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https://www.evfiresafe.com/what-is-an-ev-battery#:~:text=In a passenger electric vehicle,rectangle or 'T" shape.&text=Commercial %26 public transport electric vehicles,the roof of the vehicle.
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Also, regarding the bus and if the traction battery was located on the top of the bus, the fire resulted from the top of the bus crashing into a bridge overhang beam. When a vehicle crashes into things fires can start as electrical wiring, fuels, etc., can short, catch on fire.
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Thai EV sales surge by 603% amid government incentives
Pib replied to webfact's topic in Thailand News
Take another look at the chart regarding the total number of DC Fast Chargers which is 356 ChadeMo chargers "plus" 3,540 CCS2 chargers for a total of 3,896 DC Fast Chargers. You may wonder why so few ChadeMo DC Fast chargers? Well, that's because ChadeMo is primarily used in Japan and not many EVs currently sold outside of Japan are sold with ChadeMo connectors but sold with CCS2 connectors. ChadeMo is pretty much being relegated to a Japan-only charging connector disappearing from new EVs sold outside of Japan. For "most" of hundreds of countries around the world like in Thailand the CCS2 DC Fast Connector is used. Regrading PEA chargers, while many PEA office have chargers there are many PEA DC Fast Chargers along major roadways....I have frequently used PEA DC Fast Chargers. And I prefer the PEA Fast Charger since the have a feature called AutoCharge which makes charging an EV very, very easy....just plug the EV into the DC Fast Charger and it will start charging automatically without the need to scan a QR code on the charger and press a variety of icons/buttons on the charger or charging app....pretty much just like charging your smartphone. All you need is a AutoCharge compatible EV (like my BYD Atto 3), money in your PEA Wallet, and the Autocharge setting turned on in the PEA app. Yes, as literally as easy as charging your smartphone. And if a person doesn't like using PEA, then use DC Fast Chargers from other companies like PTT, EA Anywhere, Elexa by EGAT, etc...etc....etc....plenty for longer trips along major roadways. Chart showing various Charging Port Types. And regarding the Tesla port/cable, in Thailand, EU, and some other other countries Tesla EVs are sold with a CCS2 charging port vs the standard Tesla port like used in the US. Yea, CCS2 pretty much rules in terms of most widely being used in the many countries around planet Earth although in China the GB/T connector is primarily used and in North America the CCS1 connector (older cousin to the CCS2 connector) is primarily used. And like with many cables, there are adapters' you can buy and/or come with the EV which allows use different types of DC Fast Charging connectors. -
Thai EV sales surge by 603% amid government incentives
Pib replied to webfact's topic in Thailand News
Some incorrect info above. There an many DC Fast Chargers (i.e., 25KW or higher...typically 50KW or higher) around Thailand...almost as many as AC commercial chargers (i.e. slow chargers typically 7 to 11KW). With a DC Fast Charger you can typically charge to 100% in approx one hour. See chart below reflecting commercial chargers as of Sep 2023 around Thailand. More than enough for long trips. Typically a home EV wall charger is a "single phase"/32A/7KW charger. That is the most common wall charger. The portable charger (i.e., granny charger) that many new EV come to carry around in the EV if desired are are typically single phase 2.2KW/10A chargers...plug right into any 16A home outlet....just like plugging-in a table lamp. Takes a long time to charge with such a low power charger....that's why it nicknamed a "granny" charger. Now when you start talking 11KW and 22KW chargers that when "you must have three phase" power....and of course an EV that supports 3 phase charging....most do not. Most only support single phase AC charging....and almost all also support "DC Fast Charging." -
I've owned a BYD Atto 3 since late Oct 2023/almost 9,000Km ago. Build quality is very good....I haven't had any problems (knock on wood...my head)....the Atto is smooth, quiet, and extremely fuel efficient vehicle--just a nice ride. It's now my primary vehicle but my 2009 Toyota Fortuner 3.0L diesel that I bought new I'm keeping as my secondary vehicle since it still looks & runs great and seems like a family member...plus, the wife and I just like having two vehicles....but the Fortuner now only gets driven once or twice a month for a few kilometers to circulate the fluids and charge the battery. This is my first EV. Up until mid 2023 I was hesitant/leery of EVs mostly because I really hadn't researched them (i.e., hadn't studied-up on them, some fear of the unknown, etc). But I researched, googled, watched many, many Youtube videos (including