thaibeachlovers

Yes, the British needn't feel special about their declining economy, it's a world wide trend based on high government debts, corrupt banking systems, money printing and ridiculously low interest rates.

Some countries are worse off than others but the general trend is the generational paradigm shift of wealth from the poor and middle class to the uber rich.

Asset classes are going up and wages going down, really does look like we are moving back to a feudalistic society where the ruling class own it all and are immune to the law. Will the widespread surveillance, welfare, the controlled media and Swat style police forces keep it all going this time around?

It's been seen many times in sci fi films. Maybe this time it will be for real.

Mandatory overtime for over 8 hours a day.

Mandatory 30 days sick days a year

Mandatory 30 days pay per month

Mandatory 15 paid holidays per year

Mandatory 30 days notice to terminate

Mandatory severance pay

Minimum wage has doubled in the last few years

I work for a pretty typical company compensation wise, and everyone gets monthly bonuses and allowances, and an annual bonus of one to four months pay, this year it was 89 days pay.

Yes, working conditions here are hideous.

If that is in LOS, it applies to a miniscule number of workers. Most get NO paid overtime, though they do extra work at standard rate, no sick leave, paid only for days worked.

everyone gets monthly bonuses and allowances, and an annual bonus of one to four months pay, this year it was 89 days pay.

555555555555555555555555555 What a laugh. Have you never gotten out of Bkk and talked to people in the villages and small towns where most Thais live?

15 days hols a year, my wife never seems to get that many days holiday- I'll ask her next time I phone her, 30 days notice ditto, severance pay ditto.

If you think the rice workers in Nakhon Nowhere get full minimum wage you need to get a out a bit more.

My wife is from a village in the far north east where they grow rice, so she should know. Now she works for a major Thai company.

OK, so I asked my wife.

She worked for a big Thai company or over 2 years and got about 200 baht severance pay. Yes, she had to give 30 days notice. She only got 7 days a year holiday.

A little bit closer to home, it sure seems to have affected the winter temperatures here in Thailand. In over 10 years, this is the warmest winter I remember.

what part of Thailand are you in?

down here in Hua Hin we have had months of cool weather. it is really wonderful.

the Thai ladies are shivering and wearing sweaters.

My wife up near Chiang Mai always tells me it is too cold when I call her.

It's supposed to be a drought in NZ, but I guess they forgot to inform the weather god of that. Was raining for over 24 hours.

Actually, refugee status is usually conferred on everyone in a particular household. Thus, you can have more than just parents and children. It may include grandparents as well as others. The trick is to actually show that they were all apart of the same household. It's not uncommon for people to try to 'sneak' a cousin or two and the occasional aunt.

If you can provide evidence that it was one household, then they are all allowed resettlement.

Just about everyone on this forum talks to the economic cost of permitting family reunion as one of their core objection, though the reality is 100% based upon anti-Muslim sentiment (visceral hatred of Muslims in general). As stated above & below is the criteria published by the German government; I understand the same policy also applies to some other countries.

Provided that the refugee is able to support him/herself and provide accommodation for the additional family members i.e. no welfare support.

I don't hate them because they are Muslim, I just don't want them in my country popping out babies as fast as they can to change our way of life. I don't want a mosque next door blaring out the call to prayer on loudspeakers at dawn ( did Mohammed have a loudspeaker? ), I don't want women in Burqas on the street, I don't want Sharia law in any shape or form, I don't want so called honour killings because their daughters look at an infidel boy. I don't hate them, but I don't like their culture and I don't want it in the west. We drove them out in the middle ages and I don't want them sneaking in again by the back door.

PS, Provided that the refugee is able to support him/herself and provide accommodation for the additional family members i.e. no welfare support.

If anyone believes that that will be enforced, I have a bridge for sale.

The only people that will be enforced on are white men trying to bring Thai partners to their own countries.

"There is no question that the influx of so many people will still demand more from us."--

Yes, especially your money, you foolish woman. About 17 billion euros, it appears, for this year alone.

