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Paging Dr Moe; paging Dr Larry; paging doctor Curly..... Never realized there were so many doctors on TV.

Paging Dr Google...

Thank you Sheryl for an spot on post which most seem to have ignored, forging full-speed ahead in their bid to provide the OP with the best misinformation available today.

Hopefully the OP won't pay them more attention than they deserve.

BTW: Seems like most "ailments" on the internet today have the same symptoms. And, whata shocker, all the websites about them just happen to sell something to cure it. Usually a handy pill or powder that does not require one to change diet or modify lifestyle.

Difficult as I can't remember the road numbers, but if you take the road from Samoeng there is about ? 40 km of dirt road through hill tribe villages. Can get muddy. The last ? 24 km onto the 1095 is tarmaced A nice ride but best on a trail bike or 4WD if the weather is rainy,

"Hydrogen peroxide is naturally produced in organisms as a by-product of oxidative metabolism. Nearly all living things (specifically, all obligate and facultative aerobes) possess enzymes known as catalyse peroxidases, which harmlessly and catalytically decompose low concentrations of hydrogen peroxide to water and oxygen."

http://en.wikipedia....drogen_peroxide

No idea where you get the idea H202 would NOT release oxygen into the digestive system.

Any references?

Standard chemistry, taught all over the world.

it's an oxidising agent, each molecule has only one atom of oxygen, the gas oxygen has 2! It's like saying Bleach is like salt. In addition, h2o2 would never reach the large intestine, it would hit the stomach first. It's the oxidising properties of both that give them their disinfectant qualities, but only in sufficient concentrations as to be hazardous to anyone ingesting them

BTW in the blood, haemoglobin is responsible for transporting oxygen, it is the essential limiting factor. , The contents of the colon are essentially anaerobic, and necessarily so, even with saturated oxyhaemoglobin, there will be no effect on the colon contents.

Maybe read this?

Enough, we will never agree so why not stop?

First of all that link has nothing to do with H202. Why offer such a vague and obtuse link?

Second. The H202 protocol is to consume the solution on an empty stomach which would quickly get the solution to the small intestine. The properties of the chyme and bacterial environment of the small intestine would have an effect on what happens in the large intestine. Any evidence to the contrary?

Where is it ever concluded that only the large intestine is the domain of fungi and yeast? Excluded the small intestine?

Third your trying to limit H202 effects to oxidation and side stepping the enzyme reaction of peroxidation.

Have you changed your position already from H202 therapy is wildly dangerous to now it's benign and doesn't do anything?

Aren't there a lot of parameters that would affect this analysis?

Beginning H202 solution strength?

Purity of water medium to avoid early reaction with suspended organic particles?

length of time from H202 addition to water before consumption?

Resulting PPM strength of consumed solution?

Stomach contents?

Frequency of doses?

Duration of doses?

I notice the protocol of doses begin a few drops and progress to up to 20 drops. I was in error about the doses only being 1 or 2 drops. That was a starting level.

I am agnostic on whether H202 is effective for XYZ but unsupported close minded opinions offer little insight.

There is a heck of a lot of research at Pubmed on H202. It's a lot to sort thru and much of it over my technical level.

Still it's a very interesting subject and I am challenged to understand why it works for a lot of people.

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OK here you go again Do you actually read what I say or just adapt it? I'm not willing to enter into a futile argument on issues I did not raise. You make assertions then expect me to provide evidence to the contrary. So here goes.mon'I think there is a flying spaghetti monster that is responsible for all creation, any evidence to the contrary?'. Can you see the fallacy in your position? Assertions have to be justified with validated evidence

This is truly boring and non scientific. I' m stopping and will let you just ramble on with your unscientific claptrap. Cheerio

Try to convince the world of your view of the large intestine. I don't care.

I will not repsond any more, I have more interesting things to do, like cutting my toenails

"Hydrogen peroxide is naturally produced in organisms as a by-product of oxidative metabolism. Nearly all living things (specifically, all obligate and facultative aerobes) possess enzymes known as catalyse peroxidases, which harmlessly and catalytically decompose low concentrations of hydrogen peroxide to water and oxygen."

http://en.wikipedia....drogen_peroxide

No idea where you get the idea H202 would NOT release oxygen into the digestive system.

