msg362

Where does he plan to live? If Chiang Mai, look up 'Chiang Mai expats' on google, there is also one in Pattaya.

Try eating meat, any meat!

I've been following this thread. There has been a very active discussion over the morality of paying bribes but few have tried to answer the question. Maybe I wasn't clear enough.

Can we all accept that paying bribes for many services ( and ? driving ???? errors??) is common in Thailand?

If we do then the question I was trying to ask is :

Are Thais likely to use a 'a publicise the briber' type site or is this not is the Thai way? ( which is to accept and not cause a fuss)

Below is a link to a BBC story ( Mods, not sure if allowed to post it, sorry if not)

It tells how someone in India has set up a site to publicise corrupt acts. for example paying for your driving licence, paying to register your house etc ( sound familiar?). The effect has been to eliminate some activities. Driving licences can be applied for on line so no chance! The motorbike driving test has been automated and the result recorded ( not surprisingly the driving examiners opposed this innovation!)

What are the chances of something like this working here?

http://www.bbc.co.uk...h-asia-13616123

Many of the words the OP is unhappy about seem to originate (sorry, start) from American Business, presumably where people are attempting (sorry, trying) to impress each other with how much hot air they can expel (oh, there I go again). It does lead to some horrible words. Methodology is one.

English, with its multiple sources, has different words which mean similar things, but often a particular meaning and usage(arghh) has attached to each of them, and contribute to the richness, expressiveness and accuracy of the language. The longer words may convey a subtlety of meaning, and may be appropriate for use, so it is wrong to condemn them out of hand.

However, I do like some of the colourful (drat!) American phrases, such as "think outside the box" as cited here. I thought outside the box once, and got a brain hernia.

I am amused by the affected use of words like kudos (pronounced cuedows instead of kudoss) as though it is a bunch of medals. In fact it is Greek, is singular, and means glory. Another is moot, as in moot point, which is used to mean the exact opposite of its real meaning. A moot is what the English had before the French wandered over and gave them a parliament. Unhappily this usage is infecting the world. It is a while since I have been there, so perhaps the fashionable words have changed.

Still, as the Americans say "English is a living language. Let's murder it!"

The use of pretentious language in writing is defined as much by stylistic elements employed by the writer as it is by the specific vocabulary chosen with purpose to convey a sanctimonious and supercilious sense of superiority. Generally, to evoke the more precise sense of pretentiousness, as opposed to a genuine level of scholarly difficulty necessary to adequately communicate abstract and deeply penetrating analysis and thought, there will be a subtle hint of insecurity present in the writer's tone underneath the flamboyant verbosity that reveals clear strains of overcompensation for underlying feelings of inadequacy that are slyly hinted at in the noticeable similarity between the words "pretentious" and "pretend" (which have no basis in actual linguistic structure, however). Complex as the differentiation between pretentiousness and true erudition may be, the simplest definition is "you know it when you see it."

The Panasonic agent is HD Solutions in BKK. I've used them to buy a GH2 and other stuff for my HMC 150 camera. A lady called Anne there speaks and writes excellent English. They post by EMS without charge.

I bought the HMC 150 camera from singapore and paid around10% I think in duty etc. It worked out cheaper then buying here ( about 110,000 Baht singapore, 120,000 Thailand) but on a cheaper camera it probably isn't worth the hassle

HD solutions link is : http://www.wedunk.com

Best of luck

There's a great bike shop off nimahamin road about soi 15 I think. can't remember the name, but it's the best I've found. Hopefully others can give you better directions. Sell lots of bikes, including Trek, has a range of gear and clothes.

Sorry I can't be more help. There is another in Chang moi road, used to be run by a canadian a couple of years ago, but now Thai I think, don't know much about it. Just on the bend in the road, near motorbike shops, on the right.

Edit, tried to spell nimahamin correctly and failed I think!

Well, I for one understood your point, but since it's the end of this thread, and since the lock on my door is broken and I can only go to dinner by going out the window, I shall now defenestrate myself.

Tried it once, didn't like it

I'm sorry I started this thread, I just wanted it as a light hearted silly amusement. Some, however need to show how educated/ intelligent/erudite ( Arrogant? conceited?/patronising? unpleasant?) they are and find the need to try to put others down. No names. no pack drill but I think you know who I am talking about.

So I suggest we finalise this ongoing thread at this moment in time and start ( sorry commence!) to think out of the box.

Cheers

Hospitalise?

Not sure what your point is. Being from the land that invented English, we would say 'going to hospital' which i think describes the event.

