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Did someone say 'serve the people, no revenge', another one for 'amnesty' ?
"Senior Pheu Thai Party member Chalerm Yoobamrung said yesterday that if Pheu Thai wins, it will not exact revenge against all parties, except Abhisit and Suthep Thaugsuban who he believed were responsible for the deaths of 92 people in April and May last year."
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This Nation article from the 23rd of May somehow didn't make it to the forum. Still I think it's related to the topic.
BUSINESSPheu Thai proposes new income distribution method
By The Nation
Bottom-up income distribution is the ultimate goal behind Pheu Thai Party's proposed farmer credit card scheme and related policies for farmers, said its chief economic strategist Olarn Chaipravat.
"Economists' general aim economic growth, but Pheu Thai's stragy will push growth from the bottom. We'll create opportunities, jobs and income of the grassroots people," he said in an interview to Krungthep Turakij. "If they can sell rice at Bt15,000 per tonne or earn Bt300 per day, they can afford spending. The economic growth will be fairly distributed."
The party sets the guaranteed price of paddy white rice at least Bt15,000 per tonne, jasmine rice at Bt20,000, and sticky rice at Bt18,000. With credit cards, farmers can buy fertilisers, pesticides and fuel in advance at fair price.
Olarn said the policies are necessary given higher fuel prices which would push up production cost in the next 10-20 years. Moreover, climate change is leading to food shortages. This will benefit Thai farmers, but the farmers now are in grave financial constraints.
He noted that policies in the past 40 years succeeded in building up infrastructure, but farmers are left in poverty, with intermediaries like rice millers and exporters benefiting from huge profits. Though a 5kg bagged rice costs Bt200, farmers could not earn as much as Bt20,000 per tonne for their rice due to the monopoly in rice trade by fewer than 10 private companies.
The credit card scheme will be materialised in 600-700 districts, where farmers must register to set up 50:50 joint rice banks with the Bank for Agriculture and Agricultural Cooperatives. Each rice bank will start with average capital of Bt20 million, including Bt15,000 investment from each farmer who can borrow from the Village Fund for this purpose.
The rice bank will determine the credit amount each farmer is entitled to. The maximum is 70 per cent of potential income from their rice, based on the Bt15,000 per tonne target. With this amount, they can use to buy raw materials in advance.
The debt can be suspended in the event of natural disasters. Supporting this plan would be the crop insurance scheme, shouldered by the government. The rice could be pledged with the rice banks if farmers expect market prices to exceed the minimum level of Bt15,000 per tonne. At the end, their debts will be deducted from the income.
"City dwellers may ask if the rice price would then climb up? From data, we produce 30 million tonnes of paddy rice per year, or 20 million tonnes of polished rice. Thais consume 10 million tonnes and the rest is exported. We will have a mechanism in place to ensure that domestic price is not too expensive while exports are carried out in a thorough way," he said.
The mechanism requires the Public Warehouse Organisation to sell 5kg bagged rice at Bt110, and it could gain more from the sale of rice husk and other byproducts. This in turn requires a professional leader at the organisation. Olarn personally believes that the chief should earn no less than what PTT or Thai Airways International chiefs are earning.
On exports, Thailand needs to forge a pact with Vietnam, a major rice producer, and formulate cooperation with neighbouring countries like the Philippines and Indonesia which are buying rice from Thailand.
He said the scheme should entail loans of no more than Bt250 billion per annum, but on January 1 every year, the loans would be deducted from farmers' accounts at the rice banks. Well-managed rice banks could turn into private enterprises and seek listing on the Market for Alternative Investment.
"The scheme barely needs no money and it also eradicates corruption," he said, adding that from rice, other commodities like tapioca, sugar cane, oil palm, corn, pork, eggs and shrimps could be managed in the same way.
-- The Nation 2011-05-23
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As far as I remember the 'containers full of skeletons' was a rumour May 2009. Upon investigation of at least two containers no skeletons were found. Did I miss something ?
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Still Rubl, if you can show me where the government proved that the containers they examined contained nothing but seawater, I'll be happy - I mean if the government at the time were truly all above board they would have presented the truth to the world, surely?What would be the point of keeping that quiet?(Edited Spelling)
Follow this old thread for all the rumours around 'containers found full of skeletons'
Personally I believe that a gentleman who's name start with an a-to-z had found the lost Japanese war treasure in Kanchanaburi, transported it in containers and dumped them in order to retrieve the treasure later. The hundreds of skulls found in the neighbourhood were of the laborers who helped dump the containers. They were ritually killed and spread around the containers as guards.
(PS check out this one also:
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More than 3,600 people got killed, not mentioning the containers in Satthahip where lots of skeletons were found by fishermen, then divers discovered many containers with- obviously- human bones and skulls.
