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Porthos and anchadian. Interesting. Thanks for pointing that out for a more recent T&C, with "Effective date: February 17, 2025". I note as you point out, in para-1.2 of this more recent T&C that it states "The basic qualification of the User is to be of age 12 or over but not exceeding 70 years. " That suggests I no longer qualify for a Krungsri app if para 1.2 applies to the T&C for using the Krungsri Online application. If it applies to only opening "applying" for the application then it suggests one who previously applied and obtained the app at age-70 or earlier may still be allowed to keep such. I first installed the app at age-67 (?), and I am now age-71 and I regularly use my Krungsri Exclusive card, and regularly pay bills via both the PC-based-internet browser based Krungsri website (which is to close in October) and occasionally pay bills via an android Krungsri app on my smartphone (and do MANY "scan" money payments with the Krungsri app.. I wonder, given my accounts (including investments) with Krungsri is definitely very 'substantial' , if they will 'look the other way' for me using their Krungsri app, or despite my financial status (and given my age) require me to stop using the Krungrsi app? Likely in the next year or two I will buy a new smartphone, and at that time I will then need to re-install the Krungsri app on that new smartphone device. This makes me think I could have issues then with a new Krungsri app. I do like to use my phone for payments via the Krungsri app, so this could lead me to close my Krungsri account and move my very large amount of investment away from Krungsri, unless they make an exception (not mentioned in their T&C, for large accounts (both cash and investment)). These are interesting times as one encounters things as one grows older.

I find no mention of that in their T&C. Perhaps you would like to share your reference for that? I am over age 70, I have multiple Krungsri accounts ( different types) and I have encountered no such limitation. Again, please share your reference for that assertion.

There are no contradictions in my post. You simply fail to read and draw wrong conclusions. Nonsense. You have no statistics for that. Many expats prefer NOT to keep most of their money in Thailand. So that group typically are covered by por.161.162 when they remit income to Thailand. Many expats income come from countries with DTAs with Thailand where the DTAs need to be examined to assess if Thailand can tax such income. I gave you examples (civil service/military pensions) where Thailand mostly can not tax such in most DTAs. I gave you the example of Canada, where Thailand can not tax pensions from Canada. How many DTAs have you actually spent the time looking at? You make statements of demographics with nothing to backup what you state. I pointed out aspects of DTAs with regards to tax exemption. Thailand may do a lot of things in the future, such as making foreign income remittance tax free. They are talking about that now!! Are they talking about tax certificates now? Are they? Are they? No. Again - your paranoia. No contradiction. You simply can not read. The thing is , you go BEYOND calling it a possibility in most of your posts. You infer it is about to happen. Again, there has been no mention of government circles about bring this tax clearance certificate back. In 100% contrast there has been talk, in Thai government circles, of going beyond por.161.162 and making foreign income remittance tax free for some more time. So what? I have ALWAYS maintained one MUST look at the DTA of their source income, and if and as appropriate, file or not file a tax return. Further in cases such as civil-service/military-pensions, and Canada pension, no tax credits needed. Thailand simply is not allowed to tax such. Why can you not understand that? Maybe you need to spend some time reading DTAs as opposed to pontificating on tax credits? As long as it is made clear this is your speculation , while mentioning there is absolutely NO talk in the Thai government about the tax clearance certificate being re-introduced, then there is nothing wrong. Have you added that caveat? No. You have not. THAT IS WHAT IS WRONG. Clear enough for you? Because you fail to omit this is 100% your speculation. Clear enough for you? Indeed. Thailand is talking about extending por.161/162 with no tax on remitted income. And you are spending money to get an unnecessary tax clearance certificate. Too FUNNY. MUCH MUCH TOO FUNNY That fine. Do you mention that? No. Instead you infer others MUST get a tax certificate, with no caveats that it is your speculation with NO THAI GOVERNMENT STATEMENTS saying otherwise. Nor do you mention you had to file an income tax return because you are not bringing in por.161/162 excluded from tax saving, nor do you mention you had to file an in one tax return because Royal Decrees nor DTAs exclude you from paying tax - unlike many of us where were exempt from paying Thai tax. Frankly - you are deliberately misleading, extrapolating your situation to many, where there are many with which your situation does NOT apply. .

