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You have already stated that you like facts. So do I. Here are a few facts: Here is the Antarctic Treaty for reference: https://www.gc.noaa.gov/documents/1959-Antarctic-treaty.pdf “The Antarctic Treaty area” referred to in the treaty is defined as “the area south of 60 degrees lattitude”. This is, effectively, the vast majority of the land, outside areas designated for tourism. Here is the link to the US Department of State Handbook of the Antarctic Treaty system: https://2009-2017.state.gov/e/oes/rls/rpts/ant/index.htm Tourism and other non-governmental activities: “The environmental protocol designates Antarctica as a giant natural reserve…”. Like in a military base, all activities and pathways in Antarctica must be approved. This in itself is remarkable and unique (with the exception of North Korea, probably). No motorised vehicles are allowed in order not to disturb wildlife: “Do not use aircraft, vessels, small boats, or other means of transport in ways that disturb wildlife, either at sea or on land.” Antarctica stretches across thousands of miles, which are virtually impossible to explore without a means of transport. And permits are required on top of that: To explore or traverse Antarctica, you not only need a permit, which entails a close examination of your purpose, parties, credentials, backing, etc., you must also submit a (very expensive) environmental impact statement and much more. Also, you’re required to avoid substantial amounts of land. This renders Antarctica explorations virtually impossible for anyone outside “official” sources. If you want to travel to Antarctica, you must complete the following form (DS-4131 “Advance Notification Form – Tourist and Other Non-Governmental Activities in the Antarctic Treaty Area“): https://eforms.state.gov/Forms/ds4131.PDF Once you submit the form, “The Department of State, in consultation with the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the National Science Foundation (NSF), will then determine whether the expedition is subject to U.S. jurisdiction. If we determine that the expedition falls under U.S. jurisdiction, we will provide information on how to proceed with the EPA and NSF documentation processes, which are mandatory under U.S. law.” https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/country/antarctica.html All this combined makes it virtually impossible to travel beyond the areas allocated to touristic routes, the vast territory south of 60 degrees lattitude. Also notable are the Antarctic Specially Protected Areas, which amount to 1,373 sqm and whose access is strictly forbidden under any conditions.

This is by far the smartest thing you've said this year, Nick.

You are absolutely correct. Thank you for clarifying this.

No, I'm talking about a working model of a globe around which water is uniformly held to the surface. If no such model exists, then it is de facto a theory. And I think it is pretty fitting to say it is a theory that holds no water.

You spoke to the wrong guy there, Skeptic7 is on your side I respecfully recommend not getting too uptight, we are just a bunch of guys having a discussion, it's cool. And I am open to real counterpoints and solid arguments, out of principle I always strive to admit if I am proven wrong. "Belief, not fact": that's a bit rich coming from a heliocentrism proponent, even Copernicus doubted his theory.

At this stage I believe neither. Just posting a counter-point… and joshing a bit (some oversensitive types would say trolling). The main point, to me, is that even if a 24-hour Sun exists in Antactica, it doesn't prove anything, this has been overhyped and all over the MSM. The fact that this guy (whom I had never heard of TBH) claims this or that is notable but not too much importance should be given to it. Shock value, a couple of punchlines… but ultimately, this "final experiment" resolves nothing.

This is a possibility, yes.

Surely this has been reproduced on a small scale with a working model. I would be interested in seeeing that.

A "Final Experiment" not covered by the media. 18 months in Antarctica and no 24-hour Sun. 18 Months in Antartica - No 24 hour Sun.MP4

I was aware that they were making another video about this. The hype around it and media coverage was more a bad sign than anything else, to be honest. Anyway I have watched The Final Strawman Experiment, which, if it is actually not faked (some strange shadows and CGI glitches in there), indeed shows a constant Sun. This, as I said earlier here, is not incompatible with a level plane and does not resolve the incoherences of the heliocentric globe model such as absence of curvature or the impossibility of gravity holding water on a ball. The premise, which posits that showing a constant Sun in Antactica unequivocally proves the heliocentric model is real, is fallacious. Even if not fake, it debunks and/or proves nothing. Final Experiment - CGI.mp4

Still water doesn't curve.

It's a cruise itinerary. There are no tourist expeditions on the vast majority of the mainland.

No worries. The post-Reformation era is a very interesting period of history.

Correct.

For the third time in this thread: touristic routes are confined to outlying enclaves. The mainland is restricted by government-issued permits which are impossible to obtain.

Why We Are Not Allowed to Visit Antarctica https://brightside.me/articles/why-we-are-not-allowed-to-visit-antarctica-814786/#:~:text=The treaty states that Antarctica,delicate balance that exists there. If you're honestly interested in the topic, I can provide you with resources which explain how it is simply impossible to obtain the government-issued permit to visit. Nobody can go.

I'll check this out tomorrow.

You're looking at this the wrong way if you think there is an egotistic element in my posts. It's interesting because you're encouraging me to drop it and let you guys enjoy your echochamber. The fundamental issue, I believe, really is social pressure and group effect. You are incapable of addressing the incoherences of the heliocentric model and systematically default to the "it's not possible because too many people would have to be in on it" position. "Pseudoscience" is a BS term which, in essence, refers to anything which challenges the doxa.

Please spare me the pseudo-psychologism.

I say this respectfully, but you need to study this more in depth. Start with the Antarctic Treaty. We are not allowed to go.

The Final Experiment Sounds like a Netflix series. I will watch it tomorrow nonetheless and get back to you.

I know you're not ready to go there yet, Hummin, and as I said, I get it. Keep on asking questions, stay honest and open, breaking away from the deception is a slow process (it took several years in my case).

The process of believing one's eyes and common sense independently, breaking free from the doxa in spite of the massive social pressure and vilification, is the opposite of indoctrination. Dave Weiss is a pretty reliable source of information among others, IMO.

You and I can climb Everest anytime. We can't go to Antartica. That's my point.