Nickymaster

OK. So there were no "men in black". They were armed red shirts shooting at the army.

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Yes that is also the way I see it. Somebody must have killed those 20 officials or so. If it's not the man in black, there are only 2 groups left in my humble opinion (mind you I am not as intelleigent as Mr. Charlerm, or his admirer PPD):

1. Either the red shirts killed the Thai officials

2. The Thai officials killed each other

So why is this government not interested to find out who killed their 20 officials?

And then we are not even talking about the 36 sites that were attacked in Bangkok alone during this period of terror.

So is buchholz saying that Chalerm is a reliable source or an unreliable source?

If you don't get it, it is your problem.

You being a die-hard red shirt/fan, maybe it's about time for you to start apologizing for all the terror your heroes have caused, and your comments supporting their actions, instead of playing the judge.

Shame on you! Smart..s!

A tad emotional there I feel nickymaster.

It was a simple statement that buchholz contradicts himself. Nothing new about that , but then you get all personal. Curious.

Lets just wait till the real "judges" come up with the results of the inquest, shall we.

Yes I get personal if people only talk crap the whole day and even try to bother me with it.

If you don't see the difference between contradicting and being sarcastic, don't waste my time.

interesting photo of the "men in black". I wonder why they carry riot shields....

'Men In Black' Are Policemen, Chalerm Claims

http://www.thaivisa....s/#entry4908402

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Nice 1 Buchholz

but Chalerm said those who had committed criminal acts had no right to bargain for amnesty.

Really, but who has been seeking amnesty for the Dubai criminal?

And how about his son. Not real amnesty but sort of..

Since there are never any official figures that can be trusted, everybody is right (or wrong) depending on how much power you have. Being a Deputy PM, he must be right...in the eyes of the PT voters...and that's enough to keep the circus going.

I am sure the red spin doctors are about to jump in soon and misuse these atrocities for their political Thaksin's stained agenda! Pathetic.

KireB,

Kettle = black.... and, UNKNOWN men in black... Thank Newin for that faction - speaking of spin doctors.

GenJim,

Yes, the Red shirt leaders ordered their own shot and killed....

I thought the Men In Black come from the same jungle Thida came from.

So this governement is not interested to find out who killed their officials and who are the Men In Black.

Strange don't you think so.

What a coincidence.

Thaksin's brother in law is in charge of the Police, Chalerm is in charge of Thaksin's brother in law, and Thaksin is in charge of both of them. And the Police department happens to be one of the most , if not most, corrupt departments in Thailand.

What a coincidence.

The usual farangs have their knickers in a knot. Meanwhile, the majority of foreigners and everyday Thais get on with their lives and don't give a sh*t.

Says the guy who again has NOTHING to add to the topic.

So why don't you go on with your... uuhh.. life instead of being a hypocrite!

This could be amusing, who is going to be first to break the circle by admitting posting something like the above 'riposte' also adds nothing to the topic whereas the "accused" has already made his point in a previous post?

and yes I am well aware that this post adds nothing to the topic but it could stop more unnecessary posts..................

What is your problem?

The usual farangs have their knickers in a knot. Meanwhile, the majority of foreigners and everyday Thais get on with their lives and don't give a sh*t.

Says the guy who again has NOTHING to add to the topic.

So why don't you go on with your... uuhh.. life instead of being a hypocrite!

Surely the really sad news is the transfer of Lt Col Dussadee who was investigating cases of graft and appeared to be getting too close to some government politicians.

It's always been the case with all of the Thaksin run governments - get rid of any diligent anti-corruption investigators & appoint a pro-corruption crony in his/her place. Just like the current ruling party itself.

I detest Thaksin, but have to ask, " and before he came on the scene, was there no corruption ??"

Aahh...uuhh .then it is ok.

Unemployment will not increase because of the miniscule wage increase an employer will just build this into his price to his customer, so it's the customer who will pay the increase in wages at the end of the day not the employer

Well you are probably rite the employer will give his workers a raise and then raise the cost of his product. It is called inflation.

The price will be to high on some of the extra things in life that are over and above the necessities that people will not be able to afford them. So some companies will go out of business thereby causing unemployment.

