1 hour ago, simple1 said:

Were not available in sufficient quantities even today challenging to acquire. Also knowledge has been evolving e.g. it wasn't known until recently carriers of Covid could present zero symptoms.

It was suspected since at least early february that asymptomatic infected persons could be super spreaders, it's common knowledge, reported and repeated in the news all over the world.

That the state of Georgia governor Kemp confessed his ignorance on the topic making the head lines since months , is just a poor excuse, but the example comes from the top.   

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given my living situation I'm far more likely to catch it from someone else than give it.

I've nearly died many times in my life, and we don't get born with a certificate of guaranteed life time. Death can come for any of us at any time. One can accept that or spend one's life in fear.

A short period of suffocation may be very unpleasant, but a long drawn out death by cancer is worse, and that might have happened to me if they hadn't have cut it out when they did.

I know what you are talking about, and it's good to get a second / third... chance, while it's still difficult to combat the threat of it  

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'm assuming the "younger" people had underlying medical problems.

 

WE can either hide in our room for 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 months and hope we don't get it when necessity chases us out, or we can get on with living, so long as we are not already ill.

Life is a terminal disease and none of us gets out alive.

Or you can decide you're still too young to die, and avoid endangering someone else's health.

As well, you can choose  not to die by suffocation, in the worst case in a hospiital, but watch "Six feet under" sheltered in your place... 

 

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Can one of those Trump supporters here please explain how you can still support that guy.

Compare what he said a few weeks ago with now and it's like night and day.

American had the first Corona case at the same time like Korea. Look at the way they reacted and the way the US president reacted. And look at the current stage.

Nobody can say there was no hint of what will happen.

And on top of his downplaying the situation and making it a lot worse he now still tells everybody he was and is doing everything right.

IMHO Trump should go on his knees and tell the people he is really really sorry that he made so many mistakes and in the future he will listen to experts and don't tell any BS anymore. That's what he should do, but obviously that will never happen.

 

Why do you still support the guy who showed that he does not listen to experts, plays everything down, and will cost your country at least 100,000 dead people?

simply because...

"Don’t focus on the 200,000 people the coronavirus might kill in the U.S., think about the 2 million people President Donald Trump is saving."

And it reflects the latest messaging campaign as Trump, backed by his aides and surrogates, argues that the administration’s actions are responsible for saving lives.

 

Just figure out former "citizen" Trump's comments twitted out all over the place about the actual pandemic management (had'nt he been POTUS) and he'd be right!

 

10 weeks of flattened learning curve 

7 hours ago, britanicus said:

We are and want to be part of Europe, what we don't want to be part of is the tyrannical and anti democratic European Union, more like dis Union these days.

But sometimes it works ... Welcome to Paris CDG , LOL 

"On Saturday March 28, a group of 400 European nationals left the Bolivian airport of Santa Cruz for Paris, on a charter flight chartered by the European Union (EU). It was mainly made up of French according to the French Embassy, but also of Spaniards, Belgians, Dutch, Poles and British."

https://engnews24h.com/hundreds-of-european-tourists-evacuated-from-bolivia-and-nicaragua/

"Too bad"

"Germany aims to double number of hospital, intensive care beds"

the number of intensive care beds equipped with respirators would also roughly double to about 50,000 from 28,000 currently.

 

"In recent months, some intensive care beds have had to be put out of action because of a lack of staff," said Reinhard Busse, a specialist in health economics at the Technical University of Berlin.

Germany currently has some 17,000 unfilled vacancies in nursing care."

http://www.rfi.fr/en/wires/20200330-germany-bets-s-korean-model-virus-fightback

Bolsonaro.....

1/ March 13 2020 

"ENG)Too much lies and little information. Coronavirus exam done with the team that were with JB in USA have not yet been completed There are always those people who tell lies in the media and if the story is confirmed they say "I told you!", if not will be just 1 more fake news" 

 

2/ March 15 2020 Brazilia - 

Brasilia. SERGIO LIMA / AFP

https://brazilian.report/coronavirus-brazil-live-blog/2020/03/18/bolsonaro-never-abandon-brazilian-people/

 

3/ March 18

 

 

Brazil: Population 210 M -  Three-quarters of the population, having no mutual insurance, depend on the very precarious public health system (SUS). According to press reports, the latter has around 20,000 intensive care beds, today 95% occupied, and only 5,800 ventilators, with huge disparities by region (poor Amazonian state of Amapa: 11 ventilators - 850,000 inhabitants) 

 

 

13 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Thanks to you and Heybruce for posting the facts of reality. You will always have people who have little information think they know all. Also people that look to find things just to be different. Like flat earthers.

