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This is what BYD considers the "free stuff.:

A 50KW DC Fast Charger may not be fast enough for some folks, but technically any charger that is a "DC", repeat, DC charger is a Fast Charger even if it's a mere DC 25KW fast charger. These DC chargers feed DC vs AC current to the EV DC charging port. AC chargers are limited to 22KW which feed AC current to the EV AC charging port where the EV's onboard charger then converts it to DC current...and 22KW and 11KW AC chargers require three phase power which most homes/locations do not have especially in Thailand. So, AC chargers are typically single phase 7KW chargers. Additionally, even when "most" EVs are hooked up to say a 22KW three phase AC charger the EV will only charge at approx 7KW since most EVs AC charging ports/onboard chargers are designed to only accept single phase AC current....and if hooked to a 3 phase 11KW AC charger most EVs will only charge at around 3.6KW once again due to the EV being designed to only accept single phase AC current. Note: I said "most" EVs especially for most EV sold in countries which predominately use single phase AC power (like Thailand), but in some countries where 3 phase home power is common then more EVs come with 3 phase charging capability. Varies from country to country, EV model to model as to if AC three phase charging is available. And another important thing that must be considered is the EV battery's "charging curve"...that is the max charging rate the EV throughout its charge level even if hooked up to say a 150KW charger vs a 50KW charger. While a DC charger may be able to pump out 150KW if the EV max charging rate is say 80KW then 80KW will be the max the charger will pump out for "part of the charging time (not all)." Below is the BYD Atto 3 60KWH battery charging curve using a 50KW and 150KW DC chargers. The blue line on the chart is the charging rate/curve with a 150KW charger and the yellow line is the charge rate/curve with a 50KW charger. Although the 150KW charger is three times more powerful than a the 50KW charger the 150KW charger will charge the EV from 10 to 80% only 16 minutes faster than a 50KW charger due to the EV charging curve that varies throughout the battery's charge level. Typically an EV battery will only charge at its "maximum" charge rate up until reach approx 40 to 60% charge level and then the EV starts limiting/stepping down the charge rate. Unless racing to the next charger hundreds of kilometers down the road a 50KW DC fast charger is just fine....a 90KW charger like a lot of EA Anywhere DC Fast Chargers is better....and finding higher level DC charger gets hard to do because a 50 to 90KW DC Fast Charger is just fine and fast for most any EV due to current EV "battery charging curves." Newer technology batteries will bring much fast charging curves but that still down the road after cutting thru all the battery and EV manufacturers' hype. Charge Curve for a BYD Atto 3 60KWH battery.

Outlets like you are talking about are typically a 220V/16A (3.5KW) circuits protected by a 20A circuit breaker in the main circuit breaker panel. That outlet may not be dedicated and has other outlets within the house using power off that circuit. What you could use is a portable (a.k.a. granny) charger that is usually a 10A (3.2KW) charger which is probably going to charge an EV at about 2.2 to 2.5KWH due to charging efficiency loss & how the EV onboard charger handles lower charging levels. Assuming some other devices in your home is also using juice on that circuit hopefully you have 10A of juice left over to power the granny charger. I have a BYD Atto with 60KWH battery and had to use the BYD provided 10A (3.2KW) granny charger for several weeks before I got my 7KW wall charger installed on a dedicated 40A line. When using the granny charger it would charge at a 2.2KWH rate which means it would take approx 27 hours to charge the EV battery from 0 to 100% which would give me a 480Km NEDC range (but more like 440Km real world). But say you only drive the EV say 44Km/day which would use approx 10% of your EV charge assuming it has a 60KW battery....to recharge that 10% with a granny charger it would take about 3 hours....or approx (rough) every 1 hour of charging adds 3% charge to the battery. Charge overnight say for 10 hours and you can gain approx 30% charge/approx 130Km range. Summary: a person can definitely get by just using a granny charger for typical day-to-day driving but you are going to be charging a lot with that slow granny charger if you want to keep the EV charge topped-up to nearly full charge.