Congratulation's to the government. In one bit of action they have caused unemployment and inflation.

In my mates agribusiness export, the increase added 1 percent to cost. The customer ate the increase

Could easily be many more percent and then hard choices have to be made.

Simply put there is no regard for the rule of law by any group and the country is already in a state of bovine anarchy. And all are aware of it. The ship is rudderless and it is only a matter of time before it hits a reef.....

And this is precisely why many TV members and others love living in Thailand!

Many? Or a few?

well let me break it down simply for you rubl because your nonsense is growing tiresome.

no, they weren't in power because the electorate chose them to be... the electorate didn't have a say in the change of power in 2008.

it's not so hard but i'll leave you to ponder it and try to actually understand how easy it is to answer with a yes or no... though i get the strong feeling that you know this already.

"the electorate didn't have a say in the change of power in 2008."

exactly the point which will never be conceded by supporters of Abhisit/Dems on this forum, because to do so acknowledges the lack of mandate, and tacitly acknowledges the military's role in the change of power.

It wasn't a military coup with tanks. The tools were different, but that is why the 2008 change is referred to as a judicial coup.

Because "the electorate didn't have a say in the change of power in 2008" - is the reason why the Abhisit government was confronted by Thai citizens who recognized this fact and were not willing to let the status quo stand.

If the military and other power-brokers in my country could sit in the background and decide whether a government elected by the people should be "dissolved and replaced" by something more to the liking of those elite, then, frankly, I would be protesting too.

If an elected government only whitewashes and enriches its own friends, family and Red "warriors", frankly, I would be protesting too.

Isn't Thaksin an elite....

Underneath the photograph, Khamronwit had inscribed a phrase "[What] I have today [is] due to [my] brother's generosity", expressing his gratitude to Thaksin for securing him the position as Metropolitan commissioner.

He confirmed he had met Thaksin and that as an act of anointment, he had asked him to pin the stars on his epaulets."

Bangkok Metropolitan Police Commissioner Police Lieutenant-General Kamronwit meets with convicted fugitive Police Lieutenant-Colonel Thaksin and has the inferior-ranked Police Lieutenant-Colonel with six outstanding arrest warrants pin on his Police Lieutenant-General stars.

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Khaosod News (article in Thai)

http://www.khaosod.c...c9PQ==&catid=01

Thanks for sharing.

One day this country will "explode". Even PT voters are getting sick of this "everything for Thaksin" strategy this government has adopted. There are a few PT voters in my office and they never thought that this government would go to such extremes pleasing itself and Thaksin over the general population.

If they would have known this before... Seems that the Yingluck fairytale is coming to an end.

"if only the police had done it's job" ...

There we go again. Where did the police not do their job?

See, when an SOE is declared, the military is put in charge, not the police. And Abhisit declared that 3 days prior to the first dispersal attempt in April.

As for the UDD & militant violence vs the government and army lethal force, I've already commented on that a couple of times.

The police vanished when the Reds starting terrorizing down-town Bangkok. All part of the game to make the army come in and look bad. I live in the area and have seen it with my own eyes. A guy like you who seems to have nothing else to do but spend time on TV should know this. You have enough time to find out the truth (but I doubt you would ever admit it).

In general, you need to have big balls to give the Thai Police Farce the benefit of the doubt.

So would you say you would give the army the benefit of the doubt rather than the police with respect to the events in April / May?

I think any reasonable person would agree that there was NO law and order during the Red occupation of down-town Bangkok.

So which department is responsible for law and order in this country?

Yoswarit's bail request rejected

BANGKOK: -- The Criminal Court today rejected the request of red shirt leader Yoswarit Chuklom to be released on bail

His wife, Karuna Moris attended the court session to provide moral support to the defendant.

After the court announced its decision, Yoswarit appeared worried and his wife and Thida walked over to talk to him.

Until now, I was unaware that comedian Dokjik was in a celebrity marriage with movie actress Karuna Morris.

Public Facebook Page

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What a sad story. She is pregnant while her husband is in jail. I hope he will be out soon.