That's just not right though.

'Hospitalise' means to put somebody into a hospital for treatment, not 'going to hospital'. It really is quite a difference. If you were to say 'going to hospital then your message can become really quite confusing. I'm sorry to say this but you really are demonstrating a very basic understanding of the English vocabulary.

The word hospitalise really is not from a particularly advanced section of vocabulary. It's a rather common word that everybody knows the meaning of (or so I thought). By your reasoning we shouldn't say 'accelerate', instead we should say 'speed up' or we shouldn't say 'assemble', we should say 'put together.

It's one thing to criticise some people's unnecessary and pretentious use of vocabulary when a much simpler single word will suffice. But it's another thing entirely to expect others to dumb down their vocabulary when the words they are using are probably the most basic single words they can use. One of the most amazing thing about the English language is the very fact that we can say so much of what we want to say with a single word, why destroy that? It's surely something that should be embraced, not resisted.

Your other examples like 'commence' are again very simple use of the language that should be easily understood by all readers and as Ian so rightly pointed out, sometimes it is necessary to use a synonym to help with the sentence structure. When writing a good sentence structure is very very important to maintain the readers interest and avoid any confusion.

Sharing a common language is all about being able to communicate with each other and if the other person understands clearly what is being said, then the purpose has been achieved perfectly and should not be changed in any way. If you are struggling to understand simple words like 'hospitalise' which have no simpler single words as an alternative then I'm afraid the fault lies with you, not the person saying it.

Point taken better to say 'going into hospital, my mistake. You clearly don't understand my point about 'hospitalise. Think about it and stop being patronising

I'm not saying not to vary verbs, but in simple sentences, better to use a short word rather than a long one. Where exactly did I ask people to 'dumb down'?

You do like the sight of your own writing don't you?

I don't struggle to understand 'hospitalise' It's just we who invented the English language tend not to use it.You are really arrogant and seem just to misunderstand ( or maybe you really don't understand, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt) so that you can show how clever you are

I take it that is your view, but you fail to provide any. not helpful and you don't explain how they do not 'do justice'

Hospitalise?

Not sure what your point is. Being from the land that invented English, we would say 'going to hospital' which i think describes the event.

That's just not right though.

'Hospitalise' means to put somebody into a hospital for treatment, not 'going to hospital'. It really is quite a difference. If you were to say 'going to hospital then your message can become really quite confusing. I'm sorry to say this but you really are demonstrating a very basic understanding of the English vocabulary.

The word hospitalise really is not from a particularly advanced section of vocabulary. It's a rather common word that everybody knows the meaning of (or so I thought). By your reasoning we shouldn't say 'accelerate', instead we should say 'speed up' or we shouldn't say 'assemble', we should say 'put together.

It's one thing to criticise some people's unnecessary and pretentious use of vocabulary when a much simpler single word will suffice. But it's another thing entirely to expect others to dumb down their vocabulary when the words they are using are probably the most basic single words they can use. One of the most amazing thing about the English language is the very fact that we can say so much of what we want to say with a single word, why destroy that? It's surely something that should be embraced, not resisted.

Your other examples like 'commence' are again very simple use of the language that should be easily understood by all readers and as Ian so rightly pointed out, sometimes it is necessary to use a synonym to help with the sentence structure. When writing a good sentence structure is very very important to maintain the readers interest and avoid any confusion.

Sharing a common language is all about being able to communicate with each other and if the other person understands clearly what is being said, then the purpose has been achieved perfectly and should not be changed in any way. If you are struggling to understand simple words like 'hospitalise' which have no simpler single words as an alternative then I'm afraid the fault lies with you, not the person saying it.

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Hospitalated ?

Hospitatutionalised?

Much better, can you make it longer and get a prize????

A&Ed. In this case, would OP stand for OutPatient?

Personally, I am all in favour of vocabulic innovation. Too many of our words are old-fashioned and no longer stylish enough for discussion in the post-logical era.

I sometimes think that guys like you struggle to keep up with people who can think 'out-of-the-box'. ZZAA is a great example of an exbox post-logic thinker. Gravion, on the other hand, seems to be trying to climb back into the box, with some recent posts on the verge of intelligibility.

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No one ( This is OP speaking and i'm not an outpatient, (were you born rude or did you practice?) is talking about inventing new words ( volcabulic innovation -pretentious) I'm on about using shorter words when possible for clarity. what is old fashioned about 'start' or 'use'?

So what are we to use instead of hospitalise?

Hospitalated ?

Hospitatutionalised?

Much better, can you make it longer and get a prize????