Any references?

Standard chemistry, taught all over the world.

it's an oxidising agent, each molecule has only one atom of oxygen, the gas oxygen has 2! It's like saying Bleach is like salt. In addition, h2o2 would never reach the large intestine, it would hit the stomach first. It's the oxidising properties of both that give them their disinfectant qualities, but only in sufficient concentrations as to be hazardous to anyone ingesting them

BTW in the blood, haemoglobin is responsible for transporting oxygen, it is the essential limiting factor. , The contents of the colon are essentially anaerobic, and necessarily so, even with saturated oxyhaemoglobin, there will be no effect on the colon contents.

Maybe read this?

Enough, we will never agree so why not stop?

Probably straying too far from the original topic, but it seems that when an authority, be it a supernatural god interpreted ( mostly ) by Abrahamic religions, or a Pol Pot/ Mao character instructs us to do something our natural tendency as a species is to follow. (There were experiments a long time ago on simulated electric shock to the point of death, most people followed the instructions!) For me tho, Mao was transient, so was Pol Pot, religion is much longer lasting

Our only hope lies in our capacity to question everything and reason.

For the record:

With the exception of probiotics and possiobly avoidance of certain foods if the individual is intolerant/allergic to them, the remedies bandied about in this thread are not accepted medical practice and the supposed mechanism of action is junk science in the extreme. some of the "remedies" are also potentially dangerous.

Likewise, the idea that candida overgrowth in the gut or elsewhere in the body causes a multitude of vague symptoms is totally unfounded. Candida is normally present in small amounts in some parts of the body, and is harmless. It may overgrow if the other bacteria that normally keep it in check are wiped out (commonly occurs with antibiotics) at which point it causes annoying things like thrush in the mouth or vaginitis. Still doesn't cause the long list of symptoms that several fad books aqnd web sites (most of them selling something) have attributed to it. In immunsuppressed people, such overgrowth can occur even without antibiotics. Candida in the blood stream (candidal sepsis) is virtually nonexistant in immunocompetent persons and is a life threatening condition.

And "leaky gut" is indeed not a real medical condition.

The OP indicates he suffers from "sugar or sweet cravings, gas, bloating, fatigue, low energy, allergies, sinusitis, acid reflux, hormonal imbalances, brain fog, depression and arthritis (sic)". elsewhere he indicates he is also overwieght.

The combo of cravings for sweets, low energy/brain fog/depression are suggestive of abnormal glucose metabolism; together with a weight problem, metabolic syndrome (also referred to as insulin resistance) needs to be considered. . i suggest you get a basic check up inclusive of fasting blood sugar and a lipid panel to see if this is the case. And avoid processed carbohydrates as much as possible.

Allergies/sinusitis are another matter altogether.

As would be "hormonal imbalance" and arthritis, but note that these cannot be slef-diagnosed.

There are a lot of web sites and self proclaimed "alternative" practioners out there and a lot of fads that sweep through, al;ways making the same claim (essentially, that every possible symptom has a single cause, treatable by XYZ). Buyer beware.

Sheryl's post here is quite sensible. However if you are still determined to treat yourself for gut Candida, be aware that although antibiotics should be taken very carefully and selectively, Nystatin is usually prescribed for Candida. It is the one antibiotic which I would take without a second thought, as almost none of it is absorbed by the body.........it goes straight through, having killed the Candida.

After this you could then take all the probiotics you like to repopulate your gut with beneficial bacteria. Google Kombucha + wikipedia and try it too.

Yes agree. BTW taking a few drops of H2O2 in water will probably be to low a concentration to have any disinfectant effect and Please do understand, it won't add oxygen to your body!!! If the OP really does have Candida, the Nystatin followed by probiotics is probably the way to go But ask a qualified doctor!!!!!!.

Doesn't this just illustrate, tragically and graphically the great absurdities and dangers of faith, be it Islam or Christian. 'I am told by god to do this' ' You are wrong and must die' The sooner the world turns away from this bronze age, desert rubbish, the better.

