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rubl
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Polls in Thailand are always interesting in that they hardly ever show reliable figures. Still the UDD propaganda machine has been going full strength while official political parties has to restrain themselves. The playing field should be a bit more level with UDD leaders standing as PTP candidates. Now the same rules will apply.
Probably also the time to remind Bangkokians of the turbulent days March - May 2010. The UDD protests the last months only emphasized the other sides wrong-doing. Let's add their side with indiscriminate grenade attacks at non-red-shirts, maybe throw in some nice clips of burning tyres, torched building, pillaged shops and ATM's.
Not good for reconciliation, but PTP/UDD seems not interested anyway.
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Some samurai quotes:
"No-one is really interested in Abhisit."
"Evidence for something that don't really exist?
""I see no-one who is really interested in Abhisit. Please explain how I could bring evidence for something what I think that don't exist."
"Jesus, even a red shirt would understand this."
I see the problem of providing evidence for something that you think doesn't exist. On the other hand only one example would suffice to prove you wrong in your thoughts. So Yahoo-ing on +thailand +abhisit I found
"Thailand election on 3 July will test PM Abhisit"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13334852
So, even trollers should understand this
PS don't bother, I only list one example, I skipped the multitude of others.
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At least you are consistent is zigzagging along anything said or asked here
I see. for the future please don't become one of these posters who insists that I have to answer any of their posts devoted to me.
I will do that only do when I am very bored.
Feel free to think of yourself as the WINNER. You have to much wit for me.
Thanks for the explanation, young warrior. Your ego seems as big as your questions are less intelligent. Till now I didn't see any post devoted to you, and I fear you may also get less and less replies. Still feel free to consider yourself a winner, may help your ego and self-esteem.
Bored for now
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We only talk about the 2006 - now period for which PTP ponders an amnesty. That means of course the exclusion of 'murder of southern Muslims' under PM Thaksin (Krue Se Mosque and Tak Bai incidents in 2004). That part of 'list of crimes' should be removed for this topic
The army people responsible for that had already their day in court.
Yes love, Gen. Surayud even apologized. Still totally off topic as 'Amnesty aimed at both sides' only covers 2006 till now.
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I'm not sure disrupting an international meeting is a crime.Frankly I find your comments on redshirt activism a bit naive.May as well charge the Paris citizens for storming the Bastille - you have rather lost the plot mate.
It doesn't matter whether there is an amnesty before or after 2006.The Thai army is not accountable for its crimes, and therefore I guess is indifferent to an amnesty.
I'm aware my comments on red-shirt activities are a bit naive. That's because I still believe that only a minor percentage of UDD leaders and some others are really involved. Most red-shirts have a valid cause, but have been sidetracked with 'get Thaksin back', and were used as cannon fodder. Some still jailed upcountry awaiting trial, while their leaders strut around.
As for the amnesty, 'if' it will, it will be after 2006, not before I think
To say it doesn't matter what period the amnesty should encompass is truly naive, you lost it a bit there my friend -
Well, maybe, but your surmised event hasn't happened, has it, so it's not really possible to make comments about alleged intimidation that hasn't taken place.
But that doesn't stop Suthep..
At least it got k. Natthawut imploring the UDD temporary leader Ms. Thida to tell her red-shirts to refrain from doing anything the Election Commission would have to condemn.
That's because the PTP know that the democrats will stoop as low as it takes to get the party dissolved - it's CYA time when Suthep starts getting low and dirty.
That's because k. Natthawut realizes that having the obvious link between PTP and UDD there will not be a need to 'doctor' evidence. The facts speak for themselves. UDD campaigns for PTP and needs to adhere to the restrictions which apply to political parties and MP candidates. With 20 or more UDD leaders and sub-leaders on PTP party list or as constituency candidates k. Suthep doesn't need to get low and dirty, just watchful, like the Election Commission
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Because Abhisit is the polite and nice guy. During the the pre-election champaign time nothing like that will coming.
Once she is PM everyone will be happy and friendly and give her her first 100 days. And of course the new opposition will not be like the old opposition, but indulgent, constructive, helpful and supportive.
What you think? That they act like little pesky sore losers?
I agree that Abhisit is nice & polite. Wish there were more new-generation politicians like him. And hope that there eventually will be.