Yes. Exactly my worlds. Do you disagree with that? Yes, and many expats income comes from countries where they keep most of their money outside of the country (as savings), and when the many expats in this group bring in that money into the country it comes under Ministerial instructions por.161.162, and this money of the many is tax exempt. Plus many expats have been taxed already, where per DTA their (for example Canada's DTA with Thailand in regards to pension income, and pretty much all country's DTAs with Thailand in regards to civil servant/military pensions) where Thailand has no taxation rights, and the income is exempt from the Thai tax assessment, and hence the tax threshold for filing a Thai tax return is not reached if no other remitted or local Thai income. One needs to know the details of their DTA to understand if foreign income (that is not savings from pre-1-Jan-2024) is exempt, or not exempt, in Thailand. Sure. Many things are possible. But the Thai government is not talking about it. YOU are not the Thai government. In this case, neither do you. Perhaps in your mind it has been 'may', but not in every one of your posts on this where you go on about this .... Which is why I stated expats need to be familiar with the wording of their DTAs. I gave you an example - Canada. Per the Canada-Thai DTA, only Canada has the right to tax Canadian pension income. Canada does tax such pensions and Thailand has NO RIGHT to tax it. This is no myth. Don't believe me. Read the Canada-Thai DTA. The same is true for pretty much ALL civil service/military pensions from most countries with DTAs with Thailand. Thailand has no right to tax those civil-servant/military pensions, and in many of those countries the civil service and miltary pensions were already taxed by those countries. Thailand can not tax those incomes and that is no myth. Again, it goes back to what I typed, one needs to be familiar with the DTA of their source income country, and based on that and based on their income decide if an income tax form needs to be filed in Thailand. Further, there is NO NEED at present time to obtain a tax clear certificate to renew one's permission to stay in Thailand. NONE. NADDA. Now one point where possibly you and I have some common ground - if you go back to my posts a LONG TIME back, some expats were claiming there was no way Thailand could ever enforce taxation on expats, to which I noted, like you note today, there is the possibility to bring back the Thai tax clearance certificate. But having typed that, do I think it will happen? No. It was a PIA in the past. Further, Thailand currently wants money brought into the country. That is just a lot of speculation. Many things can happen in the future. Currently Thailand is talking about , and considering, no taxation on remitted income. Will that happen also? its just more speculation. Who knows what the future will bring? Until it happens, if one rants on and on and on and on and on about it, ... and then one goes and get a needless tax clearance certificate when there is ZERO need to do such, when one pays an agent or accountant to file their tax return so they can get that certificate, then, yes, I see that as paranoia. Prudence dictates file a tax return if required, but prudence does not dictate pay someone money to file a tax return when the tax return is not needed just to get a not needed tax clearance certificate. Instead, prudence dictates pay attention to Thai tax laws, and Thai immigration requirements, but don't inappropriately jump to conclusions and take unnecessary unilateral $$ costing action when unnecessary. Taking premature actions in such cases is paranoia. Not prudence.

lol !! clearly you 100% missed my sarcasm. lol !! It was a 'dig' at the paranoia of some on this forum. lol !! I think you know who. Read my post again , and think about such. Because there is no need to consider such. Simply DO NOT file a tax return if it is not legally required - and file a tax return if it is required. No certificate of clearance is needed for annual permission to stay renewals. None has been mentioned by the Thai government. None. Nadda. Nothing. Guess why. The why is because there is no plan to require such. Rather you simply deliberately did NOT include the 'may' in many of your previous mentions. One should spend their time pondering on changes that are more likely to occur. What is "many" ?? My view is many have income from countries with DTA with Thailand, ministerial directives (por-161/162) that cover their remitted money, and Royal decrees which need to be considered given their income, which for many means remitted income is exempt from the Thai tax calculation, it is NOT to be considered assessable income and hence the threshold in which a Thai tax return is to be submitted is NOT reached. Ergo in such many cases, a tax return only needless creates work for the Thai RD, creates needless work for the expat, and gets a big grin and a very BIG, a massive BIG thankyou, thankyou, thankyou, from the agents/tax-advisors who take the expats money for filing a totally unnecessary Thai tax return to provide a totally unnecessary Thai tax clearance certificate. There is no government talk of a tax clearance certificate needed. None. Likely the Thai government does not want the PIA associated with such (with proof being they no longer use such in the present, after having it in place for a while). Well we will disagree there. I see needless paranoia in your view . Agree.