Yep, totally correct, the army when in full swing and really into it used some excessive force. Mind you those armed militants who shot and lobbed grenades weren't too friendly either.

I don't think I downplay civilian deaths, I just try to emphasize that lots of deaths could have been prevented if only the police had done it's job, if red-shirts had refrained from allowing militant elements in their midst, etc., etc. So why do you tend to downplay red-shirt involvement, dear phiphidon?

"if only the police had done it's job" ...

There we go again. Where did the police not do their job?

See, when an SOE is declared, the military is put in charge, not the police. And Abhisit declared that 3 days prior to the first dispersal attempt in April.

As for the UDD & militant violence vs the government and army lethal force, I've already commented on that a couple of times.

The police vanished when the Reds starting terrorizing down-town Bangkok. All part of the game to make the army come in and look bad. I live in the area and have seen it with my own eyes. A guy like you who seems to have nothing else to do but spend time on TV should know this. You have enough time to find out the truth (but I doubt you would ever admit it).

In general, you need to have big balls to give the Thai Police Farce the benefit of the doubt.

"In general, you need to have big balls to give the Thai Police Farce the benefit of the doubt."

I just don't lampoon them without reason.

EVERY report I have read - from all sources, government, government supporting, and more independent have never pointed to the police not performing their duties. To the contrary, the police were an active part of the crowd control force.

After the SOE, the military was put in charge - that could explain why police "vanished" as you put it...

If you have other reports showing the police did not do their job and that is why the government was "forced" to call in the military, then I would be interested to see that. AFAIK, that was never the case.

Unlike some posters, I was only in BKK at the start of the protest, not the start of the hostilities, so I did not have the occasion to witness something with my own eyes and jump to conclusions as to why it happened. I've been forced to find various sources with different perspectives to piece it together. And so far, none of the sources except TVF posters have implicated the police in this way for not performing their duties.

Hey Robin to the rescue! Batman must be busy twisting.

EVERY report I have read - from all sources, government, government supporting, and more independent have never pointed to the police not performing their duties. To the contrary, the police were an active part of the crowd control force.

You can say all this with a straight face...wow.. you are amazing.

I think any reasonable person would agree that there was NO law and order during the Red occupation of down-town Bangkok.

So which department is responsible for law and order in this country?

You are right. That left handcuff is really loose. Another Red show for sympathy.

Oh dear?!! , here's what Dokchik can do in those handcuffs =

Sad man you are. Whatever the Reds do is ok. Loose handcuffs is not normal. But if you are Red, you can get away with murder.

Court rejects Red Shirt activist Jeng Dokchik's bail bid

insufficient indication that he repented his actions

the nonsense about apologizing AFTER he was released probably didn't help his case for repenting

oh well, enjoy your stay, Dokjik.

The "political prison" digs don't seem that bad compared to other possible housing.

You don't even have to wear leg-irons on your way back

Khaosod news (in Thai)

http://www.khaosod.c...9PQ==&subcatid=

see ya back again later this month when you re-re-reapply for bail...

perhaps next time get Yingluck to sign on as a bail guarantor.

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Great news. Is there going to be another appeal? I don't see how the Justice Minister can retain his job now. The loss of face of him presenting a letter of guarantee to the court and they refuse to accept it is massive. Also, those guards need to watch what they are doing Dokchik could easily take his left hand out of those handcuffs.

You are right. That left handcuff is really loose. Another Red show for sympathy.

2/ NEVER (it's that word again) WON (that means won?) an ELECTION - they were handed power by the COURTS

Saying that they were handed power by the COURTS is like a criminal saying that he is in prison because of the COURTS. Criminals are in prison because they do CRIME. The Dems were handed power because PPP COMMITTED ELECTORAL FRAUD and then the PPP decided against having a general election.

It's not a parallel that fits I'm afraid.The suggestion is that the courts in Thailand are often subject to political direction:there is plenty of evidence for this over the years and not only in connection with the attempt to destroy Thaksin.The unelected elites knew they could not defeat Thaklsin in a fair election and therefore tried a coup initially but in view of that method's disastrous impact opted for the time tested measure of co-opting the judicial system.There is plenty of irrefutable evidence for this.Incidentally the use of capital letters in posts is discouraged.It's considered "shouting" and I'm afraid as in this instance often suggests blustering as opposed to hard analysis and transparent reasoning.

