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1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

As far as respective damage goes, it's percentage that's salient.

You should work for the EU with an attitude like that. The belief that it's OK to cause yourself great damage as long as the other side hurts a little bit more that you do. The willingness to cut off your nose to spite your face.  

Acting like a woman scorned is not a very mature, pragmatic approach to trade, is it? The EU countries who will suffer the consequences of the vindictiveness of these EU bureaucrats will not be impressed. The fact that the UK also suffers will be no consolation to those countries. And you wonder why people want out of this 'club'?

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Good, so the Koreans get to export about 4.5 billion more than they import from the UK on favourable terms.

Indeed, and we didn't even have to pay them ridiculous amounts of cash for the right to buy their stuff from them, funny that...

If the EU play their cards right, they could continue to export 69 Billion more than they import from the UK. But if they're expecting the UK to pay 39 Billion for the privilege of buying their stuff, well I think you know how that plays out.

Hopefully the EU will take it right down to the wire and Johnson pulls the plug at the last minute, leaving us with a clean Brexit on 31st October and 32 Billion of the 39 Billion available for spending on the UK taxpayers instead of propping up a failing EU model.

31 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Ultimately any talk of whether the 39 billion is agreed or not is asinine.

The EU are expecting it to be paid.

If it is not then any future trade negotiations are not going to go well. 

I couldn't give a toss what the EU are "expecting". If the EU were expecting UK negotiators to turn up naked with a begging bowl and rainbow colored Father Christmas hats on, does that mean they should do it?

And 39 Billion for what exactly? A number plucked from the sky for SFA, but even if it was for a trade deal then are they really expecting us to pay for the honour of being able to purchase their goods? They have a 69 Billion trade surplus with us, so why are we paying for the trade deal?

I'm happy to pay the 7 Billion or so that we actually owe for future projects when we leave with a clean Brexit, assuming they hand back a portion of the assets that we have paid for in the last 40 years. Then if they want a trade deal we can talk. If not, they'll have to accept that tariffs will be put on their goods and UK consumers will start buying from elsewhere. They should remember it's a lot easier to buy than to sell and we are the net buyer and they are the net seller.

If EU products rocket in price due to tariffs resulting from having no trade deal, British consumers will simply stop buying them, the EU have to remember they are not the only shop in the village. The British consumer will be buying Japanese/Korean cars, Australian/Chilean wine, South American beef etc. It won't be long before the big businesses in the EU are demanding they sort out a trade deal as Germany slips into recession and the European banks continue to falter.  

1 hour ago, brucec64 said:

Item one on agenda of eventual FTA discussions between UK and the EU after the UK crashes and burns out of the EU: Repayment of the 39 billion.
Item two: interest on the 39 billion.

Pay now or pay later. Doesn't really matter.

Sent from my SM-N950F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

Then the EU must accept tariffs on their 69 billion annual trade surplus.

39 minutes ago, eisfeld said:

It has the same engine as the Speed Twin which does have some nice poke. 97hp and 112Nm but fairly late at nearly 5k RPM. It's the "High Power" version of the engine. For a 1200cc it's not exactly amazing. Less than my Africa Twin if it had 20% more cc and that engine is just made to be durable heh. I wish the Triumph had something like 125hp and more torque down low. The weird thing for me was that the Speed Twin I tried in Thailand was really lethargic under 3k RPM while the exact same model in Germany did have oomph. Different mapping? The high humidity? No idea...

 

The Throxton looks sweet, no doubt. 70k more than the Speed Twin though. Gotta love the design to make it worth it I guess. Same price as the HD Roadster. For me the HD looks OK but not amazing.

 

Richard: have you thought about a second hand R nine-T? Or in general any of the models that you like as second hand. These bikes don't come with a lot of tech features and development is rather sloooow so you're not missing out much when taking a a few years old one if in good condition. The depreciation is bonkers.

Yeah 112nm is pretty decent though. That's about the same as the outgoing S1000RR but it makes it at half the RPM. I was just quite surprised because I'd always thought of these modern retros as being a bit showy without too much in the way of performance but this bike was really quick. Sounded good on stock pipes as well. 

