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40 minutes ago, cooked said:

This parliament passed legislation that clearly permitted a referendum

And advisory referendum. They could have passed legislation for a binding referendum but didn’t. 

40 minutes ago, cooked said:

This parliament (including many that have no turned into Remainers) also agreed to European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018. 

Yes. And now they’re passing another law preventing a no-deal Brexit. 

40 minutes ago, cooked said:

There was no "with or without a deal" clause, either in the referendum or in the act of parliament, and voters knew very well what they were voting for.

How do you know what voters were voting for? 

40 minutes ago, cooked said:

I think Boris would be ready to go to jail

Cool, no problem with that. 

40 minutes ago, cooked said:

rather than ask the EU for something neither he nor the UK (outside of London and Scotland) doesn't want. 

You don’t know what “the UK” wants. 

24 minutes ago, JAG said:

The UK has voted to leave the EU, in a referendum confirmed (please note those who dismiss it as "only advisory") by a subsequent General Election. The parliament produced by that election has voted on, and passed into law an act which says that the UK will leave them EU, the date fixed (after one fruitless delay) is the 31st of October.

Under the UK’s laws, the referendum was advisory only. 

Under the UK’s laws, a PM alone could not declare it binding. 

Under the UK’s laws, parliament can enact legislation making the UK leave on a certain date. 

Under the UK’s laws, parliament can equally enact legislation saying the UK shall not leave without a deal. 

Under the UK’s laws, general elections  are held every x years. 

Under the UK’s laws, a PM may ask parliament for an earlier election. 

Under the UK’s laws, parliament may refuse auch request. 

If you don’t like the laws, emigrate to another country or rally for a change of laws. Until then, I’m afraid you have to abide the laws. 

24 minutes ago, JAG said:

Preferring instead to leave the government in place, yet prevent them from governing.

The government is not being prevented from governing. The government has to govern within the sovereignty of parliament but apparently is unwilling to do so. 

24 minutes ago, JAG said:

Now some of these "parliamentarians" are suggesting using the courts to back up what they are trying to do (frustrate an election).

When law is being broken, the standard procedure is to call a court. Again, if you don’t like the rule of law, I’m pretty sure there are some authoritarian regimes in this world where things are being handled differently. 

24 minutes ago, JAG said:

Boris Johnson has no choice,

He has a choice: he can govern within the sovereignty of parliament, or he can resign if he doesn’t want to respect parliament. 

24 minutes ago, JAG said:

and he can truthfully say it was not of his making.

Everyone told him so. Only the most delusional Brexiteers would believe that replacing the dancing queen with the buffoon Boris and his little propaganda minister could overturn parliamentary sovereign. 

24 minutes ago, JAG said:

The courts, if they are dragged into it ( I would bet they don't want to be) might just say to the complainants "go away and have an election to settle the matter."

That must be the same courts that are answering the question of the armchair lawyers whether the U.K. has already left the EU. I’m pretty sure user @evadgib is still excited. 

24 minutes ago, JAG said:

This is what happens when a parliament, or elements within it, choose to ignore the expressed intentions of their electorate, and manipulate parliamentary processes to allow them to do so.

This is what happens when parliamentary representative democracy is working, but part of the electorate feel it may be ignored.

24 minutes ago, JAG said:

Incidentally, Mr Speaker Bercow, a man so self obsessed that it has been suggested that he would have been in the first lifeboat off the Titanic, has deliberately been party to that manipulation.

Call the courts if you believe he acted against the law. 

6 hours ago, Thairealist said:

Unfortunately those who lost the vote, decided not to respect the electorates decision.

1. It’s an advisory referendum. It’s being “respected” by considering the advice. That’s already happening.

2. How do you “respect” the wish of the electorate who want to leave without a deal while at the same time “respecting” the wish of the electorate who want to leave with a deal? Both voted to leave. 

8 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Why does the Reuter’s headline say “Lawmakers prepare court action...” when its actually the anti-democratic treasonous forces which are usurping the existing law passed for us to Leave the EU?
MSM Remainerism at work again.
The whole thing has been a Remainer tantrum for the past three years. They are still trying to overthrow the law we have to Leave the EU. They are not Lawmakers, the are Lawbreakers.


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Here, have some. 

6 hours ago, StreetCowboy said:

Until the EU admits that Brexit means Brexit they will forever be the stumbling point to the triumph of our Great Nation.

7 hours ago, StreetCowboy said:

Until the EU sign up to that, we will forever be blocked by their intransigence.

Brexit is your project alone. The EU doesn’t have to do anything. If you can’t get your shxt together that’s your problem. 

29 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

boris is still leaving come what may

Leaving the PM job you mean.

This must be confusing for the Brexiteers after they believed it’s all a big conspiracy of the elites.

18 minutes ago, JAG said:

A parliamentary representative democracy  serves to represent  the wishes of those it represents, not what they (the representatives)  think is good for them (those who elect them).  That is why they are elected on a manifesto.  Both the Conservative  and Labour parties were elected on an emphatic manifesto  to take the UK out of the EU,  honouring the referendum result is the phrase  which comes to mind.

No one said they won’t. 

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The Tory rebels. And the Labour  party have openly and deliberately  reneged on that manifesto. 

That’s not true. 

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They should  face the electorate without delay.

If parliament decides so. 

Thank you, Donald Dumb. 

6 hours ago, Loiner said:

That’s been happening for long enough while we are still a member of the EU.

Because there is no border as long as you are a member of the EU. 

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 What do they think will change with any kind of border, hard or not?

Less smuggling. Better chance of detecting smuggling. Could be one of the reasons why probably all countries in the world have borders around their territory, no?

Anyway the EU’s borders are not your or the Uk’s business. You can keep your own borders open if you want to. 

5 hours ago, sanemax said:

It has been the EU

The EU doesn’t have a say in the UK leaving. Get your facts right. 

5 hours ago, sanemax said:

and the remainers who have prevented what the people of the UK voted for

The people of the UK voted for the current parliament to represent them. That’s not being prevented as we can see at the moment. You can’t overturn parliamentary representative democracy with a paper tiger advisory referendum. 

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

Another sad example of what happens when the losers of a democratic vote refuse to accept the result.

Looking at how Brexit is going I’m wondering who “the losers” are ???? Keep celebrating your great victory of having won a non-binding referendum.