connda

Aerobics, Resistance Training, Yoga, Meditation, and Acceptance that your body changes as you get older. No HRT or Cosmetic Surgery. I'll deal with the hand that got dealt to me. Difficult - sure! Can you still come out a winner? You bet you can!!!

Thanks all for the suggestions. I do appreciate it.

You should give http://www.thai2english.com/ a try to see what the intention of OP is. You will see it works differently then Google translator.

I would be glad if someone could tell me n app that does the same.

I use the downloadable version of Thai2English. It's a good programs, but I've noticed that they have pretty much stop supporting it. I believe their last PC update was about August of 2011. I'd love to see this ported to Android for mobile devices, but I doubt that's going to happen.

Mod. I've been in contact with some good sources of info. The rest is just troll bait. Please close this thread.
And thanks to all who offered positive, caring suggestions.
Thanks!

I have never been to a dentist where I do not suffer pain of some sort whether is be from the drilling,prodding, injections etc.

I only ever go as a last resort,usually with six months of meditation prior to making an appointment. Could never understand how anyone could choose dentistry as a profession, apart from the money aspect.

Dentists and pain, they go together.

Bit like bones and fish. I am often told there are no bones in this fish and in the next instant I have a bone stuck in my gums.

Rarely eat fish and hardly ever go to the dentist. ( I do clean and floss well) (- The teeth I mean!

Drilling causes pain ? If you had injections first I don't believe you can have pain. Just can't believe it.

I really feel for your immense sense of of ignorance and self-righteousness. If I push a needle through your bicep and you feel no pain, than or course, no other person in the world will feel pain either. Let me parrot you: "Just can't believe it."

Until the Thai Govenment puts cops in traffic cruisers and enforce the minimum basic laws, not a freaking thing will change -- which means -- not a freaking thing will change. Moving violations are not enforced, and the primary causes of accidents are moving violations.

propofol. Sorry dyslexia attack.

Yeah, this is one of a couple of drugs used in conscious sedation. Good info. Given what you've said, I may go talk to RAM. My issue is beyond pain - it's abject fear. Thanks much.

...most Thai doctors are sadistic MFs ....They have an absolute brutal lack of apathy for human suffering. .

You are sadly one very sick person and the luck you need is not likely to be found here. For your sake we hope you leave soon.

May you be free from fear. May you be free from afflictions. May you be happy. May you be filled with loving kindness. May you be free from suffering.

_{Just wondering if the OP has considered going back to the states to get his dental work done. I just find it hard to believe that they can not kill the pain. If it was me I would not let them start until the area was pain free. I how ever am not that susceptible to pain. I used to sleep through it in North America. Here the first filling they put in I didn't realize they had done it. and I was able to eat right after it.}

_{Laugh if you want but there has been studies showing that 1/3 of the time a clothespin on the ear will stop the pain. Maybe it hurts more than the drilling.}

I've seen the studies. You could probably push a kniting needle though my bicept with less discomfort then drilling on an under-anestitisize tooth. But you are not me, so you don't have a clue what I feel. So please don't go there. I understand your point.

No I am not you. I was simply stating that if I was in your position I would not let them work on me until the pain killer had kicked in. If it didn't kick in I would not have let them work on me. I mentioned that I have a high tolerance or shall we say less sensitivity to pain. I am in no way suggesting you should too. The clothespin was a real study. You say you have seen the studies have you tried them?

Thanks. Appreciate the reply and clarification.

connda has my sympathy. Any surgeon will tell you that there is a wide range of anatomical shapes and locations for all the body structures just as we all are different in exterior form. There is also a wide range of techniques available to get around these not uncommon difficulties, if there is interest enough to practice and master them. Try the hospital dental clinic at Ram where there are no doubt anesthesiologists that can be consulted. I agree that the concept of dukkha is widely abused by the health care professionals here...

Cloudhopper. You are one of the first individuals who actually understands what I'm talking about. Anybody here take statistics in high school or university? Do you understand the variability, the statistical significance of anything? Take pain threshold. I could ram a needle completely though the arm of one individual, and they would feel discomfort. Penatrate the skin of another individual and they are in agony. You can plot this on a statistical curve. But to the average individual who has been completely indoctinated by there mediocore school system, if you even attempted to learn something - well, you can not concieive anything beyond yoiur personal experiences in life. "Well, I don't feel pain at the dentist. You must be an idiot." Look in the mirror. You don't have a clue, do you?

Cloudhopper nailed it. That is exactly what my point is.

For everyone else: Isn't Ignorance Bliss?

Yeah, I too have purchased Tramadol OTC within the last month....first time trying it, don't find it that effective but it's available.