Not that I entirely disagree with you but...

In a way, it's not really Islam that drives the Taliban -- not even entirely the perverse Deobandi, though no doubt many or most are devoted to it -- the war is, as all wars, ultimately about getting what they want -- primarily power -- and those in charge are trying to gain or keep theirs. The foot soldiers are doing, sadly, what lots of humans have always been willing to do -- follow and all too easily let loose the evil inside them.

No doubt Islam is what unifies them and what they use to justify their actions (even no doubt believing their own lies) but if it wasn't Islam, it'd be something else. (The Afghan communists did truly horrible things as well -- and they were anti-Islam).

I'm listening , but then there is the horror in Norway of ? another fundementalist?

No I am a simple guy, I expect the True channel guide to be accurate. Sorry about that Is that too much to ask for 1500 Baht a month. Or at least a note on 107 saying it's moved to 109. All we got was a recycling of adverts!

Doesn't this just illustrate, tragically and graphically the great absurdities and dangers of faith, be it Islam or Christian. 'I am told by god to do this' ' You are wrong and must die' The sooner the world turns away from this bronze age, desert rubbish, the better.

There we were, waiting patiently on D 107 for the intro to the German GP. All we had were repeating adverts for 20 minutes, no information. Finally, 2 minutes before the start, I flicked to 109 and there it was!! We saw it on another channel not listed in their guide

My monthly guide said 107, what happened and why was there not a warning on 107. Is this yet another example of the great care take True with their customers?

Great Lewis won !! Yippeee!!

Thanks Guys for the answers.

The only thing I would worry about is as winnie pointed out

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"User friendly is relative. You wouldn't believe the challenge I had getting a middle mouse 'button' to work on the Apple magic mouse. (And it's still very awkward to use). Also the mouse speed/acceleration is just nuts, and with inadequate control. All strictly IMHO. Also the Apple wireless Bluetooth keyboard seems to have a mind of its own sometimes."

I know I used the mouse on the one at the airport plaza and it seemed very slow to me and I can see where there will be a definite learning curve learning to use it.

Same as when I went from a one click mouse to a right and left hand one and again when I went to one with the scroll.

I am going to the states next month and might consider a notebook.

Be that is it may I am defiantly going to gt the big desk model when I return. Is there any thing I should be looking at buying there and bringing back with me.

You can plug in another mouse. I've got a cheap wireless mouse and one of those ball thingies, both work. As others have said, starts up fast, reliable ( I have a mate and we both edit video, his windows machine keeps faulting on one thing or another, my 24" 4 year old iMac just keeps rolling). As WTK said, windows 7 is a good OS but Apple is still out in front I think. ( I'm told the new Lion OS is very slick, not got it yet due to TOT running at a snails pace for the last week)

I changed to Macs about 5 years ago and have never regretted it. Forget about antivirus! you don't need it and the iLife suite is really good. I like the way programmes are integrated so there are fewer if any at all coordination issues.

Best of luck

Does anyone have recommendations for doctors /hospitals in Chiang Mai and any idea of costs?

Thanks

Dental crowns (not crowds) are readily available on almost a walk in basis at a number of CM dentists including Chiang Mai RAM Hospital and Grace Dental Clinic (google those names). Prices vary but will be in the range of Baht 10,000 to Baht 20,000, depending on the materials used and whether a root canal and post is required. I've had much success at the CM RAM Hospital dentist department, just walk in and book an appointment, no need to pay the extra costs of Bangkok dentists/hospitals.

Sorry about the mistake about "crowns". I guess I should have written a crowd of dental crowns... Would you say that dentists are just as good in Chiang Mai as they are in large city in North America? I need four crowns without root canal (partly for esthetic reason as my front teeth are not broken but not aligned and are worn out). This work has been suggested by my dentist. If I can get a crowd... of four crowns for 50000 baths, then my trip to Thailand would pay by itself with the saving.