Those prices should place some real pressure on BYD Atto and Dolphin sales.

Yes...understand. But it always good to see other tax specialists reconfirming the LTR visa enjoys tax exempt status. Cheers.

This thread stresses that following the correct MG ZS EV boot process is very important to getting the Ready to Drive indication. https://www.mgevs.com/threads/difficulty-to-put-car-in-ready-mode.15617/

OK, I think I understand now....this happens "right after you complete a charge using a PEA charger?" I wonder if the PEA charger "communications" is confusing the car....making the car think the battery is too warm but really it's not. If it was really too warm even after a car reset the car should sense the battery temperature as being too warm "if it really was too warm. About the only way to get a better idea is to use some non-PEA chargers (e.g., PTT, EA Anywhere, etc) to see if you can duplicate the issue. Issues like this can all too often be a pain to narrow down.

Thanks. And for others listening in it's at the 50 min 28 sec point in the video where it says income is tax exempt for LTR visa holders.

Don't understand your statement of ".....car wasn't ready to drive..." I used PEA Volta with my BYD Atto seven times in January (most of them brief tests of a few minutes) and two times in December (once again two brief tests) with no problems. In each case there was no queuing....I just drove right up to the charger and began charging. In fact, with Autocharge now setup I just plug the connector into the Atto and after around 30 to 45 seconds with zero use of the Volta app or pushing any button on the charger the charging begins.

Can you walk me thru your math and provide a link(s) to the source data? More detail on the underlying numbers and formula you used is needed. Thanks.

And just to add more detail to the chart in Bandersnatch's post above the chart below from the same census report reflects the "number" of detached houses, town/row housing, and condo/apartments. Like around 20 million detached houses compared to only 2 million condos/apartments. "In Thailand" the great majority of the population does not live in condo/apartment type structures although for those who do live in high-rise condo/apartments in places like Bangkok/Pattaya/Phuket/etc., and who don't really travel around Thailand they can fall into a mindset of thinking most everyone in Thailand lives in condos/apartments which is incorrect. Now, more and more are slowly moving to urban centers which is in turn increases the number of condos/apartments, but that is a slow, generational process. With around three-quarters of the housing structure types in Thailand being "detached houses" the addition of solar to the house pretty much boils down just wanting and having the money to install solar. And this would probably be ditto for most townhouse/row house structures (around 18% in Thailand).

I expect this guy has since switched to an EV vs his old ICEV.

Number of commercial EV Chargers in Thailand as of 30 Sep 2023 and 31 Dec 2023. Note the healthy increase. https://evat.or.th/ev-information/current-status/index As DC Fast Chargers (DC CCS2 connector) is what the great majority of EV drivers are looking for when going on trips please note the number of DC Fast Chargers (CCS2) has increased from 3,540 to 4,173 (an 18% increase) in just three months with the majority if this increase occurring at PTT EV Station Pluz and PEA charger locations. Yeap, more and more PTT stations are displaying the blue "EV" sign on their main entrance sign. And the number of locations with a EV charger (DC or AC) has increased from 2,222 to 2,658....a 20% increase. Now does this mean a charger is close to where you live? Well, it depends on where you live. But if you live in or close to any city or travelling on major highways then there is probably a charger(s) not too far away. And yes, more chargers are needed in rural Thailand, small towns, etc....and the charts below show chargers numbers are growing at a healthy pace. See below charts for 30 Sep 2023 and 31 Dec 2023. As of 30 Sep 2023 As of 31 Dec 2023