But this is Thai politics, and there are a lot of old dinosaurs in the game, are they all as polite as the current PM, I doubt it ?
And surely we're discussing pre-election hustings, not what might possibly happen, after 3rd July ?
I thought that too, that it is about the pre-election time.
But after I send my reply to virtualtraveller I noticed that he spoke of "the opposition" and me too. He spoke also of Prime Minister Yingluck. And you describes the others as the the opposition-parties.
It is like we would have a running parliament already.
So I am unsure about what time we are talking here.
And beside competition in local constituencies, on party list level the other smaller parties might have not big interests to picking holes into someone who might be the future coalition partner.
Virtualtraveller wrote
"If the opposition can successfully point out that Prime Minister Yingluck is going to be fraught with problems and very detrimental to the country the moment she starts pushing through an amnesty bill, those who think before they vote might realise."
that clearly suggests issues recognized before voting. Read it again
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What is at issue here is not just about a change in the political order, but importantly to demonstrate that those convicted of offences can accept the punishment metered out to them, irrespective to their rank in life.
There is a great reluctance in Thailand to accept responsibility for any wrong doing, Neither is there much remorse. Thailand has a culture of fleeing from the Law be it from road accidents or in the case of the Former Prime Minister from Justice by going abroad. Those who flee from justice should be additiionally charged with that offence and serve longer periods of sentence.
The acceptance of the Law - crime and punishment - is essential to establishing this Third World Country as a modern functioning democracy - Currently it's a long way behind that.
Clearly nothing here with one could disagree, except that some of the greatest crimes have not been charged at all because they were committed by members of an untouchable elite which when necessary manipulated or directed the judicial system.The list is long of these crimes - illegal coups, murder of Southern Muslims, murder of unarmed civilians in Bangkok etc etc.
Before continuing with the 'etc., etc.' I'd like to insert some crimes maybe not committed by 'elite', like 'disrupting an international meeting', 'lobbing grenades on police/army/civilians', 'torching buildings and city halls'. Now let the 'etc., etc.' follow.
We only talk about the 2006 - now period for which PTP ponders an amnesty. That means of course the exclusion of 'murder of southern Muslims' under PM Thaksin (Krue Se Mosque and Tak Bai incidents in 2004). That part of 'list of crimes' should be removed for this topic
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Let me tell you what, if this thread wouldn't have Yinglucks name in the title, but were just about Abhisit, nearly no-one would be interested in it.
If we leave out the last two words of the topic title and leave 'Abhisit ready for political debate' there might have been slightly less interest in it.
I gave a thread about the Democrats with a mega teaser headline a second chance. Let see how slightly less the interest for it might be.
Dear samurai, you reply to the part where I said 'so what' and remove the on-topic part. Do you really need that type of teasing?
So let me repeat my full post:
"If we leave out the last two words of the topic title and leave 'Abhisit ready for political debate' there might have been slightly less interest in it. With 'with Yingluck' back in the title we get all the usual trollers, fools and other members. So what?
Still, with or without Ms. Yingluck a debate seems out of the question even when k. Abhisit is ready for it "
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Daughter of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, Pinthongta, is considered to be the best candidate to take the top job at SC Asset Corporation following her aunt Yingluck Shinawatra's resignation.
With her having 28% stake in the company and the family together 60% or so, she seems indeed the best candidate with all qualifications needed. Just the type of behaviour one has come to expect from the 'elite' and why we need this fight for true democracy for all
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That is the point.
So what about Matichon?
Did you check Matichon? Has Matichon this question worded the same?
You know, if there is an Matichon article I would check it at its original source and not in the Nation, because that might be edited and is probably just a translation.
Jesus, even a red shirt would understand this.
Some just to lazy to check and some cannot read Thai. Two links here.
The original Matichon article
http://www.matichon.co.th/news_detail.php?newsid=1306136995&grpid=01&catid=&subcatid=
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http://asiancorrespondent.com/55584/the-matichon-interview-with-thaksin/
with some reasoning why the interview was AFTER Ms. Yingluck's election as number one on the PTP party list for MP candidates.
