dereklev

Lets drop the flaming and accusations and try to stick to factual confirmation of what is a very serious topic.

A very good point sbk, and one that the concerned parents in Korat do try to stick to!

However not always possible when a know it all newbie is continually allowed to make such preposterous accusations....

No children died because I would not breach a confidence on a public forum, and for you to suggest so was completely out of order.

Don't dig an even bigger hole for yourself. Someone has just reported above that 5 more children are now in a coma.

If someone had shouted sooner maybe just one infection could have been avoided?

Yet another cheap shot diddly!

You must be such a nice person to have a beer with, not!

Why did you not raise the alarm when you first heard about it? Because you were scared of being ridiculed and because your extended Thai family did not know and did not believe!!

Boy have you and they lost face big time, but all of you are probably too stupid to recognise that!!

I posted the information here and have been ridiculed. Do I care? Not one iota!!

It is not about who is right and who is wrong, it is about the lack of information on a major health issue.

Re-read your posts then look in the mirror and say to yourself I have been helpful and informative on this issue.............

If you are honest with yourself you cannot, I on the other hand can!!

Buriram

My oldest son almost 4 yrs, has gotten sick coffin and having slime in his troath and very hot skin, but when checking temperature he is normal 37,5 celsius.

In the morning we went to our doctor whom also delivered my son, and checked him out,

4 different bottles paracetamol, Chlorpheniamine maleate, Brompheniramine maleate, and RANCIL Amoxicillin.

He told my wife that he knew about the situation in Korat and for us to look for any stiffness or bleeding from nose etc that might occurand if so go straight to the hospital.

The thing is that my wife didnt tell me about it, i confronted her with the info from thaivisa and she sad, yes the doctor told me in the morning about it.

Idont belive that my son is that very ill but you never know so all the info i get the more i know how to respond correct.

I think there will be som topsalopsalay when she gets back later, it so typical to only say what se prefer to say as it might be difficult to explain whats it all about.

Ill get back later on the issue of his wellbeing and the shitty explanation my wife will tell about not telling the hole story.

Tjipp

Goofy,

Rest easy. You doctor obviously has diagnosed your son as suffering a bacterial infection, hence prescribing Amoxicillin.

Nose bleeding is NOT a sympton of Enterovirus 71 which is rarely fatal even in children.

Those others spouting virus 71 have not the first idea what it is. Makes them sound impressive though.

Take it easy on your wife. The Doctor could not have informed her of the alleged outbreak in Korat unless he reads a local sad farangs forum. More likely your wife will not allow you to believe you know something she doesn't. A cultural thing.

So far there is NO CONFIRMATION of an outbreak of a viral epedemic in Korat. Just members of another forum trying to outdo each other with each claiming they have unnamed sources who strangely choose to confide in farangs but not local schools. A cover up my arse!!!. Not as though it could affect the tourist industry.

There is nothing on the ministry website, the British Consul knows nothing. Local Thais know nothing, schools no nothing. Only ex-pats. You are witnessing an outbreak of mass hysteria amongst the farang community, and like most viral infections there is no cure.

Any comment on the above, <deleted>!

Come on mpd say what you mean and stop sitting on the fence.......

Folks, yesterdays newspaper confirms 5 children dead, 2 in Sikhiu and 3 from other Korat areas. The article mentions Enterovirus. The article suggests to take care if your children are under 5 - no food from the street, don't share food or drink. If symptoms are such as high temperature, continually sick, stomache ache and not eating/drinking then get medical attention immediately. The virus can kill within 2 days.

If you or someone you know can read Thai, the article is here: http://koratfarangdotcom.googlepages.com/virus.pdf

sr

I would hope immediate medical attention be sought for a child suffering the above symptons whether or not a health warning was issued.

In responce to a previous post which quotes deaths from an outbreak of EV71. This refers to deaths amongst serious cases not all cases.

I have carefully considered whether I owe Dereklev an apology. I was wrong and am sorry for that. Not for myself but for the fact children have died. Let us hope there are no more deaths.