https://www.quora.com/Do-you-think-all-electric-vehicles-will-last-as-long-or-longer-than-conventional-internal-combustion-engines-vehicles-Why-or-why-not Herve Babey What is the argument behind the belief that high tech electric vehicles may not last as long as traditional internal combustion engine automobiles? Several decades ago, the automotive industry witnessed a significant shift as internal combustion engine cars started integrating electronic components, replacing traditional carburetors with fuel injection, and introducing features like power steering, braking, and traction control. However, this technological advancement came with a downside – some drivers found themselves unable to perform DIY car repairs, and troubleshooting electronic faults became a challenging task. This perception still lingers in today’s automotive market. Despite people’s familiarity with using PCs, smartphones, or highly reliable watches, doubts persist. Modern internal combustion engine cars boast a multitude of aging small processors. On average, each car incorporates around 100 electronic control units (ECUs) managing various functions through 100 different pieces of software, communicating along a CAN bus. While electronic failures in contemporary cars are less common than mechanical ones, the enduring belief that electronics are prone to failure persists. In contrast, electric vehicles (EVs) exhibit highly reliable electric motors, yet their electronic sophistication surpasses that of traditional cars. Three software layers, supported by cutting-edge processors and even artificial intelligence processors, govern various aspects such as infotainment, battery management, and autonomous driving systems connected to cameras, sensors, and radars. EVs stand as technological marvels compared to their internal combustion engine counterparts, akin to the contrast between iPhones and basic Nokia cell phones. Despite concerns, the electronics in cars are designed to automotive-grade standards, ensuring superior reliability compared to commercial electronics in PCs or smartphones. Moreover, given that the average daily car usage is around 1 hour, automotive electronics are not only more reliable but are also utilized far less than their commercial counterparts, contributing to their robust performance.

Below article adds a lot of additional info regarding Shell's overall/future view regarding EVs and hydrogen powered vehicles (at this time Shell doesn't see hydrogen powered vehicles as being cost competitive but maybe in the future ). IMO we are in a transition period kinda similar to the early 1900s when people transitioned from horse & buggy travel to combustion engine travel....took 20 to 30 years for most all livery stables to be replaced by gas stations....it will also take decades for charging stations to replace the great majority of gas stations. See article for full story...but a few partial quotes are included below the link. https://insideevs.com/news/713296/shell-closes-1000-gas-stations-to-focus-on-ev-charging/#:~:text=In its Energy Transition Strategy,in response to customer needs.” “We believe growth in oil demand is set to slow in the second half of this decade and could start falling in the 2030s because of increasing vehicle efficiency and growth in electric vehicles," the company said in the report. Like several other market forecasts, Shell is expecting EV sales to soar in the coming years. “Today there are around 40 million such vehicles (BEVs and PHEVs) on the roads, with up to 275 million expected by 2030. The availability of charging points will be critical for the growth in electric vehicles." Shell’s messaging is pretty clear at this point. The entire report is filled with buzzwords like electric vehicles, charging, and decarbonization. Shell believes that in the future, gas will only play a “backup role because many industrial processes require a high reliability of power supply.”

BYD servers and the car need an internet connection to talk to each other....either Wifi or mobile. JBChiangRai has not mentioned since he raised his question regarding is his Seal's firmware/software up to date as to if he uses the BYD App and if he can "currently" make a connection to the car with the BYD app (which requires an internet connection) to check on tire pressure, is the car locked, etc. Maybe you know his BYD app is currently connecting to the his car....but I don't know that since he didn't say anything about the BYD app currently making a connection. If he uses the BYD app he should be able to check to see if he has a connection to the car even from Vietnam if the app is on the phone he has right now. If he does use the app and can check things like tire pressure, charge level, etc., then he has either a Wifi or mobile connection right now and "should" be able to get a notification that a software update is available. I think that level of communications is done at a very basic level....very little information going back and forth between the servers and car. I think it's done similarly to how a person can use phone dial codes to ping your mobile service provider to check on on certain things like balance, data used, just very basic stuff that such a ping/inquiry will return a reply...just a simple code query retrieves certain information like is your software up to date or not. HOWEVER, BUT, when it come to actually downloading the OTA update which is many megabytes of data that a Wifi/mobile connection is needed. And I remember reading somewhere that these OTA updates do not count against a person's monthly 2GB data allotment. Just for example a variety of things besides a Wifi/mobile connection issues can cause BYD OTA updates not to arrive...like below info from the New Zealand BYD website. https://www.bydauto.co.nz/news/byd-ota-over-the-air-updates HOWEVER, even

