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How about Top Thai Military appointees revealing their assets. Now THAT I would like to see

 
 
NLA members Lt-General Kampanart Ruddit, General Teerachai Nakwanich and General Walit Rojanapakdee said they were ready to reveal their finances.
 
Its a good idea to really read the topic once in a while.

I read it.It says 3 members of the Junta's NLA are ready to declare their assets.So far there's no evidence such a declaration is mandatory.

As for the Junta itself and the scores of military appointments in government and state enterprises, there is no suggestion that a declaration of assets will be required.

I am very sympathetic to this exemption.After all the Junta has an intensive reform programme and has no time for this kind of bureaucratic hassle.Furthermore they are good people rooting out corruption so it's hardly likely they would be seeking to milk the system.Finally the Thai armed forces are focused on serving the nation, not on business interests and are thus famous for their honesty and transparency (particularly with regard to procurement).

Let's here no more calls for the Junta to declare their assets.It's simply a Thaksinite distraction to muddy the waters when the Thai Nation stands behind our leaders.


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She won't flee now, it's too early, she'll wait till the bars are beckoning, if it ever reaches that stage, and then run.

Good point.Let's all concentrate on this case and monitor events closely.After all it's obviously one of the most important problem facing the country at present.


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Just goes to show how moronic the mindless sheep who followed the PAD and their reincarnations up until the PDRC.

The leader of the group being as corrupt as Thaksin! Well i think most people with half a brain new this already.

Pity the self portrayed 'educated' middle class who followed them are so brain dead!

The only mindless thing is your misguided gloating, painting everyone and everything that goes against Thaksin and his minions as being Yellow Shirts and Sondhi's "sheep".

No I think Smutcakes is pretty much on the money, particularly his comment on the myopic mainly Sino Thai middle class.

The fact that notorious zealots for the PAD cause " like " your post simply underscores my point.

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Indeed those who followed the false savior Sondhi were duped as were those that followed the equally false Thaksin - both convicted crooks.

However, very many of the recent anti- Shin PTP were not yellow shirts or supporters of the PAD or Sondh - even though all you Shin supporters love to pretend they are. Like you love to pretend that Thaksin and his clan are some sort of socialist benevolent society rather than a convicted fugitive and a group of corrupt politicians.

14 people "liked" his post (rather more than liking yours). Suggesting that they are all zealots for one particular cause, which is only your opinion, doesn't make your own comments balanced or unbiased. How much research did you carry out with members of the Sino Thai middle class before deciding that their rejection of a blanket whitewash for Thaksin and trusting him with 2.2 trillion baht which the taxpayers would have to pay back but given no details on how it was spent was myopic?

I don't really see how the folollowers of Sondhi were duped.They have surely seen all their objectives secured with "good people" now firmly in charge, awkward dissent being repressed and the military in the leading position.

The rest of your post doesn't make any sense.In any case it's just a silly rant so confused it's rather hard to understand what your point of view is.You have mixed up the Sondhi led protest with the more recent PDRC demonstrations against the blanket amnesty (which I strongly opposed myself).

A severe sentence is warranted but neither should it be forgotten that this guy cost the Thai economy hundreds of billions of Baht through his self-serving wickedness over the airport and associated acts

So this is the guy that organised all those acts of terrorism at the airport. I thought so, but he got away with that did'nt he .

Actually the yellow shirts were attacked with grenades while in front of the airport building, I think one person died, some wounded, and moved in. Surely you do not want to suggest these acts of terrorism were done by themselves against themselves ?

Unbelievable.Still in denial.

Just goes to show how moronic the mindless sheep who followed the PAD and their reincarnations up until the PDRC.

The leader of the group being as corrupt as Thaksin! Well i think most people with half a brain new this already.

Pity the self portrayed 'educated' middle class who followed them are so brain dead!

The only mindless thing is your misguided gloating, painting everyone and everything that goes against Thaksin and his minions as being Yellow Shirts and Sondhi's "sheep".

No I think Smutcakes is pretty much on the money, particularly his comment on the myopic mainly Sino Thai middle class.

The fact that notorious zealots for the PAD cause " like " your post simply underscores my point.