Germany's federal states are planning to spend around 17 billion euros (12.6 billion pounds) on dealing with the refugee crisis in 2016, the newspaper Die Welt said on Tuesday, citing a survey it conducted among their finance ministries. The sum, bigger than the 15.3 billion euros that the central government planned to allocate to its education and research ministry in 2015, is a measure of the strain that the influx is causing across the country as a whole.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-europe-migrants-germany-costs-idUKKBN0UC02820151229

That is the lemon next to the pie. Wait until 2030, when all extended family members have arrived to claim their "jizya"(tax infidels must pay to their islamic masters) or welfare as Europeans call it. It is probably illegal to show the estimated cost of this, and after a weeks suspension it's not worth it, the info is out there for anyone interested. Their block votes against the divided caucazoid votes will also yield surprising results for the left, females and homosexuals at the same time.

There will be no "extended family members", if at all, family means spouse and children, that's it.

Liked the European notion in your post, though.

Why should ANY family members be allowed to join them? They abandoned them to a fate they did not want to accept themselves- b****y cowards. Either they should have travelled together, or they should be treated as separate individuals and put into separate camps. Put them together and they will be popping out new babies as fast as possible for the western states to support.

Why are our so called leaders so stupid that they can't see what they are doing with their moronic strategy of taking them into Europe, instead of supporting them in Turkey at a fraction of the price they will cost in Euro, plus no social disruption in Euro?

Is Merkel "outlining" how she is destroying the fabric of her own country? I would guess not.

The truth is Algeria and most of the world's developing (or maybe not developing) states would be far better off as would their peoples if run by white European administrators. However such a truth does not play well to the gallery these days.

Actually, better if run by Singaporeans. They have run the most successful small country in the world. Compared to them, the western world is run by a bunch of incompetent kindie kids.

I think you are referring to an age gone by when British administrators of the colonised world were far, far better men than any of the petty minded bureaucrats that infest government departments today.

March 4th 2004, I got off the boat here. There are many newbies, I am not one of them.

Have a goof night.

LOL. That's barely time to scratch the surface. It's almost impossible for any foreigner to know or understand much about Thais/ Thai culture regardless of how long he has spent in LOS.

I have spent decades longer in LOS than you and there is more I don't know than I do know, and I don't expect that to change.

Not for nothing are Orientals known as "inscrutable".

We are all "newbies" to some extent regardless of time spent in LOS.

PS, IMO farangs will get know/ understand as much about Thais as any man will ever know/ understand a woman ie sod all.

Mandatory overtime for over 8 hours a day.

Mandatory 30 days sick days a year

Mandatory 30 days pay per month

Mandatory 15 paid holidays per year

Mandatory 30 days notice to terminate

Mandatory severance pay

Minimum wage has doubled in the last few years

I work for a pretty typical company compensation wise, and everyone gets monthly bonuses and allowances, and an annual bonus of one to four months pay, this year it was 89 days pay.

Yes, working conditions here are hideous.

Those would be your particular company work conditions, Not the Thai Labour Dept.

They are all all labor department mandates, except for the last paragraph where I referred to bonuses specific to the company I work for.

Try telling that to the rice field workers of Thailand or the sweat shop workers of Bkk, LOL. Also, vast numbers are self employed in small shops. Affluent company offices in Bkk are not typical of Thailand.

So he fought the French and they left, only to replaced by something as bad or worse. Ironic isn't it?

And how do you know what replaced it was as bad or worse? At least it was Algerian, and the Berber and Arab Algerians never were part of France (well, they have French citizenship now, IIRC). I admit it doesn't look very attractive to me, but did you ever watch the movie Battle for Algiers?

So it's better to be killed by your own countrymen than foreigners?

From Wikipedia

War of independence up to 152,863 dead

Civil war up to 150,000 dead

Hence "as bad as".

If this means less Russians in Thailand i am all for it. Now if the Euro would crash that would be even better.

Thailand should offer special heavily discounted rates to Russians to keep that market ticking over. Pattaya is the destination of choice, so it should be the focus of the discount campaign

STUFF THAT!!!!!!!

Why should a Russian get a cheaper hotel than I just because of nationality?

Here's an idea- offer heavily discounted rates to ALL, regardless of where they come from. Prices have risen far too high in the past few years anyway, and are not worth it for a clapped out broken infrastructure dump of a town with a polluted beach and 2 derelict beach walkways.

