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15 hours ago, White Christmas13 said:

But from Boris?

When Boris has lied about weapons of mass destruction to try and justify involving the UK in an illegal war in which more than 150,000 people died, a million were displaced and which gave rise to ISIS, get back to us.

It might finally be time for a General Election to sort out this mess. Let's purge all of those Remain MP's in Leave areas that think their opinion is more important than those of the people that elected them.

I suggest the Brexit party stands in any seats that voted Leave but have Remain backing MP's. Get shot of these individuals first. Let them get a real job if they can't represent the wishes of their electorate. In other seats the Brexit party should stand aside to avoid splitting the Leave vote between Tories and The Brexit Party. Sort out the current shower of sheeite in Parliament and then we can Leave properly. Hopefully the likes of Hammond, May, Grieve etc. will lose their seats and disappear into obscurity.

9 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Absolutely no one in parliament has said that they wouldn't respect the confirmatory vote, whatever the outcome. Evidence please.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/23/lib-dem-leader-jo-swinson-says-would-vote-against-brexit-even/

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

And in a years time we will be exactly back where we are now.

The Brexiteers promised unicorns and rainbows.

The Brexiteers have utterly failed to produce the unicorns and rainbows.

So the referendum result is null and void.

Nonsense. Only Remainers talk of unicorns and rainbows. Leavers simply want to leave the EU, ideally with a good deal or otherwise with No Deal at all.

The shameful anti Democrats have been scheming since 2016 to overturn the democratic vote. Now as soon as Leavers are forced to resort to similar tactics they cry like babies. Like a child that slaps their sibling, gets slapped back and then goes crying to Mummy. 

Thankfully Leavers have Dominic Cummings on their side, so now the gloves are off and the Leave camp are being reluctantly dragged down into the gutter to fight with Remain, Remain will lose, we will leave and faith in Democracy will be partially restored, although still tarnished by shameful Remainer behaviour since 2016. 

These anti-democratic Remainers are going too far now. Voting against a Deal and now making No Deal illegal. 

All this nonsense about blocking No Deal is really just a euphemism for stopping Brexit altogether. They cannot accept losing the referendum. Shameful behaviour. 

Sounds like it was a trust issue. Whether you have 100% proof or not, if you cant trust them then they have to go.

It appears her lie about not contacting someone who she had in fact contacted was enough to lose that trust. Harsh? Maybe, maybe not but politics at that level is a brutal business and she would have known that when she got into it.

39 minutes ago, tebee said:

Like I said it's not that we don't respect democracy, it's that we define it differently.

 

You rely on  one vote at one instance of time as the foundation for your definition of democracy. I and the rest of my tribe prefer to think of it as an ongoing thing, which should change and develop  as time progresses and our knowledge and understanding of things develop.

 

You decide to buy a house - do you still buy it when the survey shows it is built on a swamp with a rotting wooden foundation ?  

We are not buying a house we are leaving one. 

And yes, we know its rotten because we lived in it for decades.

This <deleted> did the same thing during the cash for questions scandal. 

Seems remoaners have no sense of irony or hypocrisy.

14 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

He is Dominic Cummings not Boris the buffoon. Cummings has never been a member of a political party and has always prostituted himself by working for whoever will pay him a wage. Also speaks Russian and is a fan of all things Russia.

Smart people surround themselves with smarter people.

Boris Johnson hiring Cummings shows that Johnson is no fool. The pair of them are running rings around the Remainers and their strategy to overturn the democratic vote.

Moggy dropped the mic.

Years of underhand conniving from Remoaners has finally driven Leavers to take the gloves off. 

Rees Mogg, Dominic Cummins et al. will be formidable opponents now they know "the rules".

Bring it on. May Democracy win.

2 hours ago, stephenterry said:

Yes, it is about time opposition to a no-deal by MPs is coordinated to prevent it happening. Currently, there's so much infighting amongst MPs who are (as usual) failing to get their act together, that Johnson is having a free ride to his eventual downfall - and unfortunately, also the UK.

 

IMO, this provocative anti-constitutional act by Johnson could be enough to see him off after a no-confidence vote is passed during September, after parliament  - as is their constitutional democratic right - has taken over HoC business and issued a new law to prevent a no-deal.

 

However, hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Batten down the hatches as it's going to be a long painful ride for sterling, whatever happens. 

 

Forecast: an exchange drop to around 32 baht to the pound up to October 31st - and falling under 30 baht if we crash out with a no-deal??

