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Not well explained in the story. Andy King ferries Channel swimmers to or from Dover, assumably after a partial or one-way swim. Try this link to the Channel Swimming Association: https://www.channelswimmingassociation.com/pilots/louise-jane-ii

Answer the question. Go on. Explain yourself.

What are you on about now?? Seek help.

It was sarcasm of course. But if the UK had not voted for Maastricht and held out, then I'm sure that the EC would have made things quite unbearable for the UK, so much so that it would have withdrawn anyway. As we can see now, the EU are good at bloody-minded belligerence.

1. Answered within my Q. 2. Yes it was very difficult to find much out. Several opinions in the press - all biased rather than factual - rather similar to the present.

Just keep voting until we get it right, right? Like Lisbon. Pah!

I can't believe that you asked that first question. The act of signing up without a referendum skewed the whole thing. Politicians know that people get tired of too many changes - they rely on voter laziness and often get their way. I am saying that to be able to decide fairly, then voters would have needed to read at least a good honest key point summary of the Treaty of Rome, then balancing that with what Heath & Co (and Powell) had to say - I know that Powell was not popular but he was neither devious nor a liar. In 1972 inside Parliament there was clearly a large split on the issue, which resulted in three readings and a very narrow win for Teddy - at the same time, a referendum might well have gone the other way.

Signed under another installed closet Europhile, Major. NO referendum then either, was there??? Then ratification just scraped through in Parliament (again) after the Masstricht Rebels nearly got us out of the EU before it really started, because if the UK had stalled long enough then the EU would have had to kick the UK out in order to continue with their political project.

It's basically just one serious bad consequence of EU membership. More and more Europeans are seeing that now.

Read again what I say. I said "The 1975 referendum (under Labour) was a confirmation YES for continued member ship but with the main implications of joining still not well understood by UK voters". I have also said that Heath lied before we went in and there was no referendum before then, probably because a divided electorate might have said NO in 1972. My arguments have remained the same over time, that are valid, they preceded Brexit, and have nothing to do with whatever any other arguments you are on about.

The UK joined the EEC without a referendum after a very marginal vote in Parliament after Heath's Conservatives prompted the process with the European Communities Act. The 1975 referendum (under Labour) was a confirmation YES for continued member ship but with the main implications of joining still not well understood by UK voters. So, unfortunately, we did actually vote then to continue accepting EEC/EU rules, with European Law having primacy over our own. This level of EU control increased but was only slowly realized after years of EEC/EC/EU mutations and treaties. Yes, the EEC was a good idea but only as the "Common Market" that most of the British believed it to be at the time. But, by the Treaty of Rome, it was never going to be just that. People like Macron talk about Brexit lies and such, but they never mention the lies told in 1972 by Heath et al ("no essential loss of sovereignty" (my a$$)).

Well done there.

Thanks. Just saw that. It just gets more strange and sad.

Marvelous news. Ooh jelly me cor bin Ooh jelly me cor bin

I'm not sure that you got my point. If RN vessels did not enter French waters then they would not be blocking (nor blockading) anything. They would be in home waters and at least 12 miles from any French port. Of course they would have the right to monitor any vessel approaching UK waters. I'm happy that we can agree on something for a change. This activity might already be catastrophic and is not sustainable in so many ways.

No need for RN vessels to enter French waters, as long as the French navy does the same. Just stop this insane taxi service. As the initial escorts, the French are responsible for the boats and people, who only make it as far as France because of the abused EU freedom of movement "pillar".

So do I, and the evidence might show that. That's why I said Indians may have no choice about any blaming.

It will be interesting whatever but the Indians may have no choice about any blaming.

I just heard it again.

And bald as a coot, too.

Non-stop bollaxe as usual.

As China pushes out about 10 billion tons per year of CO2 into the atmosphere, is there really any real significance to this 3 million? Another blot on the landscape in one of the most beautiful parts of the country that still remains reasonably untouched. CCS is very expensive with small benefit. And who will pay? Oh yeah! I remember. The Muggins family.

That's not even a link - let alone any evidence. Apparently there is now suspicion of at least one engine being stopped (fuel cut-off switch) manually. Maybe we'll find out later today??

You are nut alone then?

It's a good job you don't sell sausages.