Britain’s growth revised downwards suggesting recovery losing momentum

Britain never had a recovery from the 2008 crash.

The only thing it has had is smoke and mirrors from desperate politicians.

The "recovery" touted in such places as UK and the US were pure fantasy. There was not recovery, only further speculation. "Smoke and mirrors" is about it; nothing but more fiat economics unbound to any intrinsic value. As another said, the West will never recover out of this unless drastic steps are taken to repudiate the politics that underlies this economic madness.

There will NEVER be a recovery in the west, such as was known before. Expect a new underclass of youths that will never be employed.

Why?

Because most of the unskilled jobs have been or are being outsourced to cheap labour countries ( listen to Trump on that- he is right ), companies in countries like Australia are trying to import cheap labour from China rather than employ locals, jobs that used to require many workers are now being done by one or two ( see what has happened to farming in the past 50 years ) and whatever low skilled jobs are left will soon be mechanised. The robot revolution is happening without any fanfare or publicity, but it is real- even film actors are in danger of becoming superseded by a computer program ( just look at Avatar ). So the same technology that drives everyone's stupidphone is what is going to make them unable to afford one in the future.

Glad I lived most of my life before the poo really hits the rotating device, glad I lived before I was replaced by a machine, glad I never had children to suffer.

Except during hot season....too brutal to do too much especially if not already in decent shape...asking for heat stroke or heart attack

A young man would have to be incredibly unfit for the heat to be that bad a problem. Just wear a hat and drink lots of water. I was walking for over 4 hours in middle of the day when in Thailand on holidays, and I was in my 40s, not very fit.

Whatever, energy in has to be less or equal to energy out to maintain/ lose weight. If putting on weight, eat less or expend more energy- it's very simple. It's not necessary to do strenuous exercise, but just doing a little bit is pointless. If it were necessary to do strenuous exercise I'd be the size of a bus, and I'm not.

4 hours in the middle of the day at 35 celsius or higher ?...I'm afraid the heat has already affected your memory because I am calling BS on that right now.

If he has acclimatized to the tropical heat, wearing a hat, proper clothing for the tropics, drinking plenty of water...... why not 4 hour walk in the middle of day in 35C? I did the same... at higher heat... at the age of 61. If you are acclimatized, dressed properly for the heat and climate, drinking water... no reason you should not be able to.

For someone just arriving in county from a cooler climate.. and/or whose body is not acclimatized... of course not.

Thank you for your support. The only one talking BS is tonray. Obviously he goes around with his eyes shut so he can't see the Thais working outside in the middle of the day 555555555555.

After 2 years the OP should be acclimatised, and anyway he can go to Lumpini in the early morning when it's not too hot to do some walking.

As I obviously don't know your home situation I could be advising wrong, but a possible solution available in LOS would be to have lots of sex. That always cheered me up if I was down. Certainly no shortage of willing participants in your "therapy", and it is good exercise and excellent for losing weight ( worked for me ).

He said before that he dont use prostitutes

Hmmmmm. Don't use prostitutes, stay fat, get diabetes, heart problems, die young, or, give it a try, and maybe slim down and stop being bored. I know what I'd do, but entirely over to the OP what he wants to do.

I'm not talking drug addled skank UK streetwalkers for a quickie behind the dumpster. I'm talking a drop dead gorgeous young lovely for a week or two on a great beach.

This is not the first time this thing has happened in Dubai, and sadly it will not be the last. Luxury hotels are built with the cheapest labour in the world and the standards are none.

I agree with the comment on the labor but the construction standards?????? you are dealing with one of the world's most respected developers here (same company that built the Burj Kalifa.

Having worked for EMAAR a few years ago; I am 100% sure that every Occ Health and Safety issue, Fire Drill and precaution was in place.

No fatalities have been reported on international news chalnnels which further supports the above opinion

It would appear that the UAE Fire and Safety code was hopelessly inadequate to the extent that flammable cladding was allowed to be used in the construction of hundreds of high-rise buildings in the UAE.