the ones openly and deceptively hate on EVs), went to EV dealerships to look at/test drive EVs and I was won over. I seriously doubt I will even buy another combustion vehicle (ie., ICEV). So as you do more research rest assured you will fine a lot of good and bad info on the internet/social media regarding EVs....and in some cases the info provided is simply incorrect, dated, biased. And there are also groups/lobbyists/individuals who intentionally propagate incorrect/misleading info regarding EVs--and yea, there are also some who will try to make EVs sound perfect which EVs are not....you'll just have to do your best to filter out such info. Keep in mind that EVs are not for everyone especially for someone who cannot charge at home as going to a charging station once or twice a week can get old...takes time. But if having a home wall charger which are often provided & installed free by the EV dealership then keeping the EV charged is as easy as keeping your smartphone charged. In closing, there has been real cut-throat price cutting happening in Thailand over the last few months for EVs "and ICEVs"....that is, electric and combustion vehicles as an overall slump in vehicles sales (ICEV & EV) is happening right now....how long the slump and price cutting will last is anyone's guess....but it will end....maybe a few months from now....or maybe ???? The following two Thai websites are good sites to keep abreast of the price cuts and new models coming out. Good luck. https://autolifethailand.tv/ https://www.car250.com/
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Current price of electricity to be extended until August – Energy Minister
Pib replied to snoop1130's topic in Thailand News
The article is really only talking the Fuel Tariff (Ft) rate per KWH used. The Ft is reviewed/adjusted every 4 months for Jan-Apr, May-Aug, and Sep-Dec....been that way for a l....o.....n.....g time. The Ft is then added onto the basic electricity rate per KWH....toss-in monthly meter fee and 7% VAT and you have the total cost per KWH. -
Sometimes it just means it was an article originally from a Paywall website as articles from such Paywall sites can be archived to certain archive sites and then magically the article can be read on that archive site without hitting a paywall. Below is "just an example" of many such websites to further explain how archive sites get around Paywalls....and of course if the article is not on any archive website then the article is still only available on the original Paywall site. https://www.removepaywall.com/
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Living next to a factory/refinery/pig farm/etc.,...regardless of what its making...is something I hope I never have to experience. Just too many possible pollutants that can appear in the air, soil, and/or water....and even if the pollutants are supposedly within safe limits a person will always have the feeling that maybe those govt limits are not really safe or are not accurate.
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Keep in mind there are two types of pollutants: gaseous and particulate. Tire particulate pollution as being talked occurs as vehicles roll down. And of course if you want to go back upstream the manufacturing of tires causes more particulate pollution along with gaseous pollution.
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Don't worry about that....get some mud flaps put on your Seal EV triple-ASAP to cut down on EV tire particulates being thrown into the air and causing pollution. I've already got mud flaps on my Atto. 😀
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Suzuki needs to do something to sell more Ciaz as right now very few are sold in Thailand...below are Thailand Feb 2024 registrations for Ciaz....a total of 27. Feb 2024 Registrations
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Keep in mind the article/study is talking a certain type of "particulate matter" like tiny pieces of dust, dirt, soot, smoke, etc.,...and yes even from EV and ICEV tires as they roll down the road creating small rubber particles where approx 90% ends up in the oceans and the remaining 10% can become airborne. Yes, EVs produce particulate matter pollution from tires as the run down the road just like ICEV do. But what EVs do not do is produce the following types of gaseous and other particulate pollution (at bottom of post) from their tailpipes (hint: EVs don't do the combustion thing nor have tailpipes) as ICEV do. Above tire particulate pollution article and similar ones regarding tire pollution has flared-up recent only because certain industry/lobby groups are trying to slow down/bog down some new U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) vehicle pollution rules...and these groups hope by focusing on particulate matter from tires (kinda like grasping at straws) they can slow/bog down other environmental rules changes in the same package.