But all in a sudden, the story disapeared, like the guys in the containers.
We're living in a very dangerous country where one life means nothing. :jap:
As far as I remember the 'containers full of skeletons' was a rumour May 2009. Upon investigation of at least two containers no skeletons were found. Did I miss something ?
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Pretty accurate of many I'd say - and most are hardened 'we hate Thaksin' brigade from what I've read - I'd say 90% of posters are anti-PT and very self-opinionated thinking 'they know best' for Thais
For a new member you have learned fast. 'hardened we hate Thaksin brigade' and '90% of posters anti-PT'. Furthermore opinionated 'they know best'. Of course it would help when you can qualify your statement to make it more than just your (self-)opinionated thinking. IMHO of course
Please remember the obvious always needs to be pointed out
TV current affairs forum summed up in one post. if someone posts something you don't agree with, (yellow) crayon all over his post. You forgot to accuse him of being (as a new poster)in the pay of the Reds, but I'm sure someone will be along soon to put that right.
I asked for some substantiation of remarks which condemn other's opinions. That's not a put down, that a simple question for more information. In a democracy or discussion forums people like to ask questions, you know.
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"These officers have the authority to use drastic measures if there are any violent encounters during the manhunt," said Pol General Pongsapat Pongcharoen, director of an adhoc centre in charge of maintaining safety during the election.
"Surrender now to save yourselves while you still can. Police are authorised to push the limits to 'obtain you', and all officers will be wellarmed and in bulletproof vests when they approach you."
This doesn't sound like a 'shoot to kill' order, more like 'extreme measures to avoid escape of suspects'. For Thai police that may be the same though.
BTW will someone please inform Robert A.
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The consensus is that she is intelligent and with a pleasant attractive character, but obviously she will become better known to the public as the campaign progresses.There is not the slightest bit of evidence to suggest she is not a very capable person.
You have over the last few weeks made a series of snide and speculative posts about Yingluck, based on no evidence at all - you obviously have no understanding of how large Sino-Thai businesses operate - and earlier sexist jibes for which I believe you have been warned.We know you don't share her politics and you can certainly make the case to the best of your abilities.But don't make up stuff about her and don't lie about other members posts please.
(the 'you' refers to buchholz)
Jayboy, the other side of the coin is that there is not the slightest bit of evidence that Ms. Yingluck is a remarkable capable person. I don't see why an understanding of Sino-Thai business would change that unless you want to suggest that that type of business is 'all-in-the-family'. Ms. Yingluck's CV shows various high-level positions in business her family owns / owned and in which she also has/had a stake; not through ability, but because of her brother.
People have been asking if Ms. Yingluck had experience in non-family controlled business and till now I don't think I've seen any positive reply to that. I'm willing to believe Ms. Yingluck is capable, as so many other people, nothing special though.
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Pretty accurate of many I'd say - and most are hardened 'we hate Thaksin' brigade from what I've read - I'd say 90% of posters are anti-PT and very self-opinionated thinking 'they know best' for Thais
For a new member you have learned fast. 'hardened we hate Thaksin brigade' and '90% of posters anti-PT'. Furthermore opinionated 'they know best'. Of course it would help when you can qualify your statement to make it more than just your (self-)opinionated thinking. IMHO of course
Please remember the obvious always needs to be pointed out
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This time he was helping candidate Panich Vikitsreth.
Isn't that the one who "invaded" Cambodia together with the yellow shirts and got arrested there?
Could be the same person, same name. Freed a while ago unlike k. Veera and k. Ratree who are still in jail in Phom Phen. Mind you it wasn't with the 'yellow shirts', but a splinter party TPN. With seven people hardly an invasion force even on a border visit
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From samurai:
Yes, that is one of the reason for the *30 Baht system*
It wasn't cancelled by the Junta or Abhisit&Korn because of it's high administration cost. don't be a fool and believe that nonsense explanation. The reason for it is that just a *zero Baht health care* promise was a way to topple Thaksin populist policies.
Me: "The income from the Bt30 service charge is relatively so little and it's not worth it given that medical-service providers have to hire staff to register the money collection in three account books," said Dr Kriangsak Watcharanukolkiat, head of Phu Kradeung Hospital in Loei, which never collected the Bt30 fee. Kriangsak believed it would be better for the government to increase subsidies for hospitals providing medical care."
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2006/10/13/national/national_30016065.php
From samurai:
... says the new Public Health Minister in October 2006.
Me:
Apart from whistling you might try reading as well, dear samurai. The part I quoted is from a doctor, head of a hospital in Loei, somewhere that-away in the North where all those people live who like to topple k. Thaksin's policies
From samurai:
I followed the link provided by you. did you read the article?
