.png.3b3332cc2256ad0edbc2fe9404feeef0.png)
welovesundaysatspace
-
Posts
4,069 -
Joined
-
Last visited
Content Type
Profiles
Forums
Downloads
Posts posted by welovesundaysatspace
-
-
- Popular Post
43 minutes ago, mfd101 said:No end of entertainment. At least for non-Brits.
Three years of slapstick. After the dancing queen and all the nonsense from armchair economists and lawyers you thought it can’t get better. And then came the buffoon with his little Rumpelstiltskin.
-
2
-
1
-
2
-
2 minutes ago, vogie said:
Bercow will have to clear it with Gina Millar first.????
I doubt it. He will just reopen parliament. Maybe the tories want to stay home? ????
-
1
-
-
- Popular Post
5 minutes ago, JAG said:The courts are after all the product of the establishment, and I suspect that the government realised that from the start.
You haven’t understood the rule of law: it doesn’t matter what background you’re from. The laws apply to everyone. Even for a product of the establishment such as Johnson.
5 minutes ago, JAG said:Both results, obtained through the ballot box, have effectively been overturned by this establishment, and a general election, the proper constitutional means to arrive at a solution has been denied.
You haven’t understood the constitution. If you want to do Brexit, you need to have a parliamentary majority. If you don’t have that, it’s not overturning anything. In fact, you want parliamentary democracy and the rule of law to be overturned by a manipulated opinion poll.
-
8
-
1
-
2
-
- Popular Post
Maybe Brexiteers want to reconsider Brexit now and instead aim for leaving the UK? Freed from the shackles of all those constitutional laws, the Supreme Court and those bureaucrats in parliament. Adopt a North Korea model where people don’t have anything to eat, the rule of law doesn’t exist, and votes can be manipulated with lies and propaganda.
-
4
-
1
-
3
-
- Popular Post
22 minutes ago, JAG said:The normal, common, decent thing would be to call a general election. BJ wanted to, an alliance of the opposition and his own party rebels won't allow it. Why not?
The typical Brexiteer logic. Fuxxing it up and then expect others to act. As a reminder, it is Johnson found guilty, he should act decently now by resigning. The opposition parties didn’t do anything wrong; they’re not obliged to anything here.
-
7
-
1
-
2
-
18 minutes ago, sanemax said:
You didnt understand the whole sentence .
The whole sentence that said that a trade deal with one of its smallest trading partners is a priority now?
-
1
-
-
- Popular Post
33 minutes ago, nauseus said:This is a good listing with some explanation:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendums_related_to_the_European_Union
Particularly this bit of the same listing. The European Constitution (failed) is essentially the same as the Lisbon Treaty. Notably, the French and Dutch rejected the European Constitution but were not given a vote on the The Lisbon Treaty, with the UK, Denmark, Czech Republic, Poland and Portugal not given a vote for either.
European Constitution, 2005
Several member states used or intended to use referendums to ratify the Treaty establishing a Constitution for Europe (TCE).
-
Spain — 2005 Spanish European Constitution referendum, 20 February 2005, 81.8% in favour, turnout 41.8%
-
France — 2005 French European Constitution referendum, 29 May 2005, 54.7% against, turnout 69.4%
-
Netherlands — 2005 Dutch European Constitution referendum, 1 June 2005, 61.5% against, turnout 63.3%
-
Luxembourg — 2005 Luxembourgian European Constitution referendum, 10 July 2005, 56.5% in favour, turnout 90.4%
Referendums were planned, but not held, in:
-
Czech Republic — Czech European Constitution referendum
-
Denmark — Danish European Constitution referendum
-
Ireland — Irish European Constitution referendum
-
Poland — Polish European Constitution referendum
-
Portugal — Portuguese European Constitution referendum
-
United Kingdom — United Kingdom European Constitution referendum
Again, you fail to provide any evidence for the accusation.
Since the laws are clear that the EU doesn’t have any say in a sovereign member state’s referendums, it’s a blatant and pretty stupid lie.
33 minutes ago, nauseus said:A fine example of EU influenced democracy at its finest!
A fine example of how sovereign EU member states are. And a fine example of how Brexiteers only care about the will of the people when it goes their way.
-
3
-
1
-
1
-
3 hours ago, nauseus said:
Evidence to the contrary?
Ask that the person who made an accusation without being able to provide evidence. It’s up to him to prove it; not the other way round. Or would you want to be asked to prove that you’re not e.g. a psychopath?
Whatever, everyone who’s not completely stupid knows that Denmark is a sovereign state and that there’s no legislation or agreement whatsoever that would allow the EU to impose a referendum on the Danish.
-
Quote
Of course, one could argue that irrespective of the legally advisory-only nature of the referendum, the promises made to the electorate at the time were politically and miorally binding and should be honoured.
I don’t think anyone would argue that a prime minister (or his government, or his party) should stand above the law, and that putting a prime minister above the law should be considered moral or honest.
QuoteBut as the marathorn bid to betray the referendum result rolls on, to use the words "moral" and "Parliament" in the same breath is to utter an oxymoron.
As we agree that the referendum was not binding, there is not betrayal of the referendum result.