I too was concerned. I, like most ex-pats with Thai wives, have a large extended family although fortunately none under 5. I had initially taken the story, posted in another forum, at face value and asked around my Thai relatives in the area who themselves asked around. But they all dismissed the story.

I myself was very very sceptical and, yes, dismissive, assuming the rumour mill was at work.

I asked for the name of a single health professional who could possibly be persuaded to come public. But Dereklev considered he had a duty of confidentiality to his doctor. I understand and respect his reasons. But I do not agree with him where children lives are at risk. Therefore I am unable to offer an apology.

Maybe it was a farang who tipped off the newspaper.

I understand the references to Isaac now. I cancelled my membership of the other place, he/she hasn't. I left because after reading through the threads I decided it was too parochial a forum, intolerant of criticism of Korat (I have no criticisms of Korat, other than it is a dull place -and I doubt few on Thaivisa would disagree), intolerant of lively debate but tolerant of rudeness.

It was through that forum I learnt of this place and Stickmanbangkok (read his writings on Korat and its' expats - he says he has received a lot of abusive e-mails from Korat which validates his writings). So thank you koratfarangdotcom.

My disdain for the other forum is verging on contempt. Consider the snide attitute taken by members of that other place to KoratConnect comments in this thread. He is trying to be helpful. Consider the nasty, concerted vindictive campaign against him in the Korat forum and consider who really deserves an apology.

I do not need or want an apology from you.

No children died because I would not breach a confidence on a public forum, and for you to suggest so was completely out of order.

You wanted the Drs name so you could go to the headmaster at the school your nieces(?) attend and ask him to take precautions against the virus spreading at the school. I hope you still intend to do this now you can quote the source as the Thai Rak newspaper. Perhaps you will post the outcome of your conversation here.

You dismissed everything said by myself and others in this thread based on what?? On the fact that your wives relatives dismissed it? Thais seem to dismiss everything they don't know about or don't understand, great grounds for some of the caustic comments you made!

I would not take everything Stickman writes as gospel, he is way past his sell by date.

Not sure where on the other forum there is a nasty, concerted, vindictive campaign against Korat Correct, perhaps you would let me know where I should be looking.

He is a nice man who I enjoy having a beer with. He knows that I do not agree with many of his views but what a dull life we would lead if we always deferred to anothers views.

I have no idea who tipped off the newspaper but if it was a farang so what??

Hope you continue to enjoy your life in boring Korat....

It all suggested that you know as much as your login name suggests!!

If a paediatrician I trust and respect confirms there is a virral outbreak and they are treating it as an Enterovirus then that is good enough for me.

I could not care less whether you believe what I say or not.

Dereklev,

You are correct. I do know diddlyquat about this matter. So help me.

Did your sons Doctor say there had been a number of deaths from an unknkonown virus in Korat city hospitals.

If YES, can you give his name and location so I can speak to the school my relatives attend so if they don't believe me I can refer them to the doctor?

Put yourself in my shoes. Do I go to a school privincipal and say a farang on a web forum says his pediatrician says such and such and I want you to act now. I wonder what reaction I would get.

Diddlysquat,

I have thought long and hard about your post.....

I am sorry but the Doctor spoke to me in confidence and to give out a name would be betrayal of confidence, something I am not willing to do. They are, IMHO, the best paediatrician in Korat and it is in my son's best interest to be cared for by this Doctor.

As mpdkorat has posted this information has come from many sources and is fast becoming common knowledge with Thais as well.

I have been told I am hysterical, irresponsible and that I am posting to raise a scare...all complete cr*p!!

I am just a concerned father who wants to do the best for my 18 month old son!!

Derelev

Do not let these people get you down. I respect you to the max for being a concern parent as well you should be. What better concern can we have but for the concern for our children, I pray that these cases do not spread but parental concern is not hysterical. I am confident that wih caring parents such as your self that your son is at a mininmal risk. Children of school age as my granddaughter is give me more to concern. But as they grow they also gain the immunity and abilities to ward off these childhood illiness. As parents and grandparents we must be diligent in our quest to provide the most healthy and happy enviroment for our most precious resource our young ones.