Renoir

I've had a lot of work done in Thongnard Dental clinic. It's on the corner of the canal road and suthep road, up from suan dok, opposite the royal veg place. A bit cheaper than Grace and really excellent work. A root canal job, absolutely no pain, several crowns ( but not so many as to make a crowd!!) You even get a certificate to say the purity of the gold! ( not sure if you need it for customs/immigration!!). Cost, about a year ago around 10,000 per crown.

Phone number 053 277405, beware, only one receptionist speaks reasonable English, but all the dentists do of course.

Alternative medicine therapies

Many practitioners of alternative medicine use the term Candida to refer to a complex with broad spectrum of symptoms, the majority of which center around gastrointestinal distress, rashes, sore gums and other miscellaneous symptoms. Candida is accorded responsibility for symptoms as specific as hay fever, as vague as "brain fog" and as common as weight gain or flatulence. These symptoms are attributed by some alternative medicine practitioners to the "overgrowth" of intestinal candida albicans, which they claim leads to the spread of the yeast to other parts of the body via the digestive tract and bloodstream.^[16]

Use of the term Candida in alternative medicine to describe this complex is unassociated with its use in clinical medicine to refer to the fungus that causes vaginal yeast infections and thrush.^[9][10] This can be confusing for patients. No studies have proved that having intestinal candidiasis causes any symptoms of illness.^[9][10]

To treat what they refer to as Candida, some alternative medicine practitioners have recommended avoiding antibiotics, birth control pills, and foods that are high in sugar or yeast, ostensibly to "eliminate excess yeast" in the body. However, there is little clinically valid evidence that these "candida cleanse" treatments treat intestinal candidiasis effectively, or cure any of the symptoms claimed by the proponents of the hypothesis.^[9][10]

The probiotic Saccharomyces boulardii is undergoing much research as of late, demonstrating its ability to diminish levels of Candida in the body.^[17] This is hence one of the specific probiotic strains often recommended alongside a more general probiotic, for anyone on a Candida cleanse or Candida diet.

From Wilkipaedia, enough said I think, end of story.

forgot to add

Dairy contains Lactose which is a disaccharide sugar.

Most people are "Lactose Intolerant" to varying degrees.

Lactose Intolerance means inability to digest Lactose.

When a sugar sits around in the warm gut undigested it tends to ferment.

Fermentation explained

This is well established.

Lactose Fermentation search

I understand fermentation but can you please explain what it is that 'ferments' the lactose in the gut. It cannot 'ferment without some intervention by, possibly anaerobic bacteria You are wrong, most people are NOT intolerant to lactose, it's an evolutionary adaptation to northern climes, Asians tend to be lactose intolerant. don't say 'most people unless you have evidence.

When will you provide any evidence for your claims or are you just rambling on ?

If you mix, for example, NaOH and HCl you will get salt, no fizz. Ut's the bicarbonate bit that releases the CO2.

CSN. please learn some chemistry before asserting 'facts'

Also I see no response to my request for references to your earlier assertions re dairy products etc. Now new ones about 'Major Pharmaceutical companies. Could we PLEASE have some supporting evidence for your so far unfounded assertions. Then we might be able to have a sensible discussion

How you you feel if someone was injured by taking your advice to drink H2O2? would you feel any responsibility?

I repeat to the OP. best advice, find out if you have a Candida infection before taking any of these so called remedies and don't drink H2O2!!!.

Candida is a fungus, not a bacterium and anaerobic bacteria are not necessarily harmful Filling you lungs with air is unlikely to affect the balance of bacteria in the gut. Drinking H2O2 could be dangerous and should not be attempted. Colloidal silver is a disinfectant and will kill both aerobic and anaerobic bacteria. We need bugs in our gut!!!!. Where is your evidence that not eating, for example, dairy, promotes fermentation

I would agree eating probiotics is a sensible idea, but for the rest, well evidence would be a good idea and we can all look at it.. If you drink cider vinegar and eat baking soda you'll have a fizzy gut!!

uh.... if you mix a base with a acid then depending on the amounts of each they can be blended to neutral PH or near neutral PH.

