JonnyF

The original ruling by the London court was clearly correct, this is not a matter for the courts.

The subsequent decision by the Scottish court was obviously politically motivated and the choice of Scottish courts by the legal activists was a shrewd but extremely cynical ploy to get this decision. I'd expect nothing less from the anti democratic Remainiac Gina Miller.

The London supreme court will overturn the Scottish court next week, and rightly so. 

Remainers have already made Parliament a laughing stock and now they are making the judiciary a laughing stock. They've made getting a good deal almost impossible, and slowed down the economy with the uncertainty caused by forcing extension after extension. I wonder what they'll destroy next in their attempts to overturn the democratic will of the British people? 

7 minutes ago, tebee said:

Brexit has turned into a religion - no mater how much we assault leavers with facts, they prefer to believe in their one true god. 

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/richard-dawkins-brexit-is-now-a-religion-they-don-t-mind-if-they-destroy-the-country-1.4010159

What facts? You gave me a prediction, which is essentially an opinion. I gave you actual results (let's call them facts) from 2019 GDP. I'll give you them again in case you missed them.

https://www.sharecast.com/news/news-and-announcements--/recession-fears-ease-as-uk-gdp-beats-expectations-in-july--7003393.html

12 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

I didn't do fine since the referendum, quite the opposite. With sterling tanking over the last few years Brexit has resulted in me 'watching my pennies'.  And I expect so do many other retirees. 

 

And for god's sake, read what democracy is in relation to the UK. A bunch of leavers demanding the government and those who voted remain heed the referendum vote is hardly democratic - BECAUSE only parliament can DECIDE what's best for Britain.

First, Brexit was about the UK's future, not about how much stephenterry has to spend each month.

Secondly, Parliament voted to have the referendum and then Parliament voted to enact article 50 after Leave won the democratic vote. There was nothing wrong with the Democratic process, until MP's decided to not honor the manifestos on which they were elected to their positions, aided by a speaker who was supposed to be impartial but who sided with Remain due to his personal political beliefs.

7 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

If this had been produced by a 'bunch of renegade remainers' it would have been immediately labelled 'project fear'. But it's not! Just how scary can this get?

Not scary at all. Project Yellowsnow was produced by a Pro Remain civil service. No need to get hysterical. 

1 minute ago, wilcopops said:

It appears faced with reality Brexiteers get even more desperate and entrenched.

When Brexit finally fails, what will they do?

What reality? It's a prediction. 

Here is reality. 

https://www.sharecast.com/news/news-and-announcements--/recession-fears-ease-as-uk-gdp-beats-expectations-in-july--7003393.html

We did fine after a vote to leave, despite the doomsday predictions. We've done fine through 3 years of uncertainty caused by Remaniacs being unable to accept the result of the democratic vote. We'll do fine after we leave.

Project Fear is failing. It seems Brexiteers are smarter than you think, certainly smart enough to see through all the lies and doomsday predictions.

8 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

So for Brexiters I see two options: Maybe they are average intelligent and it takes them a little longer to understand that the politicians lied to them and promised the impossible. Or maybe they are just plain stupid and don't realize the problems, even if they are presented to them. 

Did you believe the predictions that were made about voting to leave? Not actually leaving, voting to leave. Tell the truth, did you believe them?

Because those predictions have now been proved completely wrong. We now see the reality that have proved those predictions to be factually wrong. So using your logic, the people who made them were stupid. And if you believed them you are also stupid. These are for the most part the same people predicting armageddon when we actually leave. So why should we believe them? 

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/09/brexit-is-already-changing-the-british-economy-for-the-better/

9 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

"We" being Brexiteers who fell for the propoganda of Dominic Cummings. Only the gullible fell for his "Project Fear" campaign, only the gullible still fall for it. Most of us refer to the Yellowhammer document, the Governor of the BoE, heads of industry and leading economists to judge what life will be like after a no deal Brexit. You rely on a weasly little toerag who has mugged you off big time for your "facts".