God bless you and your family

Thai Ranger

Thanks Thai Ranger....

Your comments bought tears to my eyes!

At least now the Thai press have reported on this, I feel some confidence that the Thai Health Authorities will take the necessary actions to stop this outbreak.

Indeed our childen are our most precious resource.....

It all suggested that you know as much as your login name suggests!!

If a paediatrician I trust and respect confirms there is a virral outbreak and they are treating it as an Enterovirus then that is good enough for me.

I could not care less whether you believe what I say or not.

Dereklev,

You are correct. I do know diddlyquat about this matter. So help me.

Did your sons Doctor say there had been a number of deaths from an unknkonown virus in Korat city hospitals.

If YES, can you give his name and location so I can speak to the school my relatives attend so if they don't believe me I can refer them to the doctor?

Put yourself in my shoes. Do I go to a school privincipal and say a farang on a web forum says his pediatrician says such and such and I want you to act now. I wonder what reaction I would get.

Diddlysquat,

I have thought long and hard about your post.....

I am sorry but the Doctor spoke to me in confidence and to give out a name would be betrayal of confidence, something I am not willing to do. They are, IMHO, the best paediatrician in Korat and it is in my son's best interest to be cared for by this Doctor.

As mpdkorat has posted this information has come from many sources and is fast becoming common knowledge with Thais as well.

I have been told I am hysterical, irresponsible and that I am posting to raise a scare...all complete cr*p!!

I am just a concerned father who wants to do the best for my 18 month old son!!

I don't think just by putting father's surname on the birth certificate will enable a child to have the right to claim it's father's nationality. I think you meant the father will be named as the child's father on the birth cert.

The amphur office will only require the father's passport showing a non-O or B visa. No problem for the baby to have dad's surname, however if he's not married, the baby can only get British citizenship if he (dad) returns, has a house and work in the UK. If he get married before the baby arrives, baby can have a Uk passport through the normal process at the British embassy in Bangkok.

If not married then question of citizenship is referred back to the Home Office in London. There is no automatic right for an unmarried father to pass nationality to the child. It is at the discretion of the HO.

I have not heard that you need to be in the UK, working and a homeowner to do this. But all things are possible.....

I believe at present it is a wait of approx 18 months for a decision to be made.

Best to get married before the baby is born!!! Only joking....

Diddlysquat

Thanks and yes he didnt speak to her about that at all, it was something referring to mosqitos and ill try to write it here later in thailish of course.

kailuetchoch or something similar, isnt easy to write when you almost cannot prononce it.

The kids are ok and coffin abit running noses, same as all kids down the road.

Today shopping at surin tesco, bigc and makro i feel sorry for my self and my creditcards.

Cheers

Glad to hear the kids are ok goofy.

Maybe he was warning her of Dengue Fever which is always a problem in the rainy season and supposedly the mosquitoes are more active this year.

I know what you mean about feeling sorry for yourself and your credit cards! !

Please don't take this in the wrong way as I know English is not your native language...

It is coughing that your kids are doing.

Coffin is what people are buried in....

Congrats BB...

I hope that Mrs BB and baby BB are doing well.

Enjoy being a dad it is the greatest feeling in the world.....

My 18 month old son is just changing from being a mummy's boy to a daddy's boy.

Now everything is Dad, Dad, Dad.......it makes my heart melt! !

Our best wishes to the 3 of you.

To explain my last post. This was in response to a nasty hysterical rant from Dereklev that disappeared whilst I was drafting my reply.

I deleted my last post for my own reasons, it certainly was not a hysterical rant.

It questioned your original post and why I should have to name the person I have spoken to, or others name the people they have spoken to.

It all suggested that you know as much as your login name suggests!!

If a paediatrician I trust and respect confirms there is a virral outbreak and they are treating it as an Enterovirus then that is good enough for me.

I could not care less whether you believe what I say or not.

