JonnyF

13 minutes ago, edwinchester said:

Not a coward at all. He's stated all along he does not want to leave the EU without a deal. If he agrees an election in a few weeks the Tories can force through a no deal on Oct 31st so first he's gained support for not leaving without a deal. Once that is in place bring on the election. It's coming sooner rather than later anyway now that BJ has nowhere near a Commons majority.

He is the epitome of a coward. He's actually a Eurosceptic but he lacks the courage of his convictions to lead the party according to his own long held beliefs, instead allowing himself to be bullied by the likes of Europhile Keir Starmer.

He doesn't even have the courage or the ability to demand his party (the opposition!!) vote for an election. Yes that's right, the opposition do not want an election so that they might govern. Stranger than fiction. Why? Because the electorate would hammer them and rightly so. Remainers finally get the vote they say they wanted and they bottle it. 

Corbyn is a pathetic man in a pathetic parliament. You may dislike Johnson, but at least he has a pair, as the last couple of days has shown.

Block the Deal, Block No Deal, Block an Election. Stalemate. What an embarrassment to the country these MP's are. Brexit is inevitable and I am prepared to wait for it, but I feel sorry for people who will feel the economical effects of these Remainer games, keeping the country in limbo because they cannot accept the result of a democratic vote.

I think he's losing his grip on reality. Flying around the world on a private jet, telling the taxpayers that fund his incredibly extravagant lifestyle to stop flying so much. But it's all OK because him or his wealthy friends chuck a few quid at a carbon charity. 

Shameful stuff.

Corbyn gets offered an election and turns it down ????

What an unelectable shower of sheite that man is. Shows the hypocrisy of the Remainers who have been crying out for a vote but deep down know they would lose. And they were claiming Leavers were scared of  a vote.

Looks like another delay is on the cards unless the Lords filibuster for a week or Johnson ignores this new law. I guess their latest stroke of genius is to pray that Brexiteers give up and forget about it, top plan ????????

9 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

No. What we're seeing now, is protecting Britain from a no-deal. 

No, we're seeing people who cannot accept losing.

I remember coming to Thailand over a decade ago and seeing all the political trouble here, yellow vs red etc. and commenting to my gf how Thai democracy needed to mature and people needed to learn to accept the result of the democratic vote and accept when they lost, like they do in the UK.

Seems we've regressed.

13 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

But it is only round one with the people versus Cummings/JRM/Johnson etc.

That's a new one on me. ????

I saw the BBC trying to spin it as Parliament vs. the government, but never the people vs. the government.

In reality this is Parliament vs. the people.

1 hour ago, PumpuiJomtien said:

Just another angle on where these bikes are made. Unless made in Thailand in a real sense, they would be slapped with a tariff if 100% and up. So couldn’t possibly have those prices. Kawa makes a 250 single retro style priced at 250,000 baht. The Ryuku 250 retro is 69,000. The Kawasaki dealer told me the 250 is imported, hence the over-the-top price. The Thai-made W800, which I own, comes in at about 370,000. That’s a 750cc retro twin. 

Import taxes on new motorcycles from Japan are very low now (it reduced year on year and may actually be zero now I'd have to check). Plus the Baht is very strong. Of course, dealers like to keep prices high and often blame it on import taxes or other spurious reasons. With an (imported) MT07 under 300K there is no reason a W250 should be 250,000 Baht, it's a little over half that in the US.

Sales people often talk a load of rubbish (in every country but particularly in Thailand). I remember Honda sales people were blaming the government for not allowing unrestricted litre bikes in Thailand, despite the fact all the other manufacturers were offering them unrestricted.

Just now, brewsterbudgen said:

Of course; why wouldn't they? Had Leave lost, they wouldn't have given up fighting for what they believe in.

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Not true. 

As a Leaver I accept the result of all Democratic votes. Many times I voted for a party that did not win. I accepted it. That is how Democracy works. 

What you are seeing now is the result of people not respecting the vote. People who cannot accept they lost. And it isn't pretty.

1 minute ago, Denim said:

Idiots. The only thing they can agree on is not to agree on anything at all.

 

Someone should pass a motion :

 

All MP's pay and allowances should be suspended until they can come to an agreement on something .......anything.

Absolutely.

Vote against a deal.

Rule out No Deal.

And now the opposition are about to vote against a general election. Yes, the opposition do not want an election.

You couldn't make it up. Shameful stuff.

23 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

Farage said that a 52/48 win would be unfinished business when he thought remain would win. Changed his mind after Leave won by that margin, calling it a magnificent victory.

 

Farage wanted a deal before the referendum, now wants no deal.

 

Boris voted against May's deal at first, then changed his mind and voted for it.

 

They are allowed to change their minds, but we, the people, are not!

 

That is the Brexiteer version of democracy!

Congratulations, you have taken the point I was making (Why is it OK for Remainers to change their mind but not OK for Farage?) and flipped it to make exactly the same point, in reverse (Why is it OK for Farage to change his mind but not OK for Remainers).

Well done. Good to see such ingenuity, someone thinking outside the box  ???? 

2 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

It will be rejected until "no deal" is off the table, parliamentarians will not give Johnson the opportunity to game the system and engineer a "no deal" Brexit. Then there will be a GE.