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Below Trading Economics stats website shows a pretty flat 10 year "trend" for new car sales in Thailand....just a very slight downward trend. Now there are big year-to-year spikes & dips caused by various factors as typical for many stats on whatever a person is tracking like the stock markets...but the trend long term trend so far has been pretty flat. Me thinks with population having peaked a few years ago and now on a downward trend and more & more people moving to cities where rapid transit/buses/taxis/etc., is more available reducing the need for a private car that vehicle "sales in Thailand" has probably already peaked. Now if Thailand turns into a vehicle production hub it may end-up producing/exporting more vehicles in the coming years but I don't think "sales within Thailand" will make any major, long term trend upward. Now, I do expect EVs to continue to take a bigger slice of the total vehicles sales/production pie consisting of all types of power vehicles, but the pie will not get any larger on a long term basis. https://tradingeconomics.com/thailand/total-vehicle-sales
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Don't understand your response. The chart shows 302 Seals registered in Feb.
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Looks like Thailand New Vehicle "Registrations" for Feb 2024 took a dive from Jan 2024. According to data released this morning on the DLT Statistics webpage Feb 2024 registrations in the RY1 category (private passenger vehicles carrying 7 or less...ICEV, EV, etc) 47,063 new vehicles were registered of which 3,529 being EVs.....this compared to 65,067 in Jan 2024 of which 13,314 being EVs. Yeap, total new RY1 registrations from Jan to Feb dropping from 65,067 to 47,063 which is a 28% drop. And of within that total number EV registrations dropping from 13,314 to 3,529 which is a 73% drop. HOWEVER, BUT, I expect the big EV registrations drop is predominantly due to the the government's EV Subsidy Program 3.0 ending 31 Dec 2023 which required sales made by 31 Dec 2023 to complete the registration process by 31 Jan 2024 in order to receive the higher subsidy amount. So, Jan EV sales/registrations are surely distorted by the more generous EV 3.0 subsidy program ending and being replaced by the less generous EV 3.5 program. That is, a big push to get EVs sales "registered" by 31 Jan 2024 which effectively sapped registrations from near future months Examples of total sales by some of the EV and ICEV manufacturers follow: EV Manf Jan 2024 Feb 2024 BYD 7,806 1,068 NETA 2,013 216 ORA 333 87 Tesla 52 670 Now above was EV manufacturers, but the below ICEV manufacturers registrations fell also. ICEV Manf Jan 2024 Feb 2024 Honda 11,073 9,616 Isuzu 6,904 5,178 Toyota 20,338 16,562 Also keep in mind that vehicles sales in China/Thailand generally dip in the very first part of the year....been a trend for years. Will be interesting to see how EV sales fair over the coming months under the new EV 3.5 subsidy program and frequently occurring big price cuts/promotions. These price cuts are probably going to make many people setback for a while to see how far the prices go down....nothing more dis-satisfying that buying a car this month only to see it new price drop by a big amount the following month under a new promotion.