There are many very concerned farang parents in Korat, if you are not amonst them then as they say in Thailand...Up To You!!

Surely the main hospitals in Korat will know something.

As I said Lazykhao......

It is said that more than a week after it was first talked about that the local Doctors still have no idea of what the virus is.

I believe this is an irresponsible post designed to cause alarm to people with young children.

What efforts locally have you taken to determine the facts? How do you know children have died from an unknown virus? Have YOU spoken to medical professionals in the area? If so what are their names or positions. Have schools been alerted, to your personal knowledge?

You say local doctors have no idea what the virus is so you are posting here to obtain authoritative information. Do you realise how ridiculous that appears?

No doubt you will pass on forum members expert speculation to the medical authorities.

Lazykhao you may think what you want! I would however suggest that you read what has been written before you engage your brain

I have an 18 month old son and I am very concerned at the lack of information coming from the Thai medical authorities. I am only looking for knowledge to help me keep my son son safe and well.

Yes I have spoken to a medical professional and the outcome of the conversation is posted above. Other local farang have also spoken to medical professionals and it is the lack of information that prompted my original post.

Yes the deaths have been confirmed and are common knowledge amongst the Farang community in Korat.

You have twice called me ridiculous yet I merely wish to keep other parents informed and to see if anyone on this forum has any information to share. This topic has been running for at least 10 days on a Korat based Forum that I cannot name here.

If you find that ridiculous you have scant regard for the lives of young children!

By the by as Cheeky Farang says the 30th is weeks away not this Sunday.........

KC I took your post seriously and know that you were being helpful.

I was only trying to point out that the use of unprescribed medication is not a route I would follow for my son.

You can search the internet and find drugs for all maladies. It doesn't, in my book, mean they should be used unless prescribed by a doctor.

There are more than 70 Enteroviral infection types.

They are spread by oral to oral or faecal to oral routes

Incubation is 2-5 days

They are highly contagious

After ingestion of the infected material EV's are implanted in the alimentary tract ( nose to gut)

Specific antibodies may be detected in serum after 1 week.

Affects children under 10 years and Neotates are known to suffer myocardial problems.

Treat the fever and replace lost fluids ( see entry before)

Oral lesions with mouthwashes.

Pleconaril is an antiviral drug !!!!!!!!!!!!

Watch out for Cardiac or Neurological complications. ( stiff neck partial paralysis. See before)

Enterovirals can be misdiagnosed and often are. See herpes simplex or influenza.

There is also the possibility of a bacterial gut infection ( common in UK)

(A gram negative organism can be treated with Erythromycin!!)

Often a non polio enteroviral but all children should have been given Polio vaccine and possibly the Meningitis Vaccine hence the Public Health Dept.

(An information directory notice)

Dereklev -- Prevention is definitely better than cure so you have been given that advice.

Thanks for the advice KC.....

I have however spent the last few days taking every PRACTICAL measure to keep my son safe.

Pleconaril is licensed to treat the common cold...

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=12412

Erythromycin is used in the treatment of sexually transmitted diseases....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erythromycin

Here is a link from the KEC Information Directory that is relevant to Enterorviruses......

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/revb/entero...olio_entero.htm

I have just spoken to my son's paediatrician at the Ratchasima Thonbori hospital.

He confirmed that there is a potentially lethal virus in the Korat area.

He confirmed that they do not know what the virus is at present. He said it could be as long as 10-14 days before they knew for sure. Samples (?) of the virus have been sent to BKK and overseas for testing.

He said that at present they are treating the virus as an Enterovirus.

I asked what precautions I should take to protect my son and was told that isololation from other children was the surest way of protecting my son. He particular mentioned NOT taking my son to nursery, markets, shopping centres etc. He said that they believe the virus is passed by saliva and other bodily fluids and can also be transmitted through contaminated food and water.

Do not let your children share food and drink with others!!!

He repeated all he said to me in Thai for my wife..........whether she will listen or not is another thing!!!