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The fact that you wrote "The fact that notorious zealots for the PAD cause " like " your post simply underscores my point." rather underscores that you still haven't learned the meaning of intellectual honesty; you are incapable of seen beyond your prejudices.

I'm afraid that is just a jumble of words devoid of meaning.If you disagree with a post do make some effort to be coherent.

Just goes to show how moronic the mindless sheep who followed the PAD and their reincarnations up until the PDRC.

The leader of the group being as corrupt as Thaksin! Well i think most people with half a brain new this already.

Pity the self portrayed 'educated' middle class who followed them are so brain dead!

The only mindless thing is your misguided gloating, painting everyone and everything that goes against Thaksin and his minions as being Yellow Shirts and Sondhi's "sheep".

No I think Smutcakes is pretty much on the money, particularly his comment on the myopic mainly Sino Thai middle class.

The fact that notorious zealots for the PAD cause " like " your post simply underscores my point.

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I don't know whether I can call it funny, as it might be the insiduous work of a virus of some kind attacking the memory of most of the TV contributors writing about this one... Just a single question as a test: is anyone in his right mind honestly believing that, when and if, Mrs/Ms Yingluck would indeed come back to Thailand on Sunday, she would have made the decision on her own and by herself? It's only Pinocchio (whose nickname might that have been among Bkk students...?), in the fairy tale, you know, who was 'transmutated' from a puppet to become alive as a little boy (nothing about his nose here, please), but, hello, wake up, it's not for real, it's a story, for the kids, do you understand? Snap, snap! OK guys, you're awake now? And do you now also have a clue about who would be masterminding all of such a 'strategic operation', down to the tiniest details (hint: he just became 65)? Allright then, let's just move on and wait for the sun to go down next Sunday! Thank you!

(Once a ..., always a ...,  ) 

 

I suggest you cut down on the caffeine.

 

To be a little unkind I have the impression you believe you are making a perceptive observation when it is in fact just a common place.When does any very senior person take a decision (say hypothetically to launch a military coup) all by him or herself?

 

 

Bill Heinecke

You're having a laugh, right?


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The dude became a billionaire with a $2000 dollar loan.  Not bad but I guess you have something better to share?
 

 

 

Kong Rithdee since you ask.

 

Returning to Heinecke I agree he is an excellent and well connected businessman but his record in getting there is full of "unflattering incident".(I have chosen my words carefully).All cognoscenti of Thai business in the last few decades know the score.He is no worse than several Sino Thai tycoons, but no better.He uses their methods.
 

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You're having a laugh, right?


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so the next coup maker, is sure to be the next PM ... ?

 

demo-krazy ?

 

And the next P.M. hopefully will not flout the law, then another coup will not take place.

 

 

Exactly.She had the nerve to transfer an official whose views and behaviour didn't comply with her policy.An honourable government would never do such a thing...oh, wait.

 

 

The inheritence and land tax however have a very big loophole in it which would be used by the rich to minimise the effect of the tax on them, that is the appraised value of the assets. It is normal practice in Thailand to lower the purchase price of properties for transfers to decrease the fees payable to the LO. For the tax to be effective all properties should be re-evaluated on an annual basis.

That is why there are appraisers.. its fun to see a red-shirt now argue against the tax. First they were saying this tax would never be (and to be honest I did not disagree with them) Now its there they say it won't be paid but to be honest I disagree. If they put some good appraisers on it then they will have to pay.
 
Its fun to see red supporters trying to have a go at the junta even though they do good things.
 
I don't like taxes, but Thailands tax base was far too small.
 

Why must you try to make everything about color coded politics? Can't you just look at a comment and take it for face value. I didn't say the tax is bad or that it will not work. The only problem is that if they want it to work they need to appraise every property in the country on an annual basis for that there needs to be a system inplace which is not there at present. And no it will not be a few appraisers, there will have to be thousands to get a baseline appraisal which then are changed on an annual basis. Before critising a person please do some research and educate yourself about how things work in this world. I doubt it if you even pay taxes in Thailand like myself but you have plenty to say. The junta have done good things and the bad I can't discuss with you, because its against the law and thats the crux of the problem.
 