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But on a serious note regarding how much energy "regen" braking can return to a battery/extend an EV range, below is a snapshot from a Youtube video where a guy calculates how much energy his BYD Atto 3 recovers from regen braking. He came up with a figure of 25% based on his driving in Australia....he indicated he does a lot of stop & go driving....probably similar to my driving here in the greater Bangkok area....the land of stop & go driving. A link to his 4 minute video along with a snapshot of the calculation page walks a person thru the calculation. I did the same calculation for my Atto 3 this morning by plugging in an OBD2 adapter to get the "Accumulated Discharge Energy" number....other required numbers such as kilometers driven and energy consumption per 100Km is available right in the EV's Infortainment New Energy menu where key consumption data is displayed. Anyway, I have driven the Atto 8,735Km and it shows 12.6Km is consumed per 100Km. That means it consumes 0.126Kw per each kilometer. - So, 0.161 X 8735 = approx 1101KWH - OBD2 Accumulated Discharge Energy number of 1531KWH - This is a difference of 430KWH (i.e., 1531 - 1101 = 430KWH - 430 divided by 1531 = 28% of energy discharged came from regen braking. Link to below video (around 4 minutes long).....shows the method of regen braking calculation
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What wasn't addressed in the U9 range was the impact of its super "regen braking." My super computer (a Commodore 64 loaded-up with all known mathematical formulas) confirmed the U9 is "almost" a perpetual motion machine. Although at top speed of 300KmH the battery is drained fast once the regen braking kicks in (i.e., drifting for miles & miles after reaching 300KmH) all that kinetic energy converted back to electrical energy allows the battery to recover 97% of discharged energy....that is, the battery gets almost fully recharged. The U9 is ready to repeat its burst of speed-up, drifting, & regen braking over-and-over. My super computer projects the U9 could circle the Earth eight times before that repeated 3% overall energy loss would completely drain the battery. Awesome range with regen braking. And I agree with mistral53 that the U9 interior is a bad (ugly) design IMO....I thought that even before he posted....but maybe that design is to help protect the passengers during reentry (i.e., regen braking). 😄😉😊
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Car sales in China are typically weak the first few months of each year....usually take a big dip in sales....been going on for a long time. I guess people don't want to buy cars just before/during Chinese New Year. https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/china/motor-vehicles-sales
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From looking at the projected specs in the article (link at bottom) there is no dual motor/AWD. Same traction battery size...same motor/torque......just minor changes like a slightly larger Infortainment display, some new cosmetic/color options, etc. With the same battery and motor sizes as the current Extended Range Atto which has 480Km NEDC range since the mid year model is being called Performance 480 I'm assuming the range will still be 480Km. And assuming the Bt100K cash back program is still around the price would be Bt100K cheaper than the current Extended Range (60KWH battery) Atto. Seems to be pretty much a visit to the beauty shop for some slightly differently makeup and hair color which is nice....but still basically the same lady underneath the paint. And regarding the new exterior color of Black, in my opinion black don't usually look that great on many small to mid size vehicles like the Atto....but will have to wait and see what it actually looks like. Now in my opinon on many full size vehicles/SUVs/sedans black looks great...heck, that's why the the wife and I bought a black Fortuner....and if I had bought a Seal instead of an Atto we would have surely got the Seal in black. But color preference for cars, houses, clothes, etc., is a highly personal thing and varies greatly among individuals. More color choices the better as that means more people can get exactly the color they really wanted....and I expect BYD is coming out with a black Atto since many people have asked for a black color. Give the people what they want. https://autolifethailand.tv/byd-atto-3-my2024-cosmos-black-dark-blue-hong-kong/
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Another Update After More Atto Driving: - This was 243Km worth of driving in the greater Bangkok area and a couple bordering provinces....city and highway driving with the bulk being highway driving in the 70-90KmH ballpark. All driving in ECO mode...A/C at 22C...two people in the car. At 45% charge remaining I had gone 243Km and the display said I had 217Km range remaining which equates to a total range of 460Km. Now when I use another method to estimate total range like I did in my earlier post/range testing where I use the charge percentage to extrapolate/ratio the range the total range would be 442Km. So, for my most recent driving the total range is in the 460Km to 442Km ballpark which is very similar to the 473Km to 464Kn range estimate in my earlier reported driving test. The Atto is now being charged back to 100% for at least several hundred kilometers worth of traveling this coming weekend. Yea, my Atto with my driving style seems to be able to reach/exceed its WLTP range rating of 420Km...but not the NEDC range rating of 480Km. But if it was limited to city driving in the 30-50Kmh ballpark where most EVs are the most fuel efficient with no A/C it probably would get/exceed a 480Km range just like BYD advertises. But who wants to drive around with the A/C turned off in 35-40C weather other than maybe someone with horns, red flesh, and a pointed tale.
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This guy must be driving downhill all the time. My 2009 Fortuner 3.0L diesel gets 10.4Km/liter based on my combined city and highway driving....I was getting 10.4Km/L when it was new and many years later in 2024 it still gets 10.4Km. But hey, maybe the 2.8L is a lot more fuel efficient than the older 3.0L diesel engine.