Me again:
IMHO a stupid question. Unlike you I not only followed the link, but read the article. Some is from the Public Health Minister at the time and the part I quoted from a doctor upcountry. The part about which you incorrectly wrote '... says the PHM".
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Yes, that is one of the reason for the *30 Baht system*
It wasn't cancelled by the Junta or Abhisit&Korn because of it's high administration cost. don't be a fool and believe that nonsense explanation.
The reason for it is that just a *zero Baht health care* promise was a way to topple Thaksin populist policies.
different views:
""The income from the Bt30 service charge is relatively so little and it's not worth it given that medical-service providers have to hire staff to register the money collection in three account books," said Dr Kriangsak Watcharanukolkiat, head of Phu Kradeung Hospital in Loei, which never collected the Bt30 fee.
Kriangsak believed it would be better for the government to increase subsidies for hospitals providing medical care."
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2006/10/13/national/national_30016065.php
... says the new Public Health Minister in October 2006.
Apart from whistling you might try reading as well, dear samurai. The part I quoted is from a doctor, head of a hospital in Loei, somewhere that-away in the North where all those people live who like to topple k. Thaksin's policies
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Agree with you, subsidized healthcare is the way to go, even the democrats eventually understood that. They just tried to improve it, but as the second part of "letitbe" post shows, and I agree with it, without fully understanding the point of charging such a small amount as 30 Bahts. (The only argument for charging when it costs more to collect charge than you get is to maybe make people think twice before using service on constant visits for the most trivial complaints)
Yes, that is one of the reason for the *30 Baht system*
It wasn't cancelled by the Junta or Abhisit&Korn because of it's high administration cost. don't be a fool and believe that nonsense explanation.
The reason for it is that just a *zero Baht health care* promise was a way to topple Thaksin populist policies.
different views:
""The income from the Bt30 service charge is relatively so little and it's not worth it given that medical-service providers have to hire staff to register the money collection in three account books," said Dr Kriangsak Watcharanukolkiat, head of Phu Kradeung Hospital in Loei, which never collected the Bt30 fee.
Kriangsak believed it would be better for the government to increase subsidies for hospitals providing medical care."
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2006/10/13/national/national_30016065.php
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It's been five years since the coup and how far have we got with the other 5 of these corruption charges? The problem in Thailand is that Law Enforcement is selective, the process a snail's pace, and weakly applied. I suspect that the reason the establishment have not nailed Thaksin to the cross more than just three cases is that too many of their own will be implicated.
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As far as I know court cases against k. Thaksin are awaiting his return to be able to proceed. No such thing as 'in absentia'
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In the other paper is mentioned that the Pheu Thai Party has asked the Election Commission to instruct the government to suspend the drugs crackdown by the ISOC in Bangkok because it is generating fear and could affect the way people vote, or convince them not to vote.
So what are you implying, that the PTP relies on drug users to vote for them. No, of course you weren't.
Out of interest you neglected to mention that part of the article that states ISOC representatives are asking local residents about their occupations and telling them to sign their names on a survey form.
Interesting post follows
ISOC downplays poll rumour
Published on May 26, 2011 by TFP · No CommentsBANGKOK, 26 May 2011 – The Internal Security Operations Command (ISOC) has downplayed the rumour that the ISOC has conducted an opinion survey to evaluate the popularity of political parties in the upcoming election.
Rumour is spreading that the ISOC poll indicated Pheu Thai Party would win the election.
And just what are ISOC doing administering a drug crackdown, way outside their remit and unfortunately coupled with their powers of monitoring, wiretaps and arrest all without judicial oversight. What's it to be , OK, LM's not so useful now, let's go for the drug angle. Expect arrests of red shirts and PTP in the near future for alleged drug offences.
Another interesting post
The task force has dispatched soldiers to monitor the red shirts and their campaign activities in key Bangkok constituencies such as Min Buri, Nong Chok, Khan Na Yaw and Lat Phrao.
Soldiers have been asking questions that are not related to suppressing drug abuse.
I may have quoted only a small part as it was from the other newspaper. Now there's a Nation newsflash which is also very short
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/Pheu-Thai-cries-foul-on-military-task-force-30156272.html
By now the Nation has more info as the link you provide shows. BTW the "Soldiers have been asking questions that are not related to suppressing drug abuse" had ',he said' at the end, with 'he' being Pheu Thai candidate Vicharn Minchainant. It's not a fact (yet), more an accusation by a politician who's campaigning
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I think that would be even stranger if Abhisit would remind Newin that he is banned form politics.