18 minutes ago, bannork said:

Johnson behaving like the lout he is.

It was a joke, Macron was kidding that it looked like a footstool so Johnson put his foot on it for a millisecond before taking it off again and raising his hand to acknowledge that he was messing about. It was all very good natured, but feel free to deliberately take the photo completely out of context and insult the British PM.

I'd be looking at the Thruxton R if I was you. I was next to one at the lights on Wednesday evening and we both pulled away pretty quick (I was on my MT09) and that thing absolutely rips. Not sure of the torque figures but it must have a ton.

The looks are incredible too. Much better than in photos, the fit and finish looked superb. I'm seriously tempted.

I sincerely hope Johnson is simply pretending to try and get the WA over the line to appease the likes of Hammond in the upcoming confidence vote and to distract/placate the avalanche of Remainers plotting to stop "No Deal".

There's a lot more wrong with that surrender treaty than the backstop. I always felt the backstop issue was fabricated by the EU/Remainers (May) as a distraction from the other terrible parts of the agreement, something that could be removed at the last minute as a "concession" from the EU to the UK to get the deal done. I'm still hoping I was wrong.

Hopefully Johnson is just stringing people along with this until we have a clean exit on 31 October. We should cut all ties that day and then if they want anything approaching 39 Billion they can offer us an extraordinarily good trade deal. If he is in fact stringing everyone along, that's certainly smarter than telling everyone your real plans (like Raab did with his prorogation plan) and giving Remainers plenty of advanced warning to plot against it.

16 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

So you lose the licence if you have 48 offences!! .........what possible deterrent or effect do they think that will have........48 times ...????????????????

 

Undergo training ? Another envelope then, ok got it.

I assume it will be similar to the UK system where you get 3 points for being a bit over the speed limit, 6 points for being a lot over the speed limit and so on.

So in theory, a couple of offences could be enough for a 90 day suspension. Unless of course, they are kind enough to accept paying the fine directly to the policeman who stops you. They tend to be very considerate like that.

12 hours ago, lungbing said:

And if remain wins can we have another one?  Best of five perhaps?

No.

We keep voting until Remain finally wins one. Then we stop voting. Remainer Democracy 101.

35 minutes ago, sammieuk1 said:

At least Boris got some chocolate tart out of them????

Finally, something in return for 39 Billion.

2 hours ago, Becker said:

And when the GBP drops to 20 Baht I will say "som nam na" to all those flag waving Brexiteers who reside in Thailand. You asked for it and pretty soon you're gonna have to deal with the consequences unless the whole sh!t show is cancelled and sanity reimposed.

Some perspective please. You seem to forget that...

Some expats in Thailand earn in Baht. Some value their sovereignty above GDP%. Some are rich and don't care about forex.

Some will take a hit to escape the protectionist racket.

I do genuinely feel for guys that have been stung by the exchange rate but this is the future of the UK at stake. I mean for decades. This is about whether we are sovereign or a state of the EU like the equivalent of Texas to the USA.

6 minutes ago, Yinn said:

They argue together more= the baht go up more for UK dollar.

 

Good for thai! Not good for English.

 

Not if you're an exporter.

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

This’ll go the same way as the UK visa income requirements.

 

The xenophobes on TVF were cheering and woopying, until it occurred that so many could not themselves meet the requirements.

 

Tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of children in the UK and EU have a mix of British and other EU nationality parents. This proposal will cause real harm to families, real legal challenges and very real costs to the nation.

 

A spiteful hogwash feed for the xenophobes amongst the dwindling supporter of Brexit.

 

If implemented it would certainly result in cruel outcomes, but for the xenophobes that’s all part of the purpose.

 

 

 

Did you even read the article?

The Home Office said there would be no change to planned rules for EU citizens and their families already living in Britain by the end of October, who would still have until at least the end of December 2020 to apply to Britain’s EU Settlement Scheme.

No one eligible for settled status would be barred from re-entering Britain when free movement ends, the Home Office said.

