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24 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Your "voters who voted to leave in the referendum" suddenly now become MPs "who voted to leave in 2016".

I was talking about MPs all the time. MPs are voters. 

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Try another track - the one you're on dead-ends at a disused mine. 

MPs are the only voters for whom we clearly know what they voted for because their votes are transparent. It tells us there are voters who voted to leave but with a deal and not without a deal. It also tells us there are voters who voted to leave but without a deal and not with a deal. That’s all I wanted to prove. I don’t need “another track”. 

QED. 

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

They are not the same people though, are they?

An MP who voted to leave in 2016, for May’s deal, and against no-deal is the same person. 

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

May's "deal" is not even a deal.

It’s an agreement between two parties. That’s a deal. 

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

It's better to get clean out; then the EU will negotiate properly.  

You are certainly allowed to have your opinion. 

4 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Again show me where I have stated where I said what people actually voted for. Until then I will not reply to your posts.

 

I hope you are not going to do a sammie1 who realises he wrote an untruth and just wouldn't admit it.

 

Someone claimed May’s deal doesn’t mean to leave. You seemed to agree to that. Should I have misinterpreted your post and you in fact agree that May’s deal means leaving then please correct me and I’m more than willing to apologize for misinterpreting you. 

4 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Labour are not sticking to their manifesto, they are changing it. Do some reading and look at what John McDonnell is saying. So they are going back on their manifesto and he as shadow chancellor, is talking about a new manifesto. Allegedly like their GE election leaflets already printed.

One person saying something doesn’t constitute a change of the party manifesto. 

Anyway there are clear rules governing elections. MPs are not obliged to agree to an early election. 

1 minute ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Tell me where I have stated what people actually voted for

When you agreed that May’s sea doesn’t mean to leave. It’s factually incorrect because it would end EU membership. It’s also incorrect because there are leave voters who voted for this in the Commons. 

1 minute ago, Laughing Gravy said:

If as a party you had a manifesto and now you change it, isn't it only right you give the people the choice to vote in an election, as you have changed the goal posts and stance, on what you as an MP came to power, in their constituents.

None of the parties changed their manifestos. All manifestos clearly said to leave with a deal (CON, LAB) or not at all (some others). 

Just now, Laughing Gravy said:

Sadly it is what Europhiles and many remainers believe. The EU is the holy grail of entities and can't believe that someone wouldn't actually want to have their identity took away, get there food sources and industries raped and tell them under a disguise of being independent what to do.

 

That coupled with paying for a load of free loaders and allowing millions of people enter your country and reap the benefits the people have had, whilst working for years. Who would dare say no!

Oh, we are back at telling people what they actually voted for. So that’s the kind of democracy you want to be respected. 

Your problem is, once you start telling people what Leave means, others might do the same and force their interpretation on you. 

Just now, nauseus said:

For some voters it is? Remain voters maybe?

For voters who voted to leave in the referendum, then for May’s deal in the Commons and against no-deal subsequently. So no Remain voters. 

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

You make it sound like May's "deal" was actually leaving. 

For some voters it is. You should respect their vote same as you want yours respected. 

7 hours ago, nauseus said:

You are trying to split the leave vote. You are wasting your precious time.

JRM and his ERG are splitting the leave vote. They blocked to leave. So is the other side. That’s your reality. Don’t run away from it. 

1 hour ago, tomacht8 said:

What is so bad about a common European army?

Nothing is bad about it, they’re just clutching straws while at the same time enjoying NATO. 

10 minutes ago, kingdong said:

You,'ll need them when comrade Cornyn gets in.

I’ll be LMAO as I’m doing since three years. If there’s anything Brexiteers have achieved, then it’s proving great entertainment for a European guy living in Bangkok. 

11 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Referendum result = leave (or just leave, if you insist).

 

Just leave = leave with, or without a deal. 

The people who voted to leave disagree with you, otherwise they wouldn’t be blocking to “just leave”. 

33 minutes ago, nauseus said:

It exists and it looks like it's the only real way to get out.  

It doesn’t. There’s only “leave with May’s deal” and “leave without a deal”. And maybe there’ll be “leave with a disguised May deal” or “leave with a customs union arrangement”. But there is not such thing as just “leave”. So your referendum result is not applicable. 

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

The constant denial of reality.

At least you’re admitting it now. 

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

You cannot vote for something that is not on the ballot paper, leave was on the paper though.

Too bad it doesn’t exist in reality. There is only “leave without a deal” and “leave with May’s deal” in reality. None of which was on the ballot paper.