No it does not. You claim there will be a tax certificate required for those who want a visa permission to stay renewal sometime in the future. Sometimes you say "may" be required. Sometimes you omit the word "may" so to annoy or to frighten or to show your own paranoia. I state follow Thai tax law. Simple. If no Thai tax return is required do not submit one. If one is required then submit one. I also state it highly unlikely a tax certificate will be required, and those who keep claiming such will be needed, ommitting the word "may: on multiple occasions are simply pushing their own paranoia on others. Thai history has proven the tax certificate used in the past was a PIA and Thailand realized such, and no longer require such. There is no contradiction there.

Yes - but if you read the press - you do read it? you will read the most recent Thai government approach is not asking for tax certificates. Not in the slightest. ZERO . NADDA. NOTHING. Rather they have instead been talking of allowing tax residents to bring money in tax free. That is a very very VERY far cry from a tax certificate. Sure - and I have swamp land in Florida and a bridge in Brooklyn I can sell you. "scaremongering" ? Those are NOT my words in my post you quoted. You did read my post? Right? But now that you mention it, yes, you are scare mongering in regards to a tax certificate being required. At least on that we agree. Yes.

I think that is likely branch and location specific. Here in Phuket the Bangkok Bank in Central Festival shopping mall is always crazy crowded while for example Krungsri and other banks are a bit less crowded. I do also note one needs significantly less money/ investments with Krungsri to get vip access ( ie allowed to wait in a comfortable bank lounge separate from the masses ) than Bangkok bank. Overall I prefer Krungsri over Bangkok bank, but I kept Bangkok bank account as my experience was it was superior for transferring money into it from abroad ( compared to Krungsri). However it's been 18 months since I last transferred money into Thailand so I will need to revisit this.

There was a a recent Wise announcement. https://wise.com/help/articles/2932335/guide-to-thb-transfers Starting on 6 May 2025, the following banks will no longer be supported due to payment system upgrades in Thailand: TMBThanachart Bank (011) Citibank (017) Sumitomo Mitsui Banking Corporation (018) Standard Chartered Bank (020) United Overseas Bank (024) The Government Savings Bank (030) HSBC (031) Deutsche Bank (032) The Government Housing Bank (033) Bank For Agriculture And Agricultural Cooperatives (034) Mizuho Corporate Bank (039) BNP Paribas (045) Bank Of China (052) Thanachart Bank (065) Islamic Bank Of Thailand (066) TISCO Bank (067) ICBC (070) The Thai Credit Retail Bank (071) Land And Houses Retail Bank (073) Sumitomo Mitsui Trust Bank (Thai) PCL (SMTB) (080)

What's to stop them from bringing it back? The same thing that stopped them in the past. That will stop them. It was to much of a PIA for immigration and for the RD to follow up. Rather all they have to do instead is point out to all uninformed expats to the posts of some on this forum ... lol ! That should be sufficient to scare expats (whose income does not qualify for filing a tax return, much less having enough income to qualify for paying tax) into posting unnecessary tax returns, creating unnecessary work for all. Unnecessary work for the expats. Unnecessary work for the Thai RD. .. .But the tax specialists / agents who make money off those who file unnecessary tax returns should benefit. lol ! Don't get me wrong. Expats need to be familiar with DTAs of the countries from which their income originates (to assess if a Thai tax return needed) and expats need to be familiar with some relevant Thai ministerial directives (to assess if a Thai tax return is needed) and even familiar with some Thai Royal Decrees that are associated with Thai tax law. And then make a correct assessment whether an income tax return filing is needed . I further note, if one can believe the current speculative reporting in Bangkok Post and some other news sources, things are moving very far away from any tax clearance certificate wild speculation. Rather the speculative reporting suggests Thailand is wanting to encourage funds to be brought into Thailand, tax free.

lol. It does not have to be cash. Typically Thai banks offer different investment schemes, and nominally if one goes with one or more of their investment schemes to make up the 5-million THB, then one will qualify for their debit or credit card that has the perks that one is looking for. Reference the amount of money - really - that is relative. What might seem like an enormous amount for some, will indeed seem like 'chicken feed' for others. Relative is relative is relative.

lol. or one article just copied the other in order to show the 'reporter' is doing some work.