I would shoot for about 6.8 to 7.2 PH. That makes a smooth taste. A little lower PH and it seems to taste a little more tangy. Quite pleasant really. Lime juice and baking soda is even better. The concept behind the ACV/Lime and baking soda are benefits like.

Vit C

Minerals

Descaling properties and alkaline PH residual effect of Baking soda

Really I would suspect Leaky Gut Syndrome as the likely root cause of a candida overgrowth.

Just change to a diet that heals the gut and removing the damaging foods and practices.

Damaging foods can vary somewhat from person to person.

The commons gut damaging foods are

Gluten containing grains like wheat, barley, rye etc

Legumes

Dairy

Nighthades

Nuts

Often times after healing the gut some or all these foods can be rentroduced.

With a leaky gut then undigested proteins can enter the blood stream thru the damaged lining of the intestines. The body reacts to these foreign proteins by inflammation etc. Various allergic reactions.

Glutens, Legumes, nuts and even some other grains like rice etc are difficult to digest due to anti nutrients like phytic acid.

IF a person has leaky gut then removing dairy decreases mucus and really improves the healing time.

Often times a person can reintroduce some dairy back into the diet without negative effect. Some types of dairy like raw goats milk etc seem to be less problematic.

uh.... if you mix a base with a acid then depending on the amounts of each they can be blended to neutral PH or near neutral PH.

Yes I do realise that but in this case you'll produce CO2.

I see you have not come up with any evidence for your assertion that eating dairy products can cause fermentation. I'd be very interested to see the peer reviewed papers. Nor have you retracted your advice to ? drink? H2O2, would you feel responsible if the OP suffered as a result?

To the OP, culturing in a lab is not frantically expensive, I would guess around 1000Baht, probably worth it rather than set off on wild goose chases.

BTW Leaky gut syndrome is not a recognised condition, ref Wilkipedia

Leaky gut syndrome is a proposed condition of an altered or damaged bowel lining. The term is used by some alternative medicine practitioners, but the syndrome is not a recognized diagnosis.^[

When you mix an acid and a base it will fizz until the reaction is over and then safe to drink without gas or fizz problems.

Leaky Gut Syndrome will be going mainstream as a number of major Pharmaceutical companies are close to bringing Leaky Gut drugs to market.

I think you should learn some chemistry. If you mix, for example, HCl and NaOH, no fizz, just salt. I'll spell it out, if you mix a weak acid and bicarbonate you will get CO2 released, that is fizzy! It's the bicarbonate bit that releases CO2 and fizzy drinks are safe to drink

Still no evidence about your early assertions I see, nor references to the 'major Pharmaceutical companies'. Please quote the scientific papers supporting this notion. No response on H2O2 either. Please support your assertions with at least a few facts before you send people off to drink H2O2

If someone is harmed by taking your unsubstantiated advice would you feel any responsibility?

Apple Cider Vinegar

Baking soda

Magnesium Citrate

Vitamin E

Probiotics

and most importantly stop eating sugars, starches, alcohol and dairy because they will promote fermentation and growth of the candida yeasts in the digestive tract.

Some people also use food quality Hydrogen Peroxide and or Colloidal silver in water to reduce the populations of anaerobic bacteria in the digestive tract. Do research on H202 before attempting that.. Too much H202 can cause real problems in the digestive tract.

Conversely getting more oxygen into the body with exercise, deep breathing etc will reduce anaerobic bacteria and promote healthy aerobic bacteria.

Candida is a fungus, not a bacterium and anaerobic bacteria are not necessarily harmful Filling you lungs with air is unlikely to affect the balance of bacteria in the gut. Drinking H2O2 could be dangerous and should not be attempted. Colloidal silver is a disinfectant and will kill both aerobic and anaerobic bacteria. We need bugs in our gut!!!!. Where is your evidence that not eating, for example, dairy, promotes fermentation

I would agree eating probiotics is a sensible idea, but for the rest, well evidence would be a good idea and we can all look at it.. If you drink cider vinegar and eat baking soda you'll have a fizzy gut!!

uh.... if you mix a base with a acid then depending on the amounts of each they can be blended to neutral PH or near neutral PH.