 

I dont know how you find the patience.

 

But here is trump demanding governors pay homage to the great one.

 

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-demands-appreciation-from-governors-for-coronavirus-response-233142697.html

"“He’s been so attentive to the scientific literature and the details and the data,” Birx told CBN. “I think his ability to analyze and integrate data that comes out of his long history in business has really been a real benefit during these discussions about medical issues because in the end, data is data.” 

Here’s a guide to who’s doing best and why.

 

(Germany — All around excellence, Taiwan — Screening masters, Iceland — Random screening, South Korea — Hospital and testing capacity, United Kingdom — Testing breakthroughs, Singapore — Detailed tracing, United States — Intensive care beds and remote working...... ) 

"Trump chose Bolton to lead the National Security Council in April 2018. A month later, Bolton nixed the pandemic preparedness office as part of an effort to streamline the agency."

"He eliminated the senior director position entirely, closed the biodefense directorate, and spread the remaining staff across other parts of the NSC."

 

"Of Course the Trump Administration Ignored a Step-by-Step Guide to Fighting a Coronavirus-esque Pandemic"

Politico reports that in 2016, the Obama administration created a 69-page National Security Council playbook that included hundreds of tactics and policy decisions to “prevent, slow, or mitigate the spread of an emerging infectious disease threat.”

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/25/trump-coronavirus-national-security-council-149285

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Logosone said:

No need.

 

Both the private and public health services are excellent.

 

I'm not saying the NHS can't take care of its PM of course. 

 

But should Boris need hospital care, we're here for you, cousins.

Then hot buttered toasts for breakfast, please (Hot buttered toast for patients will improve their NHS experience, says PM)  

If we can learn from what Italian doctors warn us of

Quote " Lockdown is paramount: social distancing reduced transmission by about 60% in China. But a further peak will likely occur when restrictive measures are relaxed to avoid major economic impact. "

from the link below:

"Pandemic solutions are required for the entire population, not only for hospitals. Western health care systems have been built around the concept of patient-centered care, but an epidemic requires a change of perspective toward a concept of community-centered care. "

On 3/25/2020 at 5:23 AM, tomazbodner said:

This would have been good news. If 10x more people are infected, that means that the virus is 10x less deadly than official numbers would suggest.

Quote from the link shared below " Coronavirus is the Ebola of the rich and requires a coordinated transnational effort. It is not particularly lethal, but it is very contagious. The more medicalized and centralized the society, the more widespread the virus. "

Western health care systems have been built around the concept of patient-centered care, but an epidemic requires a change of perspective toward a concept of community-centered care.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/25/health-workers-hospitals-coronavirus-147398

 

 

 

25 minutes ago, Logosone said:

That's just a belief you have. It is unfortunately not backed up by academics with solid data. In fact reputable academics strongly disagree with your unsubstantiated belief;

 

"Yet if the health system does become overwhelmed, the majority of the extra deaths may not be due to coronavirus but to other common diseases and conditions such as heart attacks, strokes, trauma, bleeding, and the like that are not adequately treated. If the level of the epidemic does overwhelm the health system and extreme measures have only modest effectiveness, then flattening the curve may make things worse: Instead of being overwhelmed during a short, acute phase, the health system will remain overwhelmed for a more protracted period. That’s another reason we need data about the exact level of the epidemic activity."

 

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/

 

So it looks like social distancing does contribute to hospitals being overwhelmed.

this is how social distancing slows the spread: this single match saved the others  

Link below: 

In Open Letter, 32 Prominent Economists Say Saving Lives Would Save The Economy Trump Is Trying to Reopen

1 hour ago, Jonnapat said:

It's quite obvious from listening to most of the latest Trump broadcasts that the only thing that really interests him is getting reelected  in November.

The corona virus is a secondary issue which is becoming an obstruction to this aim.

Disgraceful but hardly surprising. 

 

deads can't vote,  anyway

11 minutes ago, Logosone said:

I'm pretty sure I've already had it and am immune. But I'll wait for the Brits to distribute their historic test, so I can be sure.

And may I ask you if you avoided spreading the virus by all means or just carried on as usual ?