There are, as yet unconfirmed reports, of an unknown virus affecting young children in Korat and the surrounding area.

It has been suggested that it maybe be Dengue Fever, Meningitis or Enterovirus.

It is said that more than a week after it was first talked about that the local Doctors still have no idea of what the virus is.

There have been reports of several deaths in young children.

Can anyone shed any light on this??

I don't know anything about what may be happening in Korat now and you don't mention the symptoms these children have. However I can tell you that:

-- there appears to be an epidemic of dengue just getting way in SE Asia. Occurs about every 2-3 years. Will present as high fever wth chills, headache and (in the complicated form which affects young children) bleeding -- bruses and lttle red spots at first then hemorrgahage from stomach, nose, just about anywhere. Caused by a day-time biting mosquito which likes to breed in water jars and stagnat water near houses. The hemorrgahic form requires immediate care in a high quality hospital to min imize risk of death. Without out that fatality is high.

-- there have been outbreaks of japanese B encephalitis in that area in the past. Also mosquito-borne but a different msquito and found mostly in areas where pigs are raised. Will present as fever, headache and loss of consciousness, affectes adult & children alike, very poor progbnosis but there is an effective vaccine available.

--- meningitis can have several different causes, both viral and bacetrial, and outbreaks occur from time to time. Presents with similiar symptoms to encephalitis anf the differential diagn osis is based on findings from a spinal tap. There is a vaccine available for meiningococcal meningitis but not for viral.

Enterovirus usually causes a diarrheal illness which would look nothing like the diseases described above.

Denue is statistically the most likelt but if so, should not take the Public Health Min istry long to figure iut, they have lots of experience with it.

Anyhow if you live in Korat, protect yourself & your kids from mosquito bites as best you can, keep water jars covered and stagnat water away fro mthe house. And if there are pigs kept nearby consider the Japanese B vacine.

The symptoms include Pyrexia (high temp), fever, dehydration etc.

This is a quote from 1st July by someone who works at one of the major govenment hospitals in Korat......

She said that there appears to be a new viral infection that has caused 4 deaths in her hospital and 3 deaths in non government hospitals. Parents are bringing their children into hospital with high temperatures and within 24 hours the virus has attacked the heart and lungs causing respiratory failure and death in 24 hours.

That is all I know as of now....

I have edited to add the following....

I have just spoken to my son's paediatrician at the Ratchasima Thonbori hospital.

He confirmed that there is a potentially lethal virus in the Korat area.

He confirmed that they do not know what the virus is at present. He said it could be as long as 10-14 days before they knew for sure. Samples (?) of the virus have been sent to BKK and overseas for testing.

He said that at present they are treating the virus as an Enterovirus.

I asked what precautions I should take to protect my son and was told that isololation from other children was the surest way of protecting my son. He particular mentioned NOT taking my son to nursery, markets, shopping centres etc. He said that they believe the virus is passed by saliva and other bodily fluids and can also be transmitted through contaminated food and water.

Do not let your children share food and drink with others!!!

He repeated all he said to me in Thai for my wife..........whether she will listen or not is another thing!!!

Surely the main hospitals in Korat will know something.

As I said Lazykhao......

It is said that more than a week after it was first talked about that the local Doctors still have no idea of what the virus is.

...so clearly they don't..

KC there are many posts on the KEC Information Directory website, I was just trying to widen the catchment area for responses.

The symptoms include Pyrexia (high temp), fever, dehydration etc.

This is a quote from 1st July by someone who works at one of the major govenment hospitals in Korat......

She said that there appears to be a new viral infection that has caused 4 deaths in her hospital and 3 deaths in non government hospitals. Parents are bringing their children into hospital with high temperatures and within 24 hours the virus has attacked the heart and lungs causing respiratory failure and death in 24 hours.

That is all I know as of now....

There are, as yet unconfirmed reports, of an unknown virus affecting young children in Korat and the surrounding area.

It has been suggested that it maybe be Dengue Fever, Meningitis or Enterovirus.