-
- Popular Post
30 minutes ago, David in the north said:The 2016 referendum was " a final, legally binding" one.
It’s sad that you guys don’t even know your own laws.
-
1
-
2
-
- Popular Post
Just now, RAZZELL said:I think you're the one that's lying!
That’s a lie.
-
2
-
1
-
2
-
- Popular Post
24 minutes ago, englishoak said:I dont take kindly to being called a liar, so ill list just give the first proof on Denmark, the others are just as easy to check and are just as accurate and true...
It is in fact you who are making false claims and now also proven to lie, not I.
1. You made an accusation that the EU made Denmark hold a referendum.
2. I told you that’s a lie.
3. You still couldn’t prove your accusation.
4. It’s obvious that your accusation is a lie, since Denmark is a sovereign state and there’s no legislation that would give the EU a say over Denmark’s referendums.
5. Posting lies makes you a liar.
-
3
-
1
-
7 minutes ago, Bundooman said:
Just typing "That's a lie" is akin to a six year old child saying the same thing.
If you dispute the OP's post - why don't you tell us why it is untrue - and furthermore - please tell us what the truth really is regarding his claims.
Otherwise - it would appear that you just don't like the 'truth'......
I, for one, would really like to see a structured response.
Thank you!
When you accuse someone of something, it’s up to you to prove it, not the other way round. Would you want to prove you’re not a criminal?
-
1 hour ago, transam said:
Do you actually think before you post...?
Now go back to my post and read it again and reply to what I said...
You wrote that you find it “daft” that people are supposed to know their own laws.
-
Just now, transam said:
Actually it was General Godfrey Bloom....But if all you want to do is lambaste whilst stomping your feet carry on..
PS. It seems the MP's at the time didn't know their own laws, yet you reckon Mr. & Mrs.Bloggs should....How daft is that.....????
So Brexiteers find knowing their own laws “daft” and think laws don’t have to be respected when you didn’t bother to know them. And that’s the type of democracy they want to see protected.
-
- Popular Post
2 minutes ago, englishoak said:2nd June 1992. Denmark, by Referendum, rejected the Maastricht Treaty. Made to vote again.
That’s a lie.
2 minutes ago, englishoak said:8th June 2001. Republic of Ireland, by Referendum, rejected the Nice treaty. Made to vote again.
That’s a lie.
2 minutes ago, englishoak said:29th May 2005. France, by Referendum, rejected The European Constitution. Vote ignored.
That’s a lie.
2 minutes ago, englishoak said:1st June 2005. Netherlands, by Referendum, rejected The European Constitution. Vote ignored.
That’s a lie.
2 minutes ago, englishoak said:12th June 2005. Republic of Ireland, by Referendum, rejected the Lisbon Treaty. Made to vote again.
That’s a lie.
2 minutes ago, englishoak said:5th July 2015. Greece, by referendum, rejected punishing bail out conditions. Given even harsher conditions.
And?
-
4
-
1
-
5
-
1 hour ago, kingdong said:
Like remain did when offered a general election?
1. You can’t do a runner from a general election. It’s bound to happen every x years.
2. There’s no party called “Remain” that could participate in such election.
Get your facts right before posting.
-
- Popular Post
- Popular Post
42 minutes ago, transam said:I didn't read it, I watched army folk discussing it...
Like you didn’t read your own laws before the referendum but listened to “government folk” telling you it would be binding?
-
1
-
2
-
Just now, JonnyF said:
Why not?
Yes, go for it. You have a proven track record with these things; I’m pretty sure it will be as successful as Brexit.
-
1
-
-
18 minutes ago, JonnyF said:
Laws can be changed. The last month should have shown you that.
Parliament is sovereign.
Sure, find a parliamentary majority to change the UK system that general elections are advisory only.
-
1 minute ago, JonnyF said:
If the Lib Dems win the General Election there is no way they should be given power.
Brexiteers again fail to know their own country’s laws.
-
2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:
Swinson, you and others posters who are against democracy are the swamp that has infested a great country. It is that statement of ignoring democracy embarrasses all those who fought for democracy, in two world wars
...says the person who thinks people shouldn’t exercise their right of free speech by booing a Prime Minister ????
2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:You ought be be ashamed of yourself. If you are not, then I am ashamed for you and any other Brit who believes that ignoring the democratic referendum result, is more important than democracy itself.
It was an advisory referendum only. Nothing is being ignored.
-
1
-
-
- Popular Post
1 minute ago, jesimps said:The PM's just attempting to carry out their wishes.
And he’s trying rrrreeeeaallly hard. I mean, seriously. Really, really hard. Let’s give that hard-trying man some credits. สู้ๆน่ะ Boris.
-
3
-
3
-
3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:
He or any PM shouldn't have to be booed at a press conference, anyone who thinks otherwise is the clown.
Maybe someone could have sent a SWAT team to handle those nasty examples of free speech. That’s the type of democracy Brexiteers like — only when it goes your way.
Court ruling could throw Johnson's Brexit plan into more disarray
in World News
Posted
Maybe he can hide there until 1 November. ????????????