I just remember who the red posters are and read their posts differently. This is a giant step forward that no goverment (Democrats also) would ever have done because they would be voted away. Plus the rich were in control. This is a great thing just take it as it is and sure there might be some problems with it but that can be rectified. You go from not taxing the rich to something that will work (even if some things should be amended). The General will be remembered as the man fighting corruption and making the changes the PTP would not make. I say cheers.
 
As i noted before thought the threshold should be higher and tax higher om more valuable things to hit the rich a bit harder and exclude the poor a bit more. But this is way better as before when the rich were NOT taxed at all.

It is fatuous and ignorant beyond belief to think the interests of the rich are not a primary concern of the Junta.





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Believe it when the proposal is enacted into law with an appropriate set of rates - ie not token - and applicable to all without exception.

In short as likely as it is that I will be decapitated by a frisbee.


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A Democrat whistleblower on the great Thai rice crisis fraud/corruption/contamination (strike out whichever strikes your fancy) is disturbed to find that most of the rice stocks are in good shape.

 

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/rice-whistleblower-baffled-10-percent-rice-stockpiles-bad/

The military let her go for a reason... but what that reason is, is hard to guess.

The reason is she is still extremely popular. Not only with fellow citizens but internationally too.

I think one just has to consider the evidence in terms of international reputation.

Which democratically elected leader was welcomed by monarchs and statesmen of all free societies? Which government is a pariah snubbed by all except opportunistic totalitarian states?

In terms of domestic popularity the answer is already known, hence the decision for the Junta to intervene.

Come on, jayboy. This topic is not the place for Junta / NCPO bashing.

Here we discuss the fun Ms. Yingluck and her son have on their well deserved holiday in Europe. Furthermore we display some jealousy regarding the freeness with which the Amply Rich travel around, something us lesser being have more problems with.

You misunderstand.I was merely pointing out who has international legitimacy and who is scrambling for some kind of recognition.

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So will the EC prosecute Suthep for making a farce of the same election by ordering people to prevent access to the polling booths?

Well we can live in hope.

But, but, but, but, SUTHEP. It never stops, does it? Some of these people still really want to persuade us that Suthep & Abhisit were the problem, not Thaksin a convicted criminal with other outstanding charges, running a crooked, out-of-control government by proxy from self imposed exile. Oh well, they can try.

Agreed it's so frustrating to be forced to think hard about the issues when it's easier to bray simplistically like Orwell's dumb animals "two legs bad four legs good".

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Let me get this straight.She's being pursued by a tainted and partisan organisation for an alleged offence under a constitution that no longer exists for an election that never took place.

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The military let her go for a reason... but what that reason is, is hard to guess.

The reason is she is still extremely popular. Not only with fellow citizens but internationally too.

I think one just has to consider the evidence in terms of international reputation.

Which democratically elected leader was welcomed by monarchs and statesmen of all free societies? Which government is a pariah snubbed by all except opportunistic totalitarian states?

In terms of domestic popularity the answer is already known, hence the decision for the Junta to intervene.

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Wad the FIDF under the direct control of the PM? If so he is plainly guilty of a conflict of interest. if not there's still plenty of information to demonstrate the unethical behaviour of the Shinawats,.see this link http://siampolitics.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/thaksin-ratchada-deal/

Yeah the real problem facing Thailand is the unethical behaviour of the Shin family.Wake up you genius .

The real problem facing Thailand is the unethical behaviour of a family which tries to position itself as 'for democracy and Thai people' especially since two (three if extended family is taking into consideration) have been PM. Real 'classy' examples of how to behave correctly in Thai society.

Anyway Ms. Yingluck declined to comment and I must admit to understand that. More important is to wait and see if Ms. Yingluck is made of sterner stuff than her brother

The Shinawatra family is not Thailand's greatest problem.Its greatest problem is an an entrenched elite that refuses to adapt.

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For those of you who are stuck in a rut about the land deal and Thaksin's conviction, here's a few legal points for you to consider. Not taking any sided in this, just pointing out the legalities.

1) Thaksin was found guilty of abuse of power by helping his wife buy the land. HOWEVER, the land was offered in an OPEN AUCTION, and his wife submitted the highest bid. Matter of public record. So, please tell me where the abuse of power comes in?

2) The courts later ruled the sale was "NULL & VOID". She had to return the land, she got her money back, with interest.