It is said that more than a week after it was first talked about that the local Doctors still have no idea of what the virus is.

There have been reports of several deaths in young children.

Can anyone shed any light on this??

Admin/Mods I have posted this in the Health Forum and the Isaan Forum in the hope of getting maximum coverage, There are a lot of very concerned parents of young kids up here, me included!! We would appreciate it if you could leave it in both Forums. Thanks

There are, as yet unconfirmed reports, of an unknown virus affecting young children in Korat and the surrounding area.

It has been suggested that it maybe be Dengue Fever, Meningitis or Enterovirus.

It is said that more than a week after it was first talked about that the local Doctors still have no idea of what the virus is.

There have been reports of several deaths in young children.

Can anyone shed any light on this??

Anyone coming to the BBQ on the 30th and needs directions please PM me or Cheeky Farang and we will forward them to you.

Hope that lots of you will make it

Maybe if we start CREC first and a committe appoint me to be an observer how we SHOULD have started the club, then your commite can decide if they will accept an observer from CREC and then put it forward to your president......

Alternativly you could just pop down for a cold beer and a laugh.......

Sounds good enough to me! I will tell you when I am on my way!

As an irregular member of the KEC Ad Hoc Committee (and host of the party) I would like to formally invite svenivan the Founder and I assume President-Elect of the CREC to come and observe our next meeting.

Whilst he is here I hope he will enjoy a few cold beers with us.....

I am English and my wife Thai. We live near Korat.

We have an 18 month old son, who speaks and particularly understands both English and Thai.

We speak mainly English to him at home as we feel he won't have any problems learning Thai.....

He loves watching cartoons and actually has a preference to watch in Thai...

.......I'll buy the first round but only if you behave yourself Ken. Very diplomat post Ken where was the diplomacy last wednesday.

Thai Ranger

I think there was a full moon that Wednesday night.

:D

Certainly was something in the air that night!

Back on topic, I wasn't going to reply as this topic should be discussed somewhere else. The place the democratic process choose.....

However as Ken rightly points out even a Social Club needs some organisation and to that end I hope Korat Correct will come to the next meeting at my place on the 30th July.

Jockstar

Yhe new Dynasty Grande in Soi 6 should fit the bill. 1800 baht a night excluding breakfast.

Very nice rooms and swimming pool just came back from a few days there...

Phone number is 022551333

Just a reminder.......................

There is a meeting of the fledgling Korat Expats Club at Pasinee's Restaurant on Saturday 24th June at 1pm.

I hope many of you will be there.

If only to have a few beers.....

Well, it's my wife's birthday today and I think she's planning a trip into Korat for some birthday shopping. So, I should be able to make the meeting "if only to have a few beers....".

Blue eyes: Those "dancing girls" could be looking really good for some entertainment, as I'm a bit skeptical that there will be much in the way of a "serious" meeting. But that's me and my skeptical outlook. Cheers.

Didn't think you wanted anything too serious Ken..............

By the by, Giles has sent me an email saying he is unable to attend today.

Happy Birthday Mrs Ken.

Just a reminder.......................

There is a meeting of the fledgling Korat Expats Club at Pasinee's Restaurant on Saturday 24th June at 1pm.

I hope many of you will be there.

If only to have a few beers.....

Minburi, the rules of this forum have prevented me from using stronger language than a humble 'tosser'.

Wishing a spell in the IDU on anyone, to me, invites a shitty response. What kind of ex-pat are you? Let me guess; one of those guys that mutters 'bloody ferang' at the sight of anyone who resembles a 2 week tourist, right?

You seem to have deep feelings regarding ferang overstays. Fair point, I also believe it is silly to overstay, though I have done myself a few times. However, I dont believe this warrents a condesending, petulant point of view such as 'a spell in the IDU would be good for the guy'. The guy has been a naughty boy - but nothing more.

Not taking sides BattyBatty as I would hate to hear of anyone being locked up for an overstay.

But how the h*ll can you say overstaying is silly and then proudly boast you have done it a few times!

You sure you are not your friend....