I really don't understand how supporting an Australian style points based system can be deemed as "spiteful", "cruel" and "xenophobic". You can't argue against the real arguments so you create a Straw Man argument and attack that instead. I'm surprised you didn't call me racist as well but since I've said many times that I'd prefer a Doctor/Nurse from India/Africa than an unskilled worker from France/Germany then I guess that tag would be pushing it, even for you.

The country needs to decide what skills it needs and then attract the people to fill those roles. Irrespective of the country in the passport. If you deem that cruel and xenophobic then I'd politely suggest you are becoming somewhat hysterical. If you don't meet the criteria for staying, you cannot stay. That's how pretty much every country in the world controls their immigration including Thailand. It's been very successful in Australia which has become a vibrant multi-cultural country. But then they don't just let anyone in based on a trading relationship they signed up to 40 years ago that morphed into something else without consulting the electorate.

11 hours ago, alx123 said:

The Yamaha Mslaz is 90,000 baht and the Kawasaki W175 and the W250 are both single cylinders and way more expensive.

 

I was interested in the 150GR before, until I saw how small it is. 

 

The gentleman 200 on the other hand is absolutely an eye candy

 

 

The W175 is 86,000 Baht so a bit less than the Mslaz. It would be a better quality machine than the GPX, albeit slightly less powerful (but neither could pull the skin off a rice pudding).

The difference in purchase price would be reflected when you sell it. You might even lose more on the GPX as a lot of people wouldn't want to risk it and as I said the depreciation is pretty bad on the GPX bikes that I've seen.

For me, I'd probably risk the GPX as a second bike because it's slightly higher cc and it's cheaper but if it was a primary bike that I was going to do high mileage on and rely on daily then I'd go with the Japanese brands.

21 minutes ago, KiChakayan said:

Thread started 13 hours ago and only 15 replies. What happens to our "Pommy b....ds" friends? have they given up? Or is there an Ashes series going on somewhere?

The Ashes? Are you serious? How do you expect us to win the Ashes with all this Brexit uncertainty?

Frankly, I'm surprised the stadium isn't empty, or at the very least overrun with zombies. It certainly will be soon if we continue with this car crash, cliff edge, falling sky, scorched earth, apocalyptic, catastrophic, cataclysmic, crushing, calamitous, ruinous road to extinction that is simply inevitable if we don't hand over 39 Billion to the EU for SFA. If you don't believe me, buy The Guardian.

Anyway can't stop, I'm off to stock up my bunker with canned tuna and semi-automatic rifles. Over and out.

5 hours ago, NightSky said:

As long as I'm allowed back to live with my Thai wife when I want to I have no issues with it.

 

Although I fear that as a British tax payer even now whilst living abroad, never taken anything out and only 'put into the system',  I fear things might get much tougher if I want to take my wife to my home country to stay longer than 6 months thats if she doesn't have a degree and doesn't speak excellent English or have 65k GBP to support herself and if she has a pre existing health condition..

 

Whats your view on it?

Well, the government will stop the current policy of discriminating against people who are not from the EU.

I believe the aim is to have a merit based system (similar to Australia) based on the contribution people can make to the country and not simply letting in any dosser they like just because their passport has EU written on it.

Whether you wife meets whatever criteria are agreed I cannot say but certainly wish you the best. The system should certainly be fairer once we stop discriminating against non EU countries.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That didn't take long:

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/20/donald-tusk-rejects-boris-johnsons-bid-to-remove-the-backstop-brexit

Great news. The deal without the backstop is still a terrible deal. The 39 billion needs to lose a zero as well.

Hopefully the EU dont budge and we can leave with  No Deal.

14 minutes ago, Forethat said:

Ehh, not really. The largest import (2017) of fish comes from China (67,000 tonnes).

 

And as usual, when I refer to stats I provide you with the source (I don't think I've ever seen a remainer refer to a source other than BBC, the Guardian, Antifa or Lord Adonis)

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/742793/UK_Sea_Fisheries_Statistics_2017.pdf

I think he meant the supermarket