3) In civilized countries, which leaves Thailand open for debate, a ruling by the court of Null & Void means the event NEVER HAPPENED. What the Thai court ruled was that the event never happened. Therefore, under "null & void" rulings, ALL events leading up to the event NEVER HAPPENED. Which, legally, means that she never bought the land, and any "influence" or "abuse of power" he might have exerted, which never existed in the first place, NEVER HAPPENED. Therefore, his conviction for "abuse of power" should, legally, also be vacated, since he court ruled the event never happened.

Like I said, no way I'm taking sides, but merely pointing out the legalities of the whole deal.

Make of it what you will.

You claim you are not taking sides. Not the way I see it. Pretty obvious whose side you have taken. Just more of the same old pis weak Shinawatra defense jargon.

Wad the FIDF under the direct control of the PM? If so he is plainly guilty of a conflict of interest. if not there's still plenty of information to demonstrate the unethical behaviour of the Shinawats,.see this link http://siampolitics.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/thaksin-ratchada-deal/

Yeah the real problem facing Thailand is the unethical behaviour of the Shin family.Wake up you genius .

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Once again apologists for reaction can only smear talk about "red glasses" when their opinion is challenged.I see Abhisit has criticised certain aspects of the proposed Charter, does he have 'red glasses" too?

Returning to the subject your opinion is flawed, indeed absurd.Certainly Mandela has strong links to the Communist Party and was profoundly sceptical of received wisdom, particularly when it emenated from the West.In the case of the Lockerbie bombing he made himself distictly awkward in Eurpean and American circles - though I suspect he will be proven right by history.I never suggested Mandela was a Western liberal.The comparison with Suthep makes no sense.Suthep is a corrupt thug campaigning for the vested interests of an established minority elite and protected by the latter.Mandela was a champion for the majority.It's rather a crucial difference.,

but your are wearing your red shirt dear boy, in your comments all you had to add to "Suthep is a thug" was that "he is a facist", which was the stock party line coming out the red faithful on TV over many weeks not so long ago, the funny thing is Suthep has disappeared off the scene now and has become a monk... he hasnt attempted to set up a facist state in Thailand with himself as the El Duce of Thailand, as was suggested by the red faithful, he did exactly what he said he would do... get the Shins off the scene and step back

Funny how you label people corrupt thugs without any real foundation, the National party labelled Mandela a terrorist at one point in time as well.

your response to my post, is perfect example of why there will be no real reconcilliation in Thailand as a country, as your simplist view on all things is one side is good the other bad and the start calling people names and labelling them.

Without a sincere acceptance and belief that things need to change in Thailand and people are prepared to put down the guns and start talking to each other and not resort to labelling and name calling all the time, as Mandela and De Klerk decided to do to move SA forward, things will never change in Thailand.

lest not forget, although Mandela is held up as the shining light of change in SA, there was another person sitting on the other side of this by the name of FW de Klerk, who realised/decided it was time to talk as there had been too much bloodshed, and there needed to be an sincere effort to change the political landscape in SA and in fact he was labelled a traitor by a lot of his own people in SA at the time ie the Afrikaaners, because of what he intended to do, but none the less he went ahead.

as to the last part of your post, although not Mandela directly, but his legacy, the current ANC goverment is currently doing exactly what you have accused Suthep of doing

"campaigning for the vested interests of an established minority elite" except the minority elite these days is not white, but a minority group of black "elites" who have no interest in the "majority" and onlly have an interest in themselves and lining their own pockets... bit like the your comic messiah goat herder and his sister...

People may have the right to put their names on a bit of paper and cast their vote in SA these days, but the same people 20 odd years on are still poor, hungry, cant send their kids to school to get an education

Suthep is without doubt a corrupt thug, and to pretend otherwise is dishonest.He has lost his significance now because, like a rabid dog, he has served the purpose of his masters.The word "fascist" is overused but there's little doubt his street mobbery showed some fascist characteristics.

Of course all sides in Thailand should be discussing how to defuse the political stalemate.I wonder why that's not happening now.

I agree De Klerk's contribution.He had the wisdom to understand that the minirity elite would have to compromise and give ground, or they would lose everyhing.His wisdom has not been replicated in Thailand.