Depending on how much money you can put in the bank, there are a number of alternatives to Bangkok Bank where one can obtain perks for using their bank. If you travel by air one or twice a year, and like to use the lounge at the airport, then some banks offer credit cards or debit cards, which provide 'lounge access'. SCB Bank: For example SCB bank if one has an account with them, offer a "SCB Planet Card" (a debit card) which can (if a certain amount of foreign (non-Thai) money is debited to/spent via that card, will provide some limited airport lounge access per a calendar quarter. I can't recall the foreign currency amount, other than I easily met it as I had to book some transport in a foreign country, and I used the Planet card for the booking. Krungsri Bank: If one has a lot of disposable savings, or willing to invest money via Krungsri bank (picking qualifying investments) and if one invests up to 5-million Thai baht, then one qualifies for Krungsri Exclusive status. This offers a number of perks with the Krungsri Exclusive credit card, including a couple of dragon passes per year (for free lounge access) and 8 all-day gym access per month to certain gyms (check to see if one in your area). One also gets 'points' for purchases ... etc ... And one can use the VIP area at Krungsri bank branches and avoid the crowds in the main bank waiting area. Krungsri Bank - they have Krungsri Travel card (a debit card0 gives 20% off of many Agoda bookings). This is very useful for Thai citizens who travel. I think thou a foreigner needs to have a Thai work permit to qualify for this card. K Bank: Another possibility is K-bank, where if one obtains the K-Bank Wisdom card (credit card), one can get either unlimited priority pass (for airport lounge access) or alternatively unlimited all-day gym access (check first to see if qualifying gym in your area). One does have to place 5-million THB in their bank either via investments through the bank, or money in cash. Of course if airport lounge access is of no interest, and/or gym access is not appealing, then this is not a consideration in the slightest. There may be other better cards too. By no means am I an expert on this. Typically, to get any 'perks', Bangkok Bank demands a LOT more money spent via their bank, or invested via their bank, or sitting in a cash deposit in their bank, than any other Thailand bank.

I know when using Wise that Krungsri has limits when transferring money to Thailand. I have accounts at both Bangkok Bank and Krungsri (and recently SCB) and so when I wish to transfer money to Thailand, I typically transfer money 1st to Bangkok Bank, ...and once in Bangkok Bank I will transfer the money to Krungsri bank. Having typed that, its been over 18-months (from what I recall) since I last transferred money to Thailand. Further I transferred a lot of money to Thailand some years back when I was a non-resident. Likely thou, if I wish to buy a new car, I may consider transferring some more money to Thailand (via Bangkok Bank). Reference your comment about multiple transfers to by a condo. When I purchased a condo in Thailand back in 2016 (?), I was in Thailand and needed to transfer money from Europe to Thailand. I recall I had a limit on my European account as to how much I could transfer in any given transfer. Foolishly (?) I did not check such before departing Europe to Thailand, and when in Thailand, I was not able to get the European bank to raise the limit (they wanted me to go into the office in Europe to do so). Hence I ended making something like 10 or more transfers over the course of a couple of weeks. A bit of a PIA as I suspect you can image. ... I learned after that to plan just a bit better.

I am of the view health insurance is incredibly useful, so its just a matter as to how one wishes to obtain their Health Insurance. In comparison to the Type-OA visa, the LTR is superior for the LTR does NOT require health insurance from the Thai branch of a health insurance company. Health insurance from a foreign branch of a health insurance company is viable for the LTR if one can get the company to write a letter of compliance with Thailand's LTR health insurance requirement (by including certain key words/phrases and financial coverage numbers in the letter). One can NOT do that with a a Type-OA. In terms of the Type-O visa, then yes. I agree. If one can not afford health insurance, and/or wants to gamble on staying healthy and never wanting to spend a cent on health insurance, then the LTR visa is not the visa to choose and the Type-O makes more sense.

This was a BIG advantage for me, even thou my LTR-WP took a rather long time to get. I had MANY information requests, and in the most part (with on major exception) I was able to address them from the comfort of my condo, sitting on the balcony with my laptop computer, with a sea view and sipping a glass of wine.

I would not go so far as to say that they don't care. I believe it more accurate to state they will make exceptions to their policy ( when asking for tax returns as income proof) when it makes sense to them.