 

It was perfectly constitutional. Proroguing Parliament happens every year or two and was long overdue since the current session has gone on for 3 years already. If Parliamentarians were that worried about losing time they could have cancelled their multiple week recess that they are currently enjoying, but they probably had nice holidays booked. Now they're wining like babies about losing 4 days (once you allow for the conference recess). 

3 hours ago, Mavideol said:

easy to blame the EU for the UK mistakes, please refresh our memories and tell us who asked to quit .... like in any business deal, prior to decide leaving/quitting one should assess the risks and live up to their prior obligations, in other words check the Pros and Cons before making any drastic decisions, once they do and the final decision is made, they should not start blaming the other side for the mistakes or bad decisions they made.... I remember when my kids were very young and one of them did something wrong he/she always blamed the other one that's the easy way out, much easier than to assume one's own mistakes, this has been said over and over but decided to say it one more time as it appears Nobody Is Listening 

1. I don't see any mistake. The mistake was staying this long, we're getting out just in time.

2. We are Leaving not quitting.

3. The fact that the EU is trying to extort 39 Billion from us because we are leaving is not a failing of the UK but an increasing typical vindictive reaction from a failing protectionist racket that is becoming desperate for cash to fill the gap that UK contributions will leave.

They don't decide how much we pay them any more than a husband decides how much his wife needs to pay him before she can leave the family home. If an agreement cannot be reached between BOTH parties then the courts can settle it. I'm happy with that.

43 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Ah, another dose of reality for johnson. 

Here's a dose of reality for moscovici. He doesn't get to decide what the UK pays.

If we dispute the amount then it will go to the International courts to decide. moscovici should pipe down.

2 minutes ago, sirineou said:

 You guys should not had let her do the negotiations all on her own. You should have had, forensic accountants, lawyers, prime minister of foreign affairs, etc etc.

Letting a woman negotiate money, all on her own?

What nonsense!!

 

Nothing to do with her being a woman. Everything to do with her being a duplicitous, useless waste of space. A career politician who has been immersed in the Westminster bubble her whole life and has no clue how the real world works. 

35 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

May be a second vote would be the best ... but before oct.31 .

No point, waste of time, kicking the can again.

Why? Remainers already stated they would continue to vote against Brexit even if they lost again.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/23/lib-dem-leader-jo-swinson-says-would-vote-against-brexit-even/

3 minutes ago, sirineou said:

 If the above is correct, then why wasn't it brought up during the negotiations for the "divorce bill" ???  Why was the bill agreed too? was the bill agreement contingent to a deal acceptable to the UK? 

What nonsense. 

The whole negotiation was a joke, a farce.

The Remainer Theresa May agreeing to the amount of 39 Billion before she knew what she was getting for the money. The equivalent of going to a second hand car showroom and agreeing the price with Arthur Daley before you've even seen what cars he has on the showroom floor. Utterly ridiculous. What a clown.

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Off you go then.

 

But a bit of advice before you do, don’t rely on anything Johnson said as evidence of the UK’s obligations, he’s not known as a reliable, let alone informed source.

 

He is however rather good on misinformed jingoism. 

 

 

It was the government's lawyers that calculated 7-9 Billion. Which is actually very close to the figure I estimated about 6 months ago. That's before we account for any EU assets the UK might have claim to.

EU Economics Commissioner sides with the EU in debate over EU economics. I'm shocked.

I say we let this go to international arbitration. As terryw said, the UK could well have a legitimate claim to a lot of EU assets that it helped fund over the years. 39 Billion is just an arbitrary number that Remainer May and Barnier dreamt up over dinner a couple of years ago and bears no relation to reality i.e. the amount legally owed in either direction.

We've seen that the EU is incapable of sensible negotiation so let the courts decide.

Given how odious these 2 politicians are, I'm surprised they don't get on a bit better.

39 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Unless the plans meet the standards the govt of Eire feels is required to protect the Good Friday Agreement, then phased won’t do it. 

 

The backstop is good to go now. 

No, it's not good to go. 

Parliament rejected it 3 times. It's good to go down in history as a poor attempt at a trap that was seen as such and therefore thrown out.

8 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I sense a bit of anger or is it jealousy.

Exactly. Some of these Europhiles are starting to look like a soon to be divorced wife who just found out that her husband is getting a lot of interest from better looking women. 

Not a good look.