 

 

 

You mean, "engineer" a No Deal Brexit by getting a massive majority for a No Deal Brexit from the electorate? 

You wanted a vote, and now you're admitting you'd get hammered in a General Election by a Pro Leave party ????. I'd say your democratic mask is slipping, except it's already dropped to the floor.

17 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

 

 They certainly are and that is why brexiteers are so opposed to any new vote by the people on brexit. 

I'm all for a General Election, but Parliament will block it because they know most of them would be kicked out by the people they pretend to represent.

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You’ve made enough posts on the matter of Brexit to reveal it does matter to you, direct effect or not.

If Brexit were cancelled, that would matter to me since I believe in Democracy and that democratic votes should be upheld, especially when backed up by manifestos, general elections and legislation. However it is abundantly clear that Brexit is inevitable, it's just a matter of time.

All the Remainers can do is delay it which has no effect on me whatsoever. If they want to continue bringing their money over at 37 Baht to the pound (or more likely lower) for the next 3-5 years then keep cheering on the can kicking as if it's some kind of victory ????????. 

3 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

If we have an election after October 31st, highly likely, and we haven't left the EU, increasingly likely, Faerage has vowed to contest every seat. It's been shown in previous elections that Brexit/UKIP primarily takes votes from the Tories. Given the above scenario, this would be even more true in an upcoming election. This will split the Tory vote asunder and could possibly leave them as the 3rd party.

Absolute nonsense once again ????. Farage said yesterday he will stand aside for a No Deal. This is about as valid as your claim that Remainers would respect the result of a second referendum if they lost, which I also proved to be a complete lie with direct quotes from the leader of the Lib Dems. You really should try sticking to the truth. Please see below.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1173241/Brexit-news-Nigel-Farage-Brexit-Party-Boris-Johnson-general-election-no-deal-latest

17 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

Where you crying as you wrote that? I thought Brexit was about “taking back control” by Parliament? Now it seems to be about tinpot dictators shutting down parliament to deny elected representatives a say? Labour not falling into a trap that would enable Johnson to engineer “no deal” ... Johnson looking increasingly rattled now that he is getting some push back. He looks increasingly like a loser ... a fitting end to his career as a political chancer.

Why would I be crying? It has no direct effect on me as I live in Thailand and earn in Baht and have done for over 12 years. 

I suggest you enjoy your gloating while it lasts though. Brexit will happen in the end, if Remainers want to drag this process on for another couple of years then they can accept the consequences for that but it won't change anything, there is no way this genie is going back into the bottle. You can force delay upon delay, there will be a General Election sooner or later. Revoke? Get ready for Farage, he isn't going anywhere either.

You can only ignore the wishes of the people for so long. If you wish to harm the country by putting it on hold for another 2-3 years while Parliament embarrasses itself then feel free, it won't change the result in the end. 

19 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

But Boris said at least a hundred times in the last weeka that he does not want a GE. Was he lying?

He doesn't want one, but when Parliament is acting against the result of the democratic referendum there is a solid case to let the people decide (again!).

Funny how all the Remainers have been crying out for a second vote, and when they get their chance they don't want it because they know they'd get smashed at the polls and you'd end up with a massive Leave majority in Parliament.

The opposition are likely to vote against a General Election so they can keep their Remain Parliament and continue to frustrate the process for another couple of years. For Remainers complaining about the pound weakness, buckle in because these games are only making it worse and embarrass the UK political system even further.

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

If it was "Not too bad", there would have been a totally different result.

After Oct 31st all this additional funding will certainly be coming from the taxpayer, time to wake up to reality.

Do you really not get it?

We don't get any net funding from the EU, we send them loads and they let us have a bit back and give the rest to prop us the likes of Hungary, Greece, Spain etc. This "additional funding" is actually our money, minus the Billions they've creamed off the top to subsidize the net beneficiaries.

Have a look at this chart showing contributors at the top vs beneficiaries at the bottom. A bit heavy at the bottom/left hand side wouldn't you say? Now imagine it without the UK.

And as for our NHS, how is the NHS in the rest of the Euro zone doing? Oh that's right, they don't have one. Good luck replacing the UK in the chart below. We'll have plenty of extra money for subsidizing OUR farmers instead of propping up the failing economies in Spain and Greece.

Sounds like a nice jolly.

While he's there, he should check out how advanced countries track suspicious "Aliens" as they take holidays around the country, what forms they have to fill in when they leave the province for 24 hours, stay at a friends house for the night etc.

12 minutes ago, david555 said:

They are getting it from the E.U.  hence the contributions , so also for a part from your contributions …, fact is they receiving help ….so be prepared to replace the help in total by your own 

We are a net contributor. Which means we pay more in than we get back. So if we "replace the help in total by our own" then we will still have money left over to spend on other things.

Capeesh?

25 minutes ago, david555 said:

Better feel sorrow for all the U.K. subsidized farmers who go loose that help , I think they need more to be sorrowed 

Where do you think the EU gets the money from to subsidize the UK farmers?

Greece?

Spain?

Poland?

Hungary?

We may as well cut out the middle man and just subsidize them ourselves.