Yes. This is the COR (certificate of residence) which was mentioned above. You get this from your local immigration when you are in Thailand. It doesn't hurt to bring a copy of your lease. Ensure that the place where you stay has done a TM30 for you (typically done by the Landlord) - this may or may not be required by your Immigration Office, but if an Immigration Officer ( IO) asks for this when you go to immigration, its not something that can be done on the spur of the moment - so ask your landlord (or hotel where you stay) for this before going to immigration. For example, Phuket immigration purportedly requires a TM30: https://piv-phuket.com/residence-certificate/ Bring a passport sized/style photo, as it is needed for the COR. With passport, copies as noted in the link, passport sized photo, the TM30 in hand (and it doesn't hurt to bring the 1-month lease from your rental - or what ever from your proof of rental is provided, with that in hand) go to the local immigration and ask that they provide you a COR letter. They may have you fill in another form, but if so, that can likely be done on the spot. Then take the COR with you (and your passport that has the Type-O visa inside) when you go to open up your bank account. Its been almost a decade since I had to do the above. I have a different visa now (LTR) and I have a yellow-book & pink Thai ID so I have not needed a COR to open a bank account. Instead I have different requirements (re: the LTR visa).

As long as he understands with citizenship, comes responsibility. Further to my earlier post, ... when I lived and worked in Germany, a former work colleague (who has UK/German dual citizenship) told me the story of how he obtained his German citizenship and the consequence (he was drafted into the German military immediately after obtaining his citizenship (in those days Germany had the draft). He was born and lived in the UK. His father English, his mother German. Every year his parents would go to Germany where he would spend a few weeks with this German grandparents (on his mother's side of the family). At age 18 after completing highschool he decided to go to Germany and spend time with his grandparents. He landed a job at a local shop, but he was in fact not working legally (this was before 1973 ?? when the UK joined the EU). The mayor of the German town was a friend of his grandparents, and advised them if he applied for his German citizenship, he (the mayor) would 'look the other way' (and not notice his working illegally as not being an EU nor German citizen). So he applied for his German citizenship based on his mother being German, and he could speak 'just enough' German language to pass the citizenship language test (barely). Within a couple of weeks of obtaining his German citizenship, he was drafted, and he spent a small number of years in the German military. Now - I am not saying that is a bad thing. As I noted, I volunteered to join the Canadian military at age-18, and I benefited enormously from what I learned in the military, from the experience, and from the contacts I made. But the military is not for everyone. so just because a second citizenship is possible, it does not mean it is the best approach. So I re-iterate, care is needed to understand possible consequences. With citizenship, comes responsibility.

I will ask my Thai wife to call her friend the Bank Manager. And then it will be relevant and your "not entirely sure" will be irrelevant.

I don't think what you are "not entirely sure" about is the case. My understanding, from (1) talking to expats who obtained bank accounts when on type-O, (2) from posts on this forum, (3) from the notification sign at the local Bangkok Bank branch (where I have a few bank accounts), and (4) from one of my Thai wife's friends (where this friend is the manager at a Phuket based Krungsri bank branch) , is foreigners on a non-immigrant 90-day type-O visa, can open a bank account. It is considered a 'long stay' even thou it is only 90-days. The bank logic is typically foreigner on this visa, plan to stay in Thailand longer than just the 90-days. Typically advising the bank of any one of these reasons will also further help (but may not be needed) : * the foreigner advises they need this bank account to transfer money into Thailand so to obtain the 1-year extension on the Visa so to stay in Thailand longer * the foreigner can point to a condominium they own in Thailand, or are about to buy (with funds passing through the bank) * the foreigner notes they plan to transfer a substantial amount of money into Thailand into this bank account * the foreigner has a Thai spouse * the foreigner agrees to buy some bank investment/insurance scheme from the Bank Manager (where likely Bank branch manager obtains some commission). I would be curious to hear of anyone who has not been able to open a Thai bank account on a Type-O. I have not heard of anyone noting this (on a type-O visa) that I can recollect. Possibly in the future, the Banks may ask to see one's passport on a regular basis (once every year or two) to ensure one is still on a long-stay visa, but this sentence is 100% speculation by me. It may never be the case, or it may have been the case for some now by some banks .

