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1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:
Did you see any sign, even a tiny little sign, that the EU changed their mind because of Boris "leverage"?
It is very obvious that Boris dreams about something which is not happening.
It's like if you go to 7/11 next door and tell them: From tomorrow on I want my beer for 1/2 of the current price. If you don't give it to me for half the price then I will walk away and never come back. Do you think the 7/11 will be impressed by you? Do you think they will give in because your business is so very important to them? Or is it more likely that soon you will go back to them and ask if they let you in again because the next shop is far away and they also don't give you any special price.
But he has been such a good 7/11 customer all the years. Doesn’t he deserve such special treatment?
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7 minutes ago, usviphotography said:
Boris is absolutely doing the right thing. Your error is not understanding leverage and incentives. The EU doesn't want the UK to leave the EU and they don't really care about the financial havoc that a never ending Brexit process wreaks on the UK Economy. As long as the UK stays in the EU, they are satisfied. So the ONLY way the EU would be inclined to offer the UK a satisfactory deal is the threat of a No Deal. If Boris can't leave on Oct 31st, why would the EU offer him a deal when he goes hat in hand to them on Oct. 30th asking for a good deal? The EU will laugh in the UK's face and say, "Or what?". The UK has no leverage. And without leverage, the status quo will continue indefinitely. Brexit could dominate British elections for the next decade.
That’s certainly not an EU issue. It’s simply because you don’t have a majority for it. That’s something you have solve domestically.
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2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:That's what we'd like to do. But Parliament will block the General Election for as long as possible as well (via the fixed term parliament act which requires a 2/3 Parliamentary majority to vote for an election) because they know they'd lose their seats. So they...
Block the deal.
Block No Deal.
Block an election to remove them.
Parliament dragging the country down to their level. A shambles and an embarrassment, not fit for purpose.
As the electorate, you have a right to elect a new government and parliament every x years. Government has the right to ask for an earlier election; parliament has the right to reject or approve of that. You can see, everyone is playing by the rules, only some Brexiteers seem to want to ignore the rules.
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It has been said to death. Boris has mentioned get rid of the backstop and the EU won't, as it ties the UK to the EU, which is keeping the UK in the EU. Even those who are mentally challenged know this.
This is utter nonsense. It is a transition service — something the UK should be appreciating as it helps her to leave without causing more disruption. The same happens when a company sells a business unit. Typically the selling parent company would agree to provide transition services (such as using the existing IT, licenses, agreements etc.) so that the sold company has time to build those itself (or a potential buyer has time to implement his). I have yet to find a CEO (of a business to be sold or a potential buyer) who would disagree to that — typically it’s the other way round and the selling company would like to get out as soon as possible.
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3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:
Anyone with any common sense knows that it is all about keeping the UK in the EU.
Even if that’s the case — it’s their right to do that. If you want to change it, elect a parliament and government that will not keep the UK in the EU. That’s how the process works.
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2 minutes ago, JamesBlond said:If Brexit is not delivered, expect riots.
I’m expecting lots of keyboard warriors rioting at their desks.
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2 minutes ago, grumpy 4680 said:
If the UK goes further down the pan, then at least we have a list of the TRAITORS to go for.
They must be really scared now.
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6 minutes ago, Basil B said:21 MP's to lose the whip...
So even with the DUP the Tories are now 22 MP's short of a Majority,
Only Boris could inflict so much damage to the Tory party.????
They’re already backpedaling. Leadsom said those 21 MPs would get a second chance at the next vote. Does she really think anyone cares?
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That was definitely a good start of the new Brexit season!
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6 minutes ago, Lokie said:
I believe in democracy...
Certainly not the representative parliamentary democracy that made referendums advisory.
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2 minutes ago, dunroaming said:
It has been said over and over again that if the UK can come up with a workable alternative they will consider it. But no proposal of any alternative has been offered up.
Please be fair. I’m pretty sure Boris has offered alternatives that are workable in lala land.
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27 minutes ago, Lokie said:Most Remainers have done exactly as I stated - been totally obstructive at every turn against the process of Brexit as voted in a referendum by the British people.
Next you will be surprised that vegetarians keep fighting against killing animals for our food despite “the people” loving their meat. Life is not a children’s playground; did you really think that “winning” a paper tiger advisory referendum would be enough to create change?
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11 minutes ago, Jip99 said:
So Barnier categorically refusing to remove the backstop (which prevents UK parliament agreeing any deal) is "negotiation".
It might surprise you, but it is in fact part of a negotiation that a negotiating party refuses the other party’s demands.
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Boris can have his election:
1. Lose the vote today
2. Lose the vote for a snap election
3. Lose the votes for the bill against no-deal Brexit
4. Lose the no-confidence vote
5. Enjoy the election
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When a sovereign parliamentary representative democracy has given itself clear rules, according to which
- referendums are advisory,
- a PM does not have the power to change that, and
- parliament may bring forward new laws;
and then a small group of extremists demands that
- a referendum shall be considered as binding,
- a PM’s promises shall be considered as law, and
- parliament must not bring forward new laws;
then I am wondering who is the one trying to overturn that parliamentary representative democracy... ????
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QuoteThey cannot accept losing the referendum.
Or they just don’t care about how anyone scored in a referendum that is non-binding and advisory, when the actual decision and law making happens through a system of parliamentary representative democracy.
QuoteShameful behaviour.
Not sure if either side really gives a damn about what the other side considers shameful.
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On 8/28/2019 at 9:51 PM, Forethat said:
Hi.
Just wanted to check back in with you for an advice
I generally don’t give out advice for free, it’s how I make a living.
On 8/28/2019 at 9:51 PM, Forethat said:on what measures you want the parliament to take?
I don’t want anyone to do anything. How often do I need to tell you that I don’t care?
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5 minutes ago, vogie said:Boris is not the problem, Parliament is.
Change your system from a parliamentary representative democracy to autocracy then.
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12 minutes ago, Forethat said:Almost certainly British citizens? Personally, I at least make an attempt to provide official stats when I make claims, but I guess there's a reason why it's not your style..
Really? I couldn’t find any “official stats” in your post claiming those protesters are Germans.
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14 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:
Which Brexiteers have said they want to break the ECHR?
But did you check that all the judges and clerks there are properly elected by the British people, and it’s the sovereign U.K. parliament that makes the laws handled by ECHR?
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51 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:
Delusional or uneducated, possibly both. Do your research.
You are the one making ridiculous claims. You are the one to prove it.
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1 minute ago, Laughing Gravy said:
So what about all those countries that have had votes ignored or told to vote again.
There are none.
1 minute ago, Laughing Gravy said:What a wonderful democratic organisation the EU is.
Exactly.
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1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said:
I wonder are you personally confident giving all the members of the EU the vote to leave. I doubt that.
Where does Article 50 say a member state needs to vote before triggering Article 50 to leave? Any member state can leave when it wants to.
Opponents of 'no-deal' Brexit defeat PM Johnson, who promises an election
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Big secret: Businesses will always produce where it’s cheaper, and they don’t need “Bureaucrats in Brussels” for it, otherwise Apple would produce its iPhone in the US. Do you really think Brexit will bring any of those jobs back, or stop businesses in the future moving production to lower wage countries?