This was finally recognised in 2013 when the F&S code was updated to require that external cladding be fire resistant. Unfortunately this only applies to new buildings. Hence the Dubai Marina Torch building (unfortunate name!) fire on February 2015 and this recent event at The Address. Needless to say, who would pick up the cost of any retrofit is the issue on such action taking place.

So, I would guess that similar fires will likely happen in the future. That there have been no fatalities is, to my mind, extremely fortunate and may not be the case in future incidents of this nature.

Were all building safety standards in place?

They clearly were not, as this article will testify:

http://www.gulfbusiness.com/articles/insights/dubai-marina-torch-fire-what-next-who-pays/

So much for the "world's most respected developers". Just because the standards were deficient didn't mean that they had to agree to use substandard materials. Riyadh is full of substandard buildings constructed by western companies exploiting the Saudis. No ethics when it comes to making money, obviously.

Mandatory overtime for over 8 hours a day.

Mandatory 30 days sick days a year

Mandatory 30 days pay per month

Mandatory 15 paid holidays per year

Mandatory 30 days notice to terminate

Mandatory severance pay

Minimum wage has doubled in the last few years

I work for a pretty typical company compensation wise, and everyone gets monthly bonuses and allowances, and an annual bonus of one to four months pay, this year it was 89 days pay.

Yes, working conditions here are hideous.

If that is in LOS, it applies to a miniscule number of workers. Most get NO paid overtime, though they do extra work at standard rate, no sick leave, paid only for days worked.

everyone gets monthly bonuses and allowances, and an annual bonus of one to four months pay, this year it was 89 days pay.

555555555555555555555555555 What a laugh. Have you never gotten out of Bkk and talked to people in the villages and small towns where most Thais live?

15 days hols a year, my wife never seems to get that many days holiday- I'll ask her next time I phone her, 30 days notice ditto, severance pay ditto.

If you think the rice workers in Nakhon Nowhere get full minimum wage you need to get a out a bit more.

My wife is from a village in the far north east where they grow rice, so she should know. Now she works for a major Thai company.

just get a hobby that involves walking and physical excercise, simple

Except during hot season....too brutal to do too much especially if not already in decent shape...asking for heat stroke or heart attack

A young man would have to be incredibly unfit for the heat to be that bad a problem. Just wear a hat and drink lots of water. I was walking for over 4 hours in middle of the day when in Thailand on holidays, and I was in my 40s, not very fit.

Whatever, energy in has to be less or equal to energy out to maintain/ lose weight. If putting on weight, eat less or expend more energy- it's very simple. It's not necessary to do strenuous exercise, but just doing a little bit is pointless. If it were necessary to do strenuous exercise I'd be the size of a bus, and I'm not.

Go somewhere less boring maybe.

Well deserved. Bkk is not boring at all I agree. I just hope there are some people who understand me and give some real advise. Your answer is just an easy score. That's ok though, I do the same to other people.

You live in Bkk and are bored!!!!!

Seriously, if you can't find something to occupy yourself in Bkk you should be thinking along the lines of psychological problems, though I don't know if Thailand is the place for a farang to get good psych help.

Drinking is definitely not a good solution to anything, and your weight problems could be due to serious depression issues.

As I obviously don't know your home situation I could be advising wrong, but a possible solution available in LOS would be to have lots of sex. That always cheered me up if I was down. Certainly no shortage of willing participants in your "therapy", and it is good exercise and excellent for losing weight ( worked for me ).

From a western point of view

555555555555555

You ain't in the west, are you?

You may have married a Thai woman, but you don't seem to understand "Thainess".

My Thai wife was asked by her employer to postpone her day off this holiday season because the Billion dollar hotel business she works at is 'busy'.

Instead of asking what's in it for me? Her and all of her colleagues said ok.

When will Thai workers stand up for themselves and say no?

Don't they realise they are being abused? And until they stand up for themselves, pay and working conditions will never change.

From a western point of view they are fools. They're getting nothing in return and clearly their employer is taking the p***.

I know plenty of "western" employees that have and would again do the same if asked of their employer.

Anyway she had a choice, so where is the abuse? She probably got paid for the extra day. Many "westerns" do overtime for no benefits.

