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Most people in this forum are siding with Ukraine now because of what is happening today and the fact that they are not Russian. A far as the Donbass region goes, it depends what you read. It seems that some wrong-doing may have come from both sides. But as there has been fighting there, it is obvious that there is no majority desire for independence. Any "Russian-majority" in these provinces is only marginal and not total because it seems there are large groups of Ukrainians and Slavs who do not want Russian control and together they are the majority. Thousands have died since 2014 but that is a result of some Ukrainian action but also direct Russian interference and assistance, which is also anti-democratic and also illegal - there has been little reference to it in this thread, either. Information about the Donbass conflict is not really suppressed in the west but it is certainly different to that available from pro Russian sources. However, at the moment, Russia has lost any moral high ground it may have had as far as the west is concerned, due to the scale and violence of this invasion. I agree that NATO and the EU should have played the Ukrainian membership possibilities down (at lest delayed them) but to say that Russia has been terrorized seems so ironic and ridiculous after these last two weeks. Who has vilified and threatened Russia before this brutal invasion?? Your appeal is not appealing.

You asked me what I thought so I replied. My opinion is not necessarily the correct "answer".

You said you cannot answer the question then gave your own answer of "I know both governments would have fled the country, and I guess they would have capulated copulated capitulated quite fast at once their government was safe" in the next sentence! If Russia goes for Sweden and Finland I think that's enough for NATO to go to war with Putin, as Norway would be immediately and unavoidably threatened by this, geographically. I didn't realize you were such a greenie.

Certainly guesswork. I'll give you that.

Are they accurate enough or can someone cheat and get a shorter table in overnight and hope he doesn't notice?

How about if Putin stops a round?

Well thought out - not.

Rat poison?

That balo post did not say really imply your take but in any case I don't think the Ukrainians care much how many Russians can go on holiday right now, so yes, it is insignificant to them at least.

Tourism? Omigawd.

Off topic. Let me get a drink while I contemplate filing a rare report. ????

I'm not devoutly religious but I will pray for that.

Wonder if anyone checked for tow ropes?

Jeez - how far back do we have to go to justify the murder happening now?

Maybe Finland being invaded right now? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60624500

If you are Finnish, I understand your apprehension but what should have been done is already known - Putin should have stayed at home!

What vaccine? ????

Yep. This could be the best chance of stopping him.

He will lose this time anyway. How much that will cost and how long it will take are the sad unknowns of the moment.

Well the Ukrainians have learned that they have more chance of beating the Russians in the cities, not in open country.

Rubbish. From events so far, it's clear that Putin is not overly concerned about young lives, be they Ukrainian babies and kids, or 18 year old Russian conscripts.

Looks like a bridge too frail!

So the ads last longer?

Think he had a white one for Macron.

This might be your answer: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60542877