These posts are all redundant, er, I mean, repetitive, um, repetitious, no, no, I meant, recapitulatory, wait, reiterative would be better, no, um, they're all saying the same thing.

I think I'll recuse myself now. That's a fancy way of saying excuse, just adding the "r" gives it an air of sophistication for use only by superficially, supercilious, sanctamonius sycophants.

I take it that is your view, but you fail to provide any. not helpful and you don't explain how they do not 'do justice'

Hospitalise?

Not sure what your point is. Being from the land that invented English, we would say 'going to hospital' which i think describes the event. To add 'ise' to a noun make it into a verb, so 'hospitalise I think ( and I stand to be corrected by those more literate than me ( I'm just a poor man trained in science and the need for brevity!!))

means 'to make into a hospital' rather like 'plasticise' mean to make 'plastic'

Hopefully those of you more read than me can correct me!

You DO realize there are differences between nouns, pronouns, verbs, adverbs and adjectives, don't you?

Also, when using the same word over and over in a paragraph to describe something it becomes boring and irritating. That is just one reason why writers use different words that have the same meaning.

UGH Yes I do, that wasn't my point, but I 'll try to explain it simply. Methodology is used instead of method a noun,

commence instead of start. ' let's commence the race now' instead of 'let's start the race now

clearer?

Wouldn't "clear" have sufficiently relayed your meaning?

Maybe, but I thought he understood a little, therefore 'clearer' but whatever!

The OP does have a point.

Some people do have a tendency to overuse words in a way that makes them seem quite pretentious. It's just that the examples he gave don't do his point any justice.

I take it that is your view, but you fail to provide any. not helpful and you don't explain how they do not 'do justice'

repeat, commence rather than start ( a good anglo saxon word)

methodology, this was never used in scientific papers in my young day, why change to 'methodology' when 'method was perfectly understandable?

You DO realize there are differences between nouns, pronouns, verbs, adverbs and adjectives, don't you?

Also, when using the same word over and over in a paragraph to describe something it becomes boring and irritating. That is just one reason why writers use different words that have the same meaning.

UGH Yes I do, that wasn't my point, but I 'll try to explain it simply. Methodology is used instead of method a noun,

commence instead of start. ' let's commence the race now' instead of 'let's start the race now

clearer?

The world seems to be filling with longer and longer words. I'm not sure it the author thinks that buy using a long word he/she is somehow cleverer or more intelligent than others, but it seems to be getting worse.

In the last few weeks I've noticed 'advancement' instead of 'advance'

Here are some of my pet hates, please feel free to add to them. we could have 'a Guide to simple English"

Advancement -----------------advance

Usage ----------------------------use

Transportation -----------------transport

Purchase --------------------buy

Hospitalise ????????? Does this mean you are turned into a hospital???

Commence ------------------start

Commencement -----------start

Methodology ( Actually means 'the study of method' just like i.e. zoology- the study of animals) ---------------- method

There must be others!!!

On other occasions, threads have been stopped because they are not related to Thailand.

You're a bit slow to the party just to make a complaint - last post a month ago. Agenda?

Don't want to make an issue of it. The topic appeared under 'recent topics' yesterday so i asked, not complaining. BTW I'm not allowed to view your jpg attachment! Didn't realise there is a 'world topics' heading for this sort of thing

duplicate entry sorry

This happened to me. 30 day tourist visa exempt stamp at CM airport immigration. Next day went to CM office. Started on ?? 1900 baht visa, then 30 days before it expired got the 1 year extension based on retirement ( usual requirements). Been on that for the last 4 years, renewing every year, I can't see the difference between this and my original retirement visa.. Something to do with not being able to issue an extension against the visa exemption stamp I think. Now I get my re-entry permit the same day that I renew my visa.! CM Immigration were very helpful, but as another poster said, be polite. Rules are rules and you ( and I) c**ked up!

On other occasions, threads have been stopped because they are not related to Thailand. Can someone tell me who allowed this thread to start and why it has not been blocked like others ( Two sets of rules???)

( BTW I was interested to read it and happy to see it on TV, I hope more issues like this will be allowed but what are the rules??)

In Germany we have a pandemic of ehc coli bacteria. No one knows for the moment why.

Currently in Chiang Mai there is a pandemic of the E. Cohok bacteria similar to other outbreaks around the Kingdom. Everyone knows why this occurs: it is a result of the raksaa naa plague that has long impacted human habitation throughout the Siam region of the Golden Peninsula over the past century.

Sorry if i am being thick but what are you on about?