Many "westerns" do overtime for no benefits.

Too true. Many nurses in western hospitals do loads of unpaid overtime. I almost never got off work on time; lucky if it was only half an hour.

Think about that next time you are in hospital.

The OP is an example of why western society is c**p now. Everyone in it for themselves and everyone with their hand out. It's why as a rule only older people that grew up with a sense of service volunteer to help others, despite being treated like unwanted scum by the country's bureaucrats.

BTW, my wife works for a large Thai company, and I agree that the working rules lag far behind the west eg only 1 day off per week, but that's the way it is in LOS. If any woman in LOS doesn't like the working conditions, they are always able to go to Bangla and mint it for lying around.

Here we go again. No doubt the usual posters will regurgitate the usual posts as per the last 10 threads on Israel.

I think I'll sit this one out.

So he fought the French and they left, only to replaced by something as bad or worse. Ironic isn't it?

This is not the first time this thing has happened in Dubai, and sadly it will not be the last. Luxury hotels are built with the cheapest labour in the world and the standards are none.

I agree with the comment on the labor but the construction standards?????? you are dealing with one of the world's most respected developers here (same company that built the Burj Kalifa.

Having worked for EMAAR a few years ago; I am 100% sure that every Occ Health and Safety issue, Fire Drill and precaution was in place.

No fatalities have been reported on international news chalnnels which further supports the above opinion

World's most respected developers!

Pity they didn't do something about the exploitation of the workers- I guess they are just money grubbers that care only about the paycheque. Same as most western companies now.

All built with exploited labour that was treated disgustingly.

Karma strikes again .

I have been there.

Perhaps you'd prefer Gallup. In the past 20 years and as the world gets more dangerous, more and more Americans believe they are safer with a gun in the house than without. Some may hope it's the other way around, but it isn't. The trend is strongly toward wanting a gun in the house.

Gun manufacturers and stores haven't been able to meet demand, and there has been a shortage of them and a shortage of ammo since Obama was elected. The more talk their is about gun control the more people stock up.

Democrats play to blacks and Hispanics knowing that just 10% of the electorate can swing any election if they are united. They ignore to their peril the gun owners who outnumber both of the above, and those of the above who own guns.

Obama's last minute mouth running about guns could lose the Dems the election.

Cheers.

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Perception driven by gun manufacturers propaganda is in stark contrast to the reality of a home being safer with a gun in it.

Myth #5: Keeping a gun at home makes you safer.

Fact-check: Owning a gun has been linked to higher risks of homicide, suicide, and accidental death by gun.

• For every time a gun is used in self-defense in the home, there are 7 assaults or murders, 11 suicide attempts, and 4 accidents involving guns in or around a home.

• 43% of homes with guns and kids have at least one unlocked firearm.

• In one experiment, one third of 8-to-12-year-old boys who found a handgun pulled the trigger.

I am sure Pierson and Trump will perpetuate that myth as there are votes in it. The cartridge necklace was an intentional visual prop to tag the right wing gun toting ideologues. Pierson didn't come down in the last shower she knows precisely how to tap into the racist, bigoted and racist extreme far right.

It is absolutely crucial that Trump and Pierson stay well away from real political and economic issues facing the US. That is when they fall flat on their face. Income inequality, the most expensive health care system in the world, a dysfunctional education system, spending on military wars, people working longer hours for less money, Corporate America running Congress, below the poverty line minimum wage, Corporate America tax evasion, Clean Energy investment, Taxation reform with higher taxes on the wealthy and Corporate America paying their fair share of the tax burden, sensible gun control.

Oh and 'when seconds count' you are more likely to shoot yourself or be shot.

Your response to myth #5 only points out that some people are too stupid to be allowed to have children, though our society is so stupid it allows stupid people to breed.

Till legal euthanasia is allowed, people will rather use a gun to off themselves than some other less likely to work method, and I don't blame them.

Oh and 'when seconds count' you are more likely to shoot yourself or be shot.

I absolutely believe that no one should be allowed to own a gun without learning how to use it properly. The government trained me, but the idea that gun owning idiots without any idea of how to use a gun are out there scares me.