See below weblink for the full CNBC article. https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/22/byd-seagull-ev-puts-global-auto-execs-politicians-on-edge.html

Be sure to confirm you indeed have a Wifi connection.....and check to make sure the mobile data is also turned on. I notice just last week my mobile data was turned off....I had to turn it back on....I probably turned it off by mistake when playing around with infotainment settings.

Yeap....quite understandable. Best to avoid letting the EV charge get below say around 25% when the trip involves use of DC Fast Chargers because if there is a healthy distance between chargers a person shouldn't try to squeeze too many electrons out of the battery between top-ups as they will surely run into chargers that don't work/not available as hoped. A Murphy's Law will surely strike.

No doubt this happens on some models but assuming a person has an EV with a range of say at least 400Km and they let the charge get down to only 12Km (which was probably only about 3% charge remaining), well, they probably deserve to "run out of juice" on the road.

I have a BYD Atto Extended Range (60KW battery). It has a 480 NEDC or 420WLTP range rating. Realworld I get around 440Km in combined city and highway driving. A 78Km daily round trip would allow me to make such a trip at least 5 times with some battery left over....or said another way 5 days worth of 78Km trips. If you get stuck in traffic and just inch along for a few hours you will not burn much battery juice....since the electric motor is not needing to power the EV too far since you are stuck in traffic. And why worry about a low battery charge assuming you top-up the charge every few days just to play it safe. Or you can live dangerously and just let the charge get really low....then you'll will want to drink the whole six pack as you will be piss444ed at yourself.

Check out below Thailand EV Charger thread.

1 . The Volvo EX30 EV is just fine. Also checkout/test drive the BYD Atto 3. Just be sure to visit showrooms "and do test drives" of various EVs. Lots of cut-throat pricing for ICEV and EV right now so be sure to watch for promotions/sales. 2. Plenty of DC Fast Chargers for long trips. A DC Fast Charger will charge your EV from 0 to 100% in about an hour. 3. For a wall charger your home will need to have 100A service or you will need to have a second set of power lines and at least 45A meter installed. To determine what service you have go look at the PEA/MEA electric meter for your house....if it says something like 30/100A or 30(100)A that means you have 100A service. But if it says something smaller like 15/45A, 5/15A, etc., then you would have to have a second set of lines and a 15/45A meter run to your house to power the wall charger which requires 32A. If you have a 15/45A service for your home you'll still need to upgrade of 30/100A "or" install a second 15/45A circuit/meter dedicated to the wall charger. ***You definitely want a wall charger as it makes charging your EV as easy as charging your smartphone....and you'll probably find out you'll rarely need to use a DC Fast Charger on trips unless they are stretching out to say a "radius" of 150-200 Km or more assuming you buy an EV with a 400-500Km range. Good luck.

Do you have a car to home Wifi connection setup when parked at home and/or do you have the car's mobile data turned on? If you don't have a Wifi or mobile connection when doing a software update check you will never receive an update as BYD is not able to talk to your EV.....nor would would the firmware/software notification magically appear one day even if you don't do any manual latest software check. You would need to go to the dealer to get the software update.

This link below in the comments of the 2nd video gives more details. As of 18 March 2024 an OTA update will need to be finalized and released. When? Who knows. Link to full details: https://teknikensvarld-expressen-se.translate.goog/nyheter/bil-och-trafik/elbil-laddhybrid/efter-vart-test-byd-atgardar-fyrhjulsdrivna-seal/?_x_tr_sl=sv&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=sv&_x_tr_pto=wapp Partial Quote from link: