sinewave

so what's it to be sinewave, are you up for the challenge, are you going to prove that your bored Honda wave or whatever it is, can smoke a litre bike off the line to 140kph? Or are you going to wimp out and pretend WE got the wrong of the stick? I agree with one of the earlier posts, you sound like a young kid who is used to scooters and has never even sat on a big bike, never mind riden one.

Then again, you could take up the offer and prove me wrong sonny I'm sure there are plenty of us that will ride up to witness the race.

I said I found the conversion , never said i had it done...what is it with people on here that do not know how to read.

when members are registered to Thaivisa, a reading test should be administered, but please do not use the British curriculum.

thaicbr, your the guy that kept trying to modify his cbr, but only found out you had a 38 tooth sprocket in the end right? who's the dumbass? that would have been the FIRST thing i checked.

You are so utterlyignorant and cannot grasp the fact i was comparing a STOCK CBR 150 and STOCK nsr 150, did you make it past 5th grade? Go learn how to read things from the beginning.

Richard, i mean Dick....um yeah Dick....I believe you started throwing insults first.

jesus you guys are just plain stupid and don't know how to read - look:

1.Modified Nouvo vs cbr 150.....NOT sportbike

2.Full race 150cc 2 stroke against liter bike UP TO 140KPH....think motocross bike, ever seen a supercross race and the bike clears a set of triples with only a 30 foot takeoff....yeah im sure a literbike could do that...pffffff

3.Stock cbr 150 vs Stock NSR 150....

do you get it, can you read? Livinlos, Bigbike, Thaicbrdumbass, Dick?

and none of you have stated you have EVER ridden a fullrace 2 stroke bike yet, Thaicbr, don't even try to lie about it...your inexperienced statement already proves your peabrain has never ridden one. not even worth my time.

Never ridden a fullrace 2-stroke , but can talk shit...just brilliant.

Last post bye guys, can't argue with people who have NEVER ridden a fullrace 2 stroke...asking me if ive evr ridden a liter bike, is like asking if a bear shits in the woods and wipes his ass with a white rabbit.

anyone want info on the 250 kit shoot me a PM.

Sinewave you only have big apples if ya actually do it. go get a cbr and then get the work done. but wait you say the guy already has a Sonic done.........well as the Thais say same same but different. Its actually the same basic engine just with out the twin cam head. so should be fairly close to the mark. ask him if you can put that up against a litre bike or even a 600 supersports and see what your mechanic friend will say...... probably laugh at you as well. by the way thanks for the mechanic guys contact details ...(which i see you have not posted)

"I bought the NSR new from the dealer, it was sooooo pathetically slow, i took it in for modifications 3-5 days later...difference was like night and day."

This the same bike that you say will not beat a CBR150. errr what the <deleted>+k

"Im talking about the thai 150cc 2 strokes racebikes, they will snap your neck after 6k rpm."

ahhhhhhh question answered at 6k you backed off. I get it thats why it would not beat a cbr150

nah man, that just goes to show you have NEVER ridden a real 2 stroke racebike, the power comes on at 6k rpm, thats when the fun starts, why would i want to back off when the fun is just starting?

honestly man i think you have reading comprehension problems or something. Maybe your helmet's to tight?

Sinewave you only have big apples if ya actually do it. go get a cbr and then get the work done. but wait you say the guy already has a Sonic done.........well as the Thais say same same but different. Its actually the same basic engine just with out the twin cam head. so should be fairly close to the mark. ask him if you can put that up against a litre bike or even a 600 supersports and see what your mechanic friend will say...... probably laugh at you as well. by the way thanks for the mechanic guys contact details ...(which i see you have not posted)

this mechanic is a really cool dude, based on the behavior of most (not all) in this post, I don't want to be responsible for sending him a group of people to talk shit to him.

anyone who's serious can always PM me, then go to his shop and TRY to communicate with him, i already asked him what woud happen if i sent farangs to his shop and he said he wouldn't understand them, i have to translate since im 100% bilingual.

he would be more than happy to put his shop bike up against another bike 600c or up....but like i said only up to 140kph.

140 kph people...140 kph....i can't seem to pound this into your heads.

Thaicbr are you calling me an illiterate dumbf uck? im assuming your talking about Dick

The only way Sinewave is going to win from a liter bike is if he shows up dressed up like superman and tells a big bike rider you will not even see my taillight. Which is actual no lie, what ever we do we will never see Sinewaves taillight, as we leave it far far behind us, so by technicality he wins...

But Sinewave, be realistic, a Ducati does 2.5 seconds to get to 100 km/h, how fast do you go in 1 second..??

Richard or should i say 'Dick', you weigh 130 kilos, thats 285 pounds, whatever you ride will be slow just from the sheer wind resistance of your fata$$...

Sinewave man cool dude. just sayin that your NSR was bolloxed (or highly modified)because an NSR150 in good working order will piss all over a cbr150. and yes many of us have ridden performance 2 strokes. ummm let me see Yam rd350lc. Maico 490. numerous 2t enduro bikes which i can't remember. and here in Thailand a TZR250 a 2t twin with about 50-60hp ( i should have brought that, lovely bike)

I bought the NSR new from the dealer, it was sooooo pathetically slow, i took it in for modifications 3-5 days later...difference was like night and day.

Im talking about the thai 150cc 2 strokes racebikes, they will snap your neck after 6k rpm.

what makes you think a modified 150cc bike can't lift the front wheel in 1st and 2nd? are YOU awake?

tell me, at what point is a liter bike making full power?

Maybe it can.. but as it has a smaller contact patch / rubber on the road it has to have less traction.. And with less power to weight AND less traction.. Well your not onto a winner are you ??

Just do the bhp / kg sums.. That along with contact patch / transferring those bhp to the road.. Well it should all become clear..

and i repeat, at what point is the liter bike making full power?

traction is dependent on clutch release...and in the case of a racebike, more often than not, the crank is slightly off balance to gain that traction, instead of slipping and spinning of the tire, the race bike 'bites' the pavement every 180 derees of revolution of the crank in the case of a single cylinder bike...reducing tire spin.

how you like them apples?

So absolutely NONE of you have ever ridden a highly modified 2 stroke...but still feel you can make comments?

Thaicbr, man ive owned both and have first hand experience dude.

LivinLos, I believe the real question is - "Have you ever ridden a full 150cc race bike"....My NSR 150 which was highly modified with stock displacement would KILL bigger bikes up to 140kph....up to 140kph not over, read again please 140kph.

Ohh pure comedy...

So a 130 bhp bike that will lift the front wheel in first and second (which is the 140 your talking).. With a 180 section sticky rubber rear tyre.. Is going to get beaten by a machine with maybe 20% the total power and a tyre skinnier than the same front that stays in the air on the sport bike ??

Have you had a think about the physics of this ??

If you mean you pulled away while a sportbike rider was ignoring you.. OK.. But well the other options are less polite to post.. I will of course admit that filtering through traffic a sonic can go through gaps a bigger bike cannot.. But thats not a measure of its speed or power, its a measure of its size..

And yes.. I have ridden plenty of 2 strokes and other small bore sportbikes, dirtbikes, young and old, etc.. And compared to a liter bike.. even a decade plus old one, they simply pale in every respect.. Simple power to weight, plus tyre contact patch.. I mean comparing any modified CBR 150/250 even to a sport 600 is laughable, then start doubling the power of the 600 and it becomes insane.

what makes you think a modified 150cc bike can't lift the front wheel in 1st and 2nd? are YOU awake?

tell me, at what point is a liter bike making full power?

Hello Sinewave,

I agree, you have the idea that you win from big bikes, but what you miss is that big bike riders you race, are worried and go back to look for you.

I not want to call you a joke, but the more you tell the more it sounds you are not telling the truth, even a 250cc two-stroke GP motorcycle cannot win it from a Kawasaki ZX10. And this buddies have actual Honda Racing Freaks working on there bikes... with there help this 250cc 2-strokes come closs to 90 real horses in the real wheel.... But do the calculation 90BHP is nothing close to 130BHP, or some road legal liter bikes doing 180BHP.

jesus can you people read? i said up to 140 kph.

LivinLos, I believe the real question is - "Have you ever ridden a full 150cc race bike"....My NSR 150 which was highly modified with stock displacement would KILL bigger bikes up to 140kph....up to 140kph not over, read again please 140kph.

Hey Bro,

No offense, but your suggestion that a 150cc "race bike" can somehow beat a 1000cc supersport liter bike off the line, or 0-60 is pretty silly...

go race a motocross bike , and don't come crying to me when you figure out your bike weighs 3-4 times more, and your fairings arent serving any purpose until after 90 kph.

I don't think the people who want to do the conversion are worried about that stuff.....Can you imagine the look when you beat a ZX10 off the line up to 140kph?...priceless

dude, you are having a laugh aren't you? Yes, I'm sure the baby CBR is pokey, but it isn't in the same universe, let alone the same league as any 'proper' medium to big sports bike.

ehhh i give up, trying to hook you guys up and instead i get dissed, by people with no real hands on experience.

I need a project bike, if anyone with a CBR wants to race me against that modified nouvo...i'll take you on title for title, i lose you get my click, i win i get your CBR...

c'mon its just a nouvo...

LivinLos, I believe the real question is - "Have you ever ridden a full 150cc race bike"....My NSR 150 which was highly modified with stock displacement would KILL bigger bikes up to 140kph....up to 140kph not over, read again please 140kph.

and this next statement you will continue to rip me a new one for also - the stock NSR 150 and stock CBR 150 have the same speeds, the CBR can even pull away up to 140kph...Ive owned both and know the real deal.

I suppose you bought your bike brand new and has never been to somchai before you owned it ehh?

Thaicbr, my CBR came with 520 chains and sprocket. my old mechanic had a picture with him and my new mechanic along with the team honda manager hanging on his wall, with the rest of the team at the track...this was about 7 years ago...BTW 28mm carbs are only 1500 baht.

Dave, I asked him about the actual displacement, it's 244cc but check his math if you don't mind, the bore and stroke are 65-66mm by 73.8mm stroke

Finally Richard, the Sonic because it has a single cam can go up to 275cc, but not recommended only 250cc was recommended for longevity., the shop bike is a sonic at 250cc which he might sell if your interested, he said you were welcome to take it for a ride - i mentioned you.

and the Nouvo was verified at 250cc...25k baht if anyone wants it.

Took my buddy back up to the shop today to revert back to the original throttle opposed to the short throw racing throttle and to remove the resistor inside the sparkplug boot, and we gained another 15%. With a broader powerband with the plug regapped to 0.98mm

he showed me the cam, crank and gears i held them in my hand...if you guys don't believe its 40k no sweat off my back man, but ask youself this, where does he get the parts from? the people actually making the parts get them made for substantially less, think please...he's been in the business for a long time now too.

I don't think the people who want to do the conversion are worried about that stuff.....Can you imagine the look when you beat a ZX10 off the line up to 140kph?...priceless

the CBR in weaving traffic will wallop on a big bike, and exactly how old are these big bikes that have gone through multiple somchai mechanics hands? 10 years at the least for a bike in the 75k price range.

Someone buy my honda click fast so i can start this!...I can get an extremely ragged out CBR for 18k right now.

im going back to the shop today, to make sure he wasn't pulling my chain about 250cc's.

if i do it, it's something i'd keep forever.

besides, all the paperwork can be done inhouse at the shop...wink wink wink

dave, be the experimental lab rat...please...like nike says - "just do it"...i'd get the cams and rejet done first to test the waters since the price isn't so bad, at around 5000 baht.