I would shoot for about 6.8 to 7.2 PH. That makes a smooth taste. A little lower PH and it seems to taste a little more tangy. Quite pleasant really. Lime juice and baking soda is even better. The concept behind the ACV/Lime and baking soda are benefits like.

Vit C

Minerals

Descaling properties and alkaline PH residual effect of Baking soda

Really I would suspect Leaky Gut Syndrome as the likely root cause of a candida overgrowth.

Just change to a diet that heals the gut and removing the damaging foods and practices.

Damaging foods can vary somewhat from person to person.

The commons gut damaging foods are

Gluten containing grains like wheat, barley, rye etc

Legumes

Dairy

Nighthades

Nuts

Often times after healing the gut some or all these foods can be rentroduced.

With a leaky gut then undigested proteins can enter the blood stream thru the damaged lining of the intestines. The body reacts to these foreign proteins by inflammation etc. Various allergic reactions.

Glutens, Legumes, nuts and even some other grains like rice etc are difficult to digest due to anti nutrients like phytic acid.

IF a person has leaky gut then removing dairy decreases mucus and really improves the healing time.

Often times a person can reintroduce some dairy back into the diet without negative effect. Some types of dairy like raw goats milk etc seem to be less problematic.

uh.... if you mix a base with a acid then depending on the amounts of each they can be blended to neutral PH or near neutral PH.

Yes I do realise that but in this case you'll produce CO2.

I see you have not come up with any evidence for your assertion that eating dairy products can cause fermentation. I'd be very interested to see the peer reviewed papers. Nor have you retracted your advice to ? drink? H2O2, would you feel responsible if the OP suffered as a result?

To the OP, culturing in a lab is not frantically expensive, I would guess around 1000Baht, probably worth it rather than set off on wild goose chases.

BTW Leaky gut syndrome is not a recognised condition, ref Wilkipedia

Leaky gut syndrome is a proposed condition of an altered or damaged bowel lining. The term is used by some alternative medicine practitioners, but the syndrome is not a recognized diagnosis.^[

Apple Cider Vinegar

Baking soda

Magnesium Citrate

Vitamin E

Probiotics

and most importantly stop eating sugars, starches, alcohol and dairy because they will promote fermentation and growth of the candida yeasts in the digestive tract.

Some people also use food quality Hydrogen Peroxide and or Colloidal silver in water to reduce the populations of anaerobic bacteria in the digestive tract. Do research on H202 before attempting that.. Too much H202 can cause real problems in the digestive tract.

Conversely getting more oxygen into the body with exercise, deep breathing etc will reduce anaerobic bacteria and promote healthy aerobic bacteria.

Candida is a fungus, not a bacterium and anaerobic bacteria are not necessarily harmful Filling you lungs with air is unlikely to affect the balance of bacteria in the gut. Drinking H2O2 could be dangerous and should not be attempted. Colloidal silver is a disinfectant and will kill both aerobic and anaerobic bacteria. We need bugs in our gut!!!!. Where is your evidence that not eating, for example, dairy, promotes fermentation

I would agree eating probiotics is a sensible idea, but for the rest, well evidence would be a good idea and we can all look at it.. If you drink cider vinegar and eat baking soda you'll have a fizzy gut!!

Do you know if you have a candida infection? It's unlikely to be living in your gut. If you are sure you have ( a culture would confirm it) you might need to take an antifungal. AFAIK Candida is an infection of external ( mucosal?) surfaces, but in conditions of supressed immunity can spread ( I stand to be corrected). I'd suggest you don't just guess but get confirmation as a serious infection might be an indicator of an underlying problem. A visit to a doctor would be good I think.

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Not sure what is more entertaining, this, the Pua Thai promises or the News International saga in the UK. What ever, they say laughter is the best medicine- I've never felt so well!! Keep it up folks, I'll live to 100!

Sorry if the answer is elsewhere, can't find it here or on the BBC. The UK Parliament was due to vote last night ( UK time) telling Murdoch to stop his bid. He pulled out before the debate ? started?? finished? does anyone know what happened? Not sure if this question is even allowed!!!!!!

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