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Even in Thai with Ms. Yingluck a new face it seems more than natural that people wonder 'who is this'. No need to do the same for K. Abhisit or k. Thaksin. Also red-shirt have always been good at (mis)using the internet, that's where we can find all those 'interesting clips'.As for Dem's new, heavy social media users, that's more from the providing side, nothing said on receiving.
Anyway, a 'debate' seems out of the question. No time, no need, the voters already know 'Thaksin thinks, Pheu Thai acts'. Makes you wonder why to go through with this democratic election show. Lord and Master has spoken, all rich in six months. 'All for one and more for me'
Let me tell you what, if this thread wouldn't have Yinglucks name in the title, but were just about Abhisit, nearly no-one would be interested in it.
If we leave out the last two words of the topic title and leave 'Abhisit ready for political debate' there might have been slightly less interest in it. With 'with Yingluck' back in the title we get all the usual trollers, fools and other members. So what?
Still, with or without Ms. Yingluck a debate seems out of the question even when k. Abhisit is ready for it
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There were far more politicians in the news.
That people can identify the party of? I haven't seen anyone from other parties.
for a few days already the usual pickups passing with music and slogans. Only one pamphlet in my mailbox, from k. Leelavadee V. with her complete biography as far as I get the Thai. Don't ask me which party
(to be honest: PTP
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Okay Thaksins goal is " to give people a good lifestyle, happiness and national progress." if that is so essential for you you should it put in your signature.
Whatever k. Thaksin's goal may be, I have never said nor indicated that his goals are essential to me. Your conclusion is faulty. Maybe you should put up a signature. I wouldn't presume to suggest what you should put there though
Oh my conclusion was based on your faulty assumption that I somehow try "to diminish the value of an article I (/you) don't like."
What value? And now it isn't essential for you. That is not very consistent. IMHO.
Even if my assumption that you didn't like the 'democracy is not my goal approach' article and tried to diminish it's value is wrong, I still didn't say whether or not I liked any in it myself. To draw the conclusion that it might be essential to me is therefor not based on information but pure conjuncture of your own thoughts.
At least you are consistent is zigzagging along anything said or asked here
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Just to sum up and conclude, so we can proceed nicely:
If / When Ms. Yingluck is elected as MP and endorsed by the Election Commission she will have to file a full disclosure of assets and liabilities. The interesting aspects of Ms. Yingluck's legal standing (is she still entitled to be called NangSou rather than Nang only?) may need clarification. Does she have a legal relation with her 'life partner', is she legally in (co-)charge of her son?
Answers to these questions will be guidance to what she has to declare and what not. Of course like her big brother and example, she can always have an appearance in court and tearfully mumble it all to be a terrible, but honest mistake.
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"Rak Thailand Party of the colorful Chuwit Kamolvisit came in third at 2.2 percent."
With the strange emphasize on k. Chuwit I wonder who were asked in this latest poll
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Still doesn't explain the 'posse with real people amongst the paid claqueurs', young warrior
Because there where claqueurs too. Waiting in a corner to get rid of their flower garlands and putting them around the neck of the candidate. Or those who hold up all the banners and cardboards. A candidate surrounded by 15 people holding up exactly the same poster or similar scenes. The impressions I saw were for all parties nearly the same. It just varied little bit how many fingers they hold up.
And there was a bigger difference, some actually attracted a crowd and others a few and some nobody.
Nice answer, but not to my question. You mentioned 'posse with real people amongst the paid claqueurs'. You seem now to mix posse and claqueurs as same/similar and quietly ignore the 'paid' part you stated. Ah well, at least the ones who didn't attract anybody didn't have either a posse or claqueurs
Now maybe we can go back on topic "Absolving Thaksin puts heat on Yingluck"
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Will Amsterdam drop his application to the International Criminal Court to investigate crimes against humanity? If so, how sincere were he and the red shirts when they were crying about dead people?
Will removing all criticism of the Abhisit-led government from Amsterdam's web site be part of the deal? If so, it would show that all his gobbledegook writings were bargaining chips.
The ones who lose out are the dead (as they cannot be resurrected), families of the dead, those who lost their jobs, and businesses who've cumulatively lost income. It's the people who are probably not going to be part of an amnesty deal in which the elites settle each others' differences and kiss and make-up.