South African democracy though an improvement on the Apartheid regime is work in progress.It has not like some other countries been bludgeoned into extinction.

Suthep is the Mandela of Thailand.

They both may be criminal in the past, but they ended up as good men and leader of their counties.

Except for the small fact that one fought against a minority that believed that the majority were too stupid to vote, and the other fought for such a minority.

Exactly.Mandela stood for all the ideals that thugs like Suthep hold in contempt.And shame on Anand for his appalling article.

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Yes and no, originally the ANC and by default the SA communist party wanted a communist state in South Africa, (ie visions of Zimbabwe today) and to this day within the ANC, there are still some of the old school which want SA to be a "socialist/communist" type goverment, its no coincidence that even today they still refer to each other as "comrade",

The ANC took a "marketing" decision to distance themsleves from the SA communist party as they were looking for support in the US/UK and to be labelled a communist organistation, certainly in the US was a big no no, if you wanted support. Joe Slovo, who was the chairman of the SA communist party also sat on the executive board on the ANC, which gives you an idea of the relationship, so please dont suggest Mandela's "ideal" was all for a "democratic" system at certain points in his career he most certainly wasnt, that only came later

Suthep is no more a "thug" than Mandela was at certain points in his life, so please take your red glasses off

Once again apologists for reaction can only smear talk about "red glasses" when their opinion is challenged.I see Abhisit has criticised certain aspects of the proposed Charter, does he have 'red glasses" too?

Returning to the subject your opinion is flawed, indeed absurd.Certainly Mandela has strong links to the Communist Party and was profoundly sceptical of received wisdom, particularly when it emenated from the West.In the case of the Lockerbie bombing he made himself distictly awkward in Eurpean and American circles - though I suspect he will be proven right by history.I never suggested Mandela was a Western liberal.The comparison with Suthep makes no sense.Suthep is a corrupt thug campaigning for the vested interests of an established minority elite and protected by the latter.Mandela was a champion for the majority.It's rather a crucial difference.,

Suthep is the Mandela of Thailand.

They both may be criminal in the past, but they ended up as good men and leader of their counties.

Except for the small fact that one fought against a minority that believed that the majority were too stupid to vote, and the other fought for such a minority.

Exactly.Mandela stood for all the ideals that thugs like Suthep hold in contempt.And shame on Anand for his appalling article.

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LOL, one of the funniest pics in the Thaksin propaganda campaign. Thaksin ought to have had a negro's hand transplanted, if he wanted people other than the cult members to swallow this one.

Actually it is a genuine picture as was discussed and proven on this forum at the time.I have no idea of how or why it was arranged - but I fail to see the point of pretending it didn't take place.

As for Anand's ludicrous piece it's weird to think this old buffer was once regarded as statesmanlike.

As for the late Nelson Mandela it hardly requires a genius to work out which side he would support in Thailand's current conflict.

Sorry, but I do not consider a few red frothers throwing their toys out of the pram as "proving" anything.

The meeting was confirmed by the Nelson Mandela Foundation.It was a meeting, no more or less - and there's probably not much significance to it.

What is however completely unquestionable is what position Nelson Mandela would have taken on the Thai political conflict, specifically whether his sympathies would have rested with the poor majority or the feudal/military elite.That's why it's stomach turning and rather sad to see a foolish once respected old man try to make the case (by inference) for the opposite.I'm not arguing the case against checks and balances on political power - but in Thailand ther's a legitimate argument these have been suborned to vested interests (as in present day South Africa if truth to be told).

You can call it "red froth" or whatever else you like.It's the usual thicko response to any kind of dissent.But intelligent and perceptive people know the truth.

LOL, one of the funniest pics in the Thaksin propaganda campaign. Thaksin ought to have had a negro's hand transplanted, if he wanted people other than the cult members to swallow this one.

Actually it is a genuine picture as was discussed and proven on this forum at the time.I have no idea of how or why it was arranged - but I fail to see the point of pretending it didn't take place.

As for Anand's ludicrous piece it's weird to think this old buffer was once regarded as statesmanlike.

As for the late Nelson Mandela it hardly requires a genius to work out which side he would support in Thailand's current conflict.