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(But what you expect from politicians who are into football)
True, true, that would be just as strange as Ms. Yingluck reminding her big brother k. Thaksin to stay out of politics and let her handle things
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It wasn't a tweet. Abhisit said it to some journalists. Just saw it on TV.
Still strange that he tells Newin to go back to football.
With k. Newin still banned from politics I'd call that a valuable suggestion. Also leaves two of the 'beautiful' people running at these elections
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The Democrats have adopted the "Bush doctrine". Either you're with us or you're a terrorist.
Totally incorrect, just applies to a few UDD leaders who just happen to have felt the urge to escape justice represent the people in a democratic way. The others are worthy opponents with which a democratic fight called 'elections' is held.
So if they're really dangerous city-torching terrorists, why were they let out of jail?
TiT. Actually those UDD leaders are not city-torching terrorists, they're much more dangerous. They rouse people to do the torching for them. As for bailed-out, well that's how the Thai juridical system works. Relatively fair, some only cry foul when it works against them.
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I don't know of one business that will level a playing field to encourage the opposition.......
......in fact most would appear to strive to have continuous advantage over any competitionAnd in Thaksin's case, use extremely illegal means to do it. That's not business sense. That is called organized crime, and I suppose based on your logic you would support Al Capone's business tactics as well. What a great business man he was...clearly a good role model for our children.
Example: Order the Thailand EXIM BAnk to loan several billion Baht to the thug generals in Myanmar, so that the thug generals can buy big money equipment from a shin associated company. As said, not the examples of morals and ethics that I would like my son to see in national leaders.
I guess you do not wish your son to be employed by any major corporations, or governments who broker trade deals......
...... using coercion, bribery or other illegals means.
Just finishing your sentence, dear 473geo
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Let's try again after all deflections:
With various UDD leaders having asked their members to refrain from heckling and k. Kwanchai having gone on record with "The red shirts have good discipline and good democratic spirit" I'm sure k. Abhisit's campaign in the North-East will be uneventful apart from the usual political speeches, etc., etc. He may even attract some red-shirts to help keep things in order.
And to show a lack of double standards a Khunying Puangthong has been found guilty and fined 500B for slapping in the face another lady she thought made too much noise, but who was just helping Pongpisuth Jintasophon, a Pheu Thai candidate in a constituency covering Yannawa and Bang Kho Laem districts, campaigning at Kingchan market (there's a newsflash by the other paper)
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Let's try again after all deflections:
With various UDD leaders having asked their members to refrain from heckling and k. Kwanchai having gone on record with "The red shirts have good discipline and good democratic spirit" I'm sure k. Abhisit's campaign in the North-East will be uneventful apart from the usual political speeches, etc., etc. He may even attract some red-shirts to help keep things in order.
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From samurai:
"Call the army and teach them a lesson and some geography. Maybe it helps."
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"Militant? Banterish? I am the one with the facts and correct geographic information.
http://www.thailandoutlook.tv/TOC/ViewData.aspx?DataID=1014235
See, that's how it works.
Or maybe didn't work. Call the army wasn't my idea."
You forgot to mention that the article quoted is from April 2009 and described how the army 'explained'. To say 'call the army and teach them a lesson' IS militant and suggests violence.
As for not your idea, you dragged it up, so don't complain if I call you a bit militant.
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Yet the HRW report states that the Army used disproportionate force?
The cases are equal, violence is violence and both sides used it, just that some were more disproprtionate than others, the casualty ratios attest to that.
The HRW report also says
"After months of careful preparations at hundreds of
informal “Red Shirt schools” nationwide, an estimated
120,000 protesters descended on the capital from UDD rural
strongholds to call for new elections and the effective end of
Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva’s government."
Poor red-shirts, indoctrinated, sent to Bangkok as cannon fodder
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To bad that these red shirts don't know that, needs a heckler to tell them.
I assume Samut Sakhon isn't in the North_East, nor particularly in Udon Thani.
Are you applying for the job? I'm willing to give a character reference.
As for geography, pity you couldn't see me waving in that general direction. Suggest you use google, but be careful, too far North-East may give you cold feet
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I still believe the surest way that the Dems can win the election, is by providing an amnesty/organising Thaksins sentence to a suspended sentence....and make him an "Advisor" to the newly elected Democrat Government. (basicly steal PTP prime trump card).
No need. A military coup will do just fine.
As some here can tell you coups are illegal. Don't go advocating one, that may even be against forum rules :-)
......in fact most would appear to strive to have continuous advantage over any competition
Yingluck Vows To Implement Mega-Projects, Dams
in Thailand News
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No need to bus in people. Lots of PTP supporters live in Bangkok. They may need to go upcountry to vote though.