If no Thai bank account then I recommend you follow DrJack54's recommendation. Why ? If you arrive Thailand visa exempt, you will need to open a bank account to obtain a non-immigrant type-O visa. But you will find it almost impossible to open a bank account if you enter Thailand visa exempt. Which means you nominally then can not obtain a type-O visa inside Thailand (with no Thai bank account). One work around in such a case is to find an agent and pay them $$ in order to help you open a bank account. But recent new articles have noted Bangkok Bank pushing back on those who opened accounts when Visa exempt, and freezing their accounts (until long term visa can be shown). To avoid all the hassle, if you obtain the 90-day Type-O visa when outside of Thailand (while in your home country), then when you arrive in Thailand, you can immediately open a bank account on the Type-O (as Thai banks accept that visa), and start moving money into Thailand so to be ready for applying for a 1-year extension on your Thai Type-O visa (which you nominally should do after being in Thailand for about 60-days when on a 90-day Type-O visa). I recommend you do NOT come to Thailand on a one year-Type-OA visa (this is DIFFERENT from the Type-O). For the Type-OA 1-year extensions on the permission to stay in Thailand, it has health insurance requirements with a 'Thai twist' to them. The Type-O does not have that 'twist'. The 'twist' I refer to is the health insurance for a Type-OA pretty much MUST be from the Thai branch of a health insurance company. Even if your original out of country health insurance (to get a type-OA) was from outside of Thailand, that can NOT be used when applying for the 1-year extensions of the permission to stay in Thailand. Typically when going for the extension of a permission to stay in Thaliand (on a Type-OA visa), health insurance from a branch of a health insurance outside of Thailand is not accepted. But the Type-O does NOT have health insurance requirements. Which all gets back to why DrJack54's suggestion should be considered - get a Type-O outside of Thailand first, is the optimal way to do this if you can. .

With respect, given your story, I believe it depends on the actual Immigration Officer you happen to be dealing with in Phuket immigration on any particular extension. I live in Phuket. A couple who live in a Villa just to the north of where I live in Phuket, adopted your strategy for years. Then 2 years ago , it was refused. They were forced to go back to their bank branch in Phuket, get a yearly statement and an appropriate letter from the Bank. Not long after that another Phuket expat friend reported the same problem, despite doing such differently for years. so the policy does not appear to be even consistent within the Phuket office. As the saying goes "your mileage may vary". YMMV.

I agree with Presnock, ask BoI. They have staff who speak excellent English. I recommend you phone BoI. My experience is their email reply record is dismal at best, while their phone response is very good. My speculation is if you have no tax returns as income proof, you will have to have very good other records (confirmation) as to your income proof. I believe BoI like to use income tax returns as income proof as it provides them more confidence someone is not 'scamming' them as to an income that does not exist. In my case, when I applied in January-2023, I provided Boi my year 2020 and year 2021 tax assessment from Canada (which lists my global income). BoI then asked for my year 2022 tax Canadian tax assessment (where I had not even yet submitted my Canadian 2022 tax return). It was weeks later before I could obtain the income information/tax slips to file my 2022 Canadian tax return, and weeks more before I could get a Canadian government tax assessment for year 2022 (which lists global income) and then provide that to BoI. That slowed down my LTR application process. Further, BoI, knowing I was a pensioner (with pensions from Europe and from Canadian Old Age security) asked for my Canadian pension tax slip copy !! I had to contact them and advise them, I did not get a Canadian pension (yet) as I had deferred the receipt of that pension to age-70. So BoI were very thorough in what they asked. I did in the end obtain the LTR-WP. Which I believe, simply points to the usefulness of your contacting BoI, ( by phone ) explain to them your financial situation, and find out early from them, exactly what documents they want in your specific case.

One thought I had here, is Thailand has a military draft system. So if his son obtains dual nationality, where one of the son's citizenships is Thai, he will be subject to the Thai military draft at a certain age. 18 ??? This is true even if he no longer lives in Thailand, ... for regardless where he lives in the world, he as a Thai citizen will be subject to Thai draft. Now depending on some circumstance, he may be exempt the Thai draft, but such depends on some specifics that may or may not be not relevant to his son's case (when he comes of draft age). Don't get me wrong. I volunteered !! for the Canadian military at age-18 and spent 13+ years in the military. I have good things to say about the Canadian military and I learned a massive amount from that experience, and i have lot to be grateful for that experience. But I volunteered for that. A military draft (where one has not volunteered) is a different kettle of fish. So I would recommend the OP think twice before obtaining Thai citizenship for his son (to avoid 90-day reports), even if his son qualifies.