He recommended doing the gears first, which makes sense because we were talking about how gears 1-2 are too short (agreed), then theres a drop in power between gears 5-6, but I couldn't really agree with the 5-6 statement , since changing the sprockets to 15/44 helped alot...but admittedly, you can still tell 5-6 isn't at its best.

If your a good rider and can shift at the right time, the gears can wait. But doing the gearing will make the bike much more rideable IMO.

If i do...i'll probably get a 2002-2003 model year thats been beat to hel_l and back, and get it rebuilt...heck it'll be getting basicly a brand new engine anyway right? It'll need bigger brakes and stiffer fork springs too as well as wider rubber and if possible wider rims, the chain and sprockets would have to possibly go back to 520, if previously changed to 428....actually you won't need all that stuff, unless you want to be stable and drive like a maniac 24/7.

Not sure on the Nouvo cc's, but it was hectic, I asked him about the drive belt, he just smiled and said it can take it, but if you pound on anything long enough theres going to be damage...I'm pretty sure he did up the bottom end, basicly these bikes were complete rebuilds, from the bottom end up....it's for sale too approx 25,000 baht

Richard, i'm sure you must know some people in the racing scene, this is the guy that taught "Arh racing", when they both worked for HRC in their younger days. This guy is older and is - 'super somchai'.

ehhh...goodspeed is a waste of time, its not a real shop...you have to call in advance and order in advance....the shop isn't on Bangna as stated, it's in Paknam.

I kept drilling him on how he got it to 250cc's, and wouldn't the walls be too thin, and I told him the biggest ive seen is 200cc also...but he said it was possible, what information do you want? it's not like i'm the one that knows how to do it...if you want to go check it out, i'm going to have to take you there, the location is hard to explain...and you would pass it right up

The shop bike was a sonic with CBR cylinder totally tricked out. dam_n clean too.

this is the guy that actually taught my old mechanic, i found out....this guy knows his stuff...The total price is around 40k, not including pipes and silencer

I have to head up there in a few days to rejet my buddies bike, let me know what you want to know.

He did mention something to do with the valve shims, but i haven't seen a pic of the heads so im not sure what he was talking about

BTW-I'm only taking Americans there, British not allowed...j/k

i like the veloil chainlube in the black can, when you spray it, it fizzles and works its way between the links.

Found a shop that can do the conversion to 250cc's today! Ex HRC mechanic, he let me test a modified yamaha Nouvo that was freaking sick i tell ya. Sounded like a mack truck and pulled like a dragster.

Showed me the race cams for the CBR and explained the process:

stage 1 - change gears 1,2,5,6

stage 2 - cams

stage 3 - cylinder bored, sleeve insert, longer conrod, bigger crank, cylinder spacer (raised to accomodate stroke), bigger piston.

stage 4 - ECU

pipe, silencer, sprockets, NSR carburetor and rejetting somewhere along the line....

after riding that nouvo, there's no doubt in my mind it will destroy a ninja 250 and tiger boxer...its not only a 250 upgrade, it's a full race conversion.

It's on

This is what would happen if a Raider and CBR had a baby, with a Kawasaki being the 'friendly' neighbor...Actually doesn't look too bad, I wonder if there is anyway to put a real fuel tank and sport seat on a raider.

we'll give it a try. thanks

My friend needs a stock CBR silencer, anyone have one let me know.

thanx

My concern is not my ability to ride a scooter but the legal ramifications if I were to be caught riding one without a license.

the test is done in a small track at the licences office and you can rent a bike there for the test, although the bike is going to be really bent out of shape.

ramifications? >> 100-200 baht under the table, or just run like i do.

sinewave. your taking the pimping of your Click to serious heights. Now offering short time on it as well...duuuudde

Once a pimp always a pimp.

Okay pimp, don't get your hopes up, but if you to meet me to show me your bike, I'd like to take a look at it.

John

I don't think you can handle the power...

shoot me a PM if your serious. No joyrides!