I don't rely on anything, certainly not politicians or their advisors. It's common sense that a few tariffs and checks at the border is not enough to bring a country to it's knees. If you are gullible enough to believe that rubbish that's up to you but don't complain when others dismiss it as the fear mongering that it is.

It's a big world out there, the EU isn't the only place to source things, and even if they were they are not going to stop trading with us when so many of their key industries rely on us. The only reason they are being so difficult is because they want us to give up on Brexit and Remain because we are such a big cog in their machine. Once we've left, you will see their more pragmatic side. They have enough problems, without cutting off their nose to spite their face.

10 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

The lies were primaryly disseminated by the leave campaigns, with Dominic Cummings' mantra, "If you repeat a lie often enough people will believe it." Sure worked on the gullible, living proof provided by several posters on this forum.

Doesn't seem to be working for Remainers. Most people just roll their eyes when we hear the same old nonsense about medical shortages, house price crashes blah blah blah. Nobody believes you. You were wrong about the effect of a vote to leave and you will be proved wrong when we actually leave. Project Fear is failing, get some new material.

Project Fear, Chapter 53. Written by a load of Remain civil servants who are scared of the work involved in a little change.

I went back for a couple of weeks recently.

Things I liked.

Cooler weather, in the low 20's mostly (I went back in summer)

Driving was much more relaxing, people drive quick but generally know how to drive (compared to LOS)

Seeing old mates

Pubs and pub gardens

Great cheap food

Prices, my mate's 2019 BMW330e was a tad over 1.5 Million Baht

Reasonably priced golf where you don't lose half your body weight in sweat

Long evenings

Clean air, being able to walk places without getting hit by cars, chased by dogs or choking on fumes

Things I didn't like.

Chavs everywhere

People seemed pretty miserable

Not much eye candy

I used to worry about going back, but given recent developments here I wouldn't be concerned about going back for a year or two. After that the long winter might start getting to me.

9 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

There is a world of difference between no deal (ie no specific deal) and no-deal (crashing out). Any Hard Brexiteer pushing that they are the same,well, it is difficult to think that they are that dozy to confuse the two, or even dozier to think that they can get away with deliberate confusion. But there it is.

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All talk of a deal prior to the referendum was about a trade deal.

Remainers have successfully transformed that "deal or no deal" conversation into talk about a withdrawal deal which was never discussed before the referendum, May and Barnier dreamt it up some time in early 2017 along with the joke about 39 Billion pounds for SFA.

We could never get a trade deal before we left anyway. So let's leave and then work on a trade deal, as was always the plan. The EU minds will be more focused once we've left and they realize the reality of tariffs on a 69 Billion annual trade surplus.

1 minute ago, spornb said:

I believe get out at any cost and start again, like a marriage too much fear of the unknown, the time has come to go

 

15 yrs ago, to get out of an eighteen month marriage, in an overseas country, I had to let go 90% of my world wide assets, a  very very substantial sum, many said madness, I even wondered, but today one of the best decisions of my life

 

The system is unfortunately wrong two thirds majority should be required for major constitutional changes then this mess would not happen

Yes, but the rules need to be set before the referendum, you cannot say 50/50 and then change to 2/3 after the result comes in at 52/48.

I'd certainly support a 2/3 majority for rejoining after we've left though. 

8 minutes ago, Somewhere In Time said:

SEND TWO LETTERS

 

...the ensuing theatre would be priceless.

 

SIT

I have to admit I like this option.

1. Send the first surrender letter that the cowards in Parliament forced us to send.

2. Immediately follow up with a second letter saying the first letter was just a friendly gag and is superseded by the second letter which states we do not want an extension, and therefore if they approve any extension then our MEP's will obstruct the functioning of the European Parliament in every way possible until we finally leave.

3. We can concurrently test this surrender bill in the courts whilst lobbying Poland, Hungary etc. to veto the extension, as well as instructing our own MEP's to veto the extension on Britain's behalf.

That should put the cat amongst the pigeons.