The PT fights back and you cry foul. Funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTyAZTvLfAM

I use the video downloader professional Chrome extension. It's free. Youtube is getting tricky now to download, so this one opens the vide in a popup window and then you can download it. Works ok for me every time!

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yep.. got that.. i was taking the General at his word to show yet another liar within this government. There is actually NO THAI LAW stopping Thaksin from returning to Thailand tomorro if he wanted.. But being an egocentric, power crazed individual he will not because that means doing his time or at the very least arranging bail. if at all that's possible after 5 years... The strangest thing is he would have been out by now if he would have actually served his time. And that was'nt likely at the time.

As well, as long as he doesn't come back to face his crime he has the possibility to get back his corrupt booty of 46 billion Baht plus interest.

If your dear brother gave up politics, like he promised his wife, then all of this would not have happened. Who instigated the coup: your brother. Who financed the red shirts in 2010 and tried to overthrow the government: your brother. Who needs to walk away and stop meddling with Thailand's politics: your brother. Who keeps stirs it all up?

Very constructive...

Its not with people like you that a solution will ever be found, that's for sure.

A solution requires the people to start behaving like adults and come up with wiser comments.

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You would prefer people be quiet and smile as Shinaland (or Thaksinland) is put into place brick by brick? When people stop commenting, we are doomed. People were once being put in ovens because nobody wanted to get involved.

Yingluck and her advisers, the so called Ice Cream Gang (read political geniuses) thought that they could do "it" without outspoken Chalerm. Sneaky Yingluck and her team's strategy was fairly obvious; Just Do It without talking too much. Now that Yingluck's game isn't working as planned, heavyweight Chalerm is back into the picture with of course a much better plan that certainly can be realized within 2 months... Remember that Chalerm said earlier this year that the public could behead him if Thaksin is not back before the end of the year.

Yingluck's Ice Cream gang

I love the ice cream gang! Especially because this pic pissed chalermy off so much!

Can this government get any more suicidal?

Urging the opposition to petition the International criminal court might just backfire on them.

This gets crazier by the day.

As for suicidal government:

Forbes Magazine has just published a long analysis on 'Why Thailand's Bubble Economy is heading for a 1997-type Crash':

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jessecolombo/2013/11/04/thailands-bubble-economy-is-heading-for-a-1997-style-crash/

I'm not usually a Forbes reader, but this might merit it's own topic?

Here's a snippet:

This temple thing is doing a great job for those in power in both countries.

It is taking attention away from the real prize, the marine boundary where there is all that lovely oil and gas.

I've heard that before. Can you explain it please?

For some reason, there will be an increase in home burglaries after this launch!

the last people I want keeping an eye on my house is the police!