Robert A. didn't get the message on Amnesty yet it seems. He's still at it
On May 19th a young Libyan novelist writes words that have profound meaning for those in Bangkok have watched with horror the impunity of Abhisit and the Thai army. I urge everyone to read Hisham Matar’s op/ed the Times of London, and I quote the following form this moving piece entitled “Justice satisfies a deeper revenge. ....”
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Okay Thaksins goal is " to give people a good lifestyle, happiness and national progress." if that is so essential for you you should it put in your signature.
Whatever k. Thaksin's goal may be, I have never said nor indicated that his goals are essential to me. Your conclusion is faulty. Maybe you should put up a signature. I wouldn't presume to suggest what you should put there though
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waiting now for the third stooge expert that comes with that false "democracy is not my goal " quote.
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And as assumed it took just the timespan of sipping a coffee till the one-line rhetorician showed up. so that comment was actually more for them than for you.
And here I was thinking you were trying to be the one-line rhetorician drinking coffee
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yes.
"Democracy is a good and beautiful thing, but it's not the ultimate goal as far as administering the country is concerned," he said. "Democracy is just a tool, not our goal. The goal is to give people a good lifestyle, happiness and national progress."
often misquoted as "democracy is not my goal "
And don't forget, its just a translation and its a news article by the Nation.
More over the article has not been approved by our esteemed member 'samurai'. Now that really makes it suspect I guess
I am the democracy guy here and would even let the stupid and uninformed vote.
but some seems to fancy the "democracy is not my goal" approach (don't ask for a source of the quote, just take it like it is)
True, true, some seem to take the 'democracy is not my goal approach', k. Thaksin amongst others. Somehow also you by trying to diminish the value of an article you don't like. IMHO of course
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Let's face it, when I was asking Abhisit's main support group (Bangkok middle aged house wives) what was the main reason they support him, the first answer was always he is good looking.
Then when Sarah Palin was almost elected vice president of the United States, it was obviously not for her brain.
In this new world order, I predict a very bright future to Yingluck.
Many of my Thai male friends make less and less secret who they are going to vote for and I sense it's with a feeling of revenge for their wives supporting Abhisit
From my contacts with Thai professionals (mostly ladies, but not all) in the IT departments of various local banks here, PTP doesn't stand a chance. Of course like with the predictions of some, I didn't do a solid, scientifically sound and mathematically correct poll. Just my opinion based on what I see and hear, in that small part of the world which is mine
Of course, the ladies vote for Abhisit.
Honestly that's probably the only reason why he will stay as the leaders of the democrats until after the election. Now that the men have defected to Yinluck, they can afford to lose the ladies' vote as well.
I didn't say the ladies will vote for k. Abhisit, nor do I think they will. I'm only saying amongst those I checked (both male/female) PTP doesn't stand a chance.
You seem somewhat more confident in your opinion, maybe your group of Thai male friends is sufficient large to justify that confidence
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waiting now for the third stooge expert that comes with that false "democracy is not my goal " quote.
False?
yes.
"Democracy is a good and beautiful thing, but it's not the ultimate goal as far as administering the country is concerned," he said. "Democracy is just a tool, not our goal. The goal is to give people a good lifestyle, happiness and national progress."
often misquoted as "democracy is not my goal "
And don't forget, its just a translation and its a news article by the Nation.
More over the article has not been approved by our esteemed member 'samurai'. Now that really makes it suspect I guess
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Let's face it, when I was asking Abhisit's main support group (Bangkok middle aged house wives) what was the main reason they support him, the first answer was always he is good looking.
Then when Sarah Palin was almost elected vice president of the United States, it was obviously not for her brain.
In this new world order, I predict a very bright future to Yingluck.
Many of my Thai male friends make less and less secret who they are going to vote for and I sense it's with a feeling of revenge for their wives supporting Abhisit
From my contacts with Thai professionals (mostly ladies, but not all) in the IT departments of various local banks here, PTP doesn't stand a chance. Of course like with the predictions of some, I didn't do a solid, scientifically sound and mathematically correct poll. Just my opinion based on what I see and hear, in that small part of the world which is mine
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Yingluck's Secret Weapon: Nong Pipe
in Thailand News
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If you say so
PS I put all of my post back since it's relevant to (try to) understand the reasoning given.