There has never been a fair election in Thailand so let's not go that way. You have a winner and loser, yes, but has to whole election been "fair"..? Be honest!

The pedantry is amazing. ( and childish )

AV and the Dems have not won a recent election.

YS and her party have.

That is the point being made by binjalin.

Simple really.

So the translation from English to Spin of "I mean by the Thai ELECTORATE - he has never, ever been voted in by the Thai people" is "AV and the Dems have not won a recent election."

Thanks for clearing that up.

I can understand why you're so touchy on this subject. If I thought that the democrat party could be the saviour of Thailand, I'd be upset too. I mean it can't be much fun supporting a political party that hasn't worked out how to convince the populace to vote it into power for 20 years.

I'd be looking at that leader, especially as he'd said he would step down from being leader if he didn't achieve the number of seats he had promised, and realise I was looking at a loser.

Where is the demcrat party successful? Bangkok. There's been 3 democrat Bangkok Governors since 2004. This coming one may be of interest as both sides are seen as contributing to the Bangkok floods and a whiff of scandal blowing around the present incumbent - no wonder why he want's to extend his tenure, more of the same please.

How much longer the Bangkok dynasty will stand, who knows..................

Dem party is successful in regions the IQ of its people tend to be the highest country average. Unfortunately only 40% of the voters tend to fall under that group. 40%, there is still hope.

But then again, PT isn't really interested in educating people. They rather just make them dependent on them by giving handouts and buying their products at above market prices. It seems.

"People in Bangkok have a higher level of intelligence than in the North and North East strongholds of the red shirts."

Hellodolly, On what basis do you make what seems to be an incredibly stupid statement?

I suspect it is based on personal prejudice. But I could be wrong.

How hypocrite to call this a personal prejudice and than in the next post, without any evidence, you blame the Dem's for vote buying! Don't you get tired of yourself?

Ps; read these interesting statistics about intelligence distribution in Thailand. It seems that the strongholds of the red shirts are indeed a lot less intelligent than in Bangkok in a country that has a lower intelligence than many other countries! After reading your and your buddies posts I can only conclude you live in the North-East.

http://www.thaivisa....global-average/

Let me guess... Isan.

How many unarmed men and women needed to be killed by the army before some of the posters here would drop their resistance to this enquiry? 1000? 5000?

It's a shame when people are so heavily invested in their position justice has no importance for them

For God's sake wake up people!

How many unarmed men and women needed to be killed by the army before some of the posters here would drop their resistance to this enquiry? You should ask Thaksin, Jatuporn, Nathawut, Arisman, Thida or maybe Weng this question. It was part of their game.

Which department is in charge of maintaining law and order? If that department would have done its job, things would not have gone out of hand. But if the department in charge of law and order is in fact supporting the Reds, things become tricky to understand for the average poster. Simple as that.

Yes wake up man!

Yep, totally correct, the army when in full swing and really into it used some excessive force. Mind you those armed militants who shot and lobbed grenades weren't too friendly either.

I don't think I downplay civilian deaths, I just try to emphasize that lots of deaths could have been prevented if only the police had done it's job, if red-shirts had refrained from allowing militant elements in their midst, etc., etc. So why do you tend to downplay red-shirt involvement, dear phiphidon?

"if only the police had done it's job" ...

There we go again. Where did the police not do their job?

See, when an SOE is declared, the military is put in charge, not the police. And Abhisit declared that 3 days prior to the first dispersal attempt in April.

As for the UDD & militant violence vs the government and army lethal force, I've already commented on that a couple of times.

The police vanished when the Reds starting terrorizing down-town Bangkok. All part of the game to make the army come in and look bad. I live in the area and have seen it with my own eyes. A guy like you who seems to have nothing else to do but spend time on TV should know this. You have enough time to find out the truth (but I doubt you would ever admit it).

In general, you need to have big balls to give the Thai Police Farce the benefit of the doubt.