I first had Tram while in a very wiell known BKK hosptial. I had Dengue, also known as 'break-bone fever'. Get the drift about pain? My arrogant SOB doc refused to give me something as simple as paracodeine for the pain. Only Para. So a friend of mine gave me some Tram. Life-saver!!. In my humble opinion, most Thai doctors are sadistic MFs who only work in Thailand because they can not get licensed in a Western country. They have an absolute brutal lack of apathy for human suffering. And claim to be Buddhist. But - there are a few out there that break the mold -- but they are rare.

25 years in the computer industry and after retiring and seeing the advent of 'Smart-Phones', I swore I'd never have one.

But then the pragmatic side of me kicks in. Smartphones can be had for as little as 2000 baht, most that I see are running Andriod Kitkat. OK. Now I'm dumb as a brick, but I know what I want.

My current phone is an old Nokia that you could have bought for 500 baht 4 years ago. Works for me. But here is want I want.

A phone. Simple. But also, the ability to connect to the internet to get to both www.thai-language.com and www.thai2english.com - or - a really decent Thai-English translation program.

Why? I read Thai at about 95% proficenicy - for pronunciation of the words. My understanding of the actual vocabulary is about 20%. I want a SP in order to translate writen Thai to English for the words that I don't know. Other than that, I'd rather use my laptop, but I can't put the darn thing in my pocket and then I have to seach for 'hot-spots'. So, I'm ready to buy a Smart phone that can do the very simple task I need it for -- Thai / Enghish translation, and to take an ocassional phone call.

Suggestions! And please avoid sarcasm. I really don't need it. Many thanks!

Don't get upset and attack the messenger just because you don't like to hear the facts.

FOX is just a right wing infomercial run by republican strategist Roger Ailes with a good dose of anti science thrown in to court the religious vote.

Don't let your kids watch that crap.

I also thought that Fox was attempting to show the average teen-aged girl how to be a journalist by dressing up like a Pike Street Hooker.

Actually, pandering to the religious, gullible and dumb is a viable strategy that Roger Ailes and FOX do so well.

The below chart displays US voter results by voter IQ.

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I enjoyed the upper section of the chart that showed that most individuals in that 100 to 110 IQ range can be easily manipulated and duped. Fake or not, it's interesting to see what sort of bs the individual who created the chart is trying to promote.

Yeah, I too have purchased Tramadol OTC within the last month....first time trying it, don't find it that effective but it's available.

My regular pharmacist indicated the she no longer carried it after her stock was gone. This was about a month after every other pharmacist I contacted had already said 'Mai Mee". I know one phrmacist that was selling Ultram 4 weeks ago, but considering the supply has dried up, I guess chronic pain is just a fact of life if you continue to live in the LOS.

I just use Ibuprophine, but it sucks rocks. Back to a topic I keep harping on: Pallative care in Thailand is non-existant. As a Buddhist, you're suppose to have attained the level of an Arahant and simply let the pain flow through you -- well, unless you're a BKK HISO, Politically connected, or have a doctor in the family -- then maybe you can obtain the type of pain meds you can get in the West.

And these folks allude to themselves as Buddhists. Yeah. "May you be free from suffering" well as long as you are connected, have money, and have pallative meds accessible to you. Sorry rural folk! You're out of luck.

Athiest myself, also find ganja helps ;-)

Athiest myself, also find ganja helps ;-)

Really. Dig a little deeper into true Theravada Buddhism. Follow me on this.

Atheism: a + theos.

a = without

theos = deity

There is no 'deity' in the core Theravada Buddhism. Siddhārtha Gautama, Shakyamuni who is referred to as 'The Buddha' was a man. Not a god. I won't go beyond that in this topic. Is Buddhism a religion? It depends how you define religion For me, Buddhsim is a pragmatic solution to end suffering. It's a paradox. It often is.

Yeah, I too have purchased Tramadol OTC within the last month....first time trying it, don't find it that effective but it's available.

My regular pharmacist indicated the she no longer carried it after her stock was gone. This was about a month after every other pharmacist I contacted had already said 'Mai Mee". I know one phrmacist that was selling Ultram 4 weeks ago, but considering the supply has dried up, I guess chronic pain is just a fact of life if you continue to live in the LOS.

I just use Ibuprophine, but it sucks rocks. Back to a topic I keep harping on: Pallative care in Thailand is non-existant. As a Buddhist, you're suppose to have attained the level of an Arahant and simply let the pain flow through you -- well, unless you're a BKK HISO, Politically connected, or have a doctor in the family -- then maybe you can obtain the type of pain meds you can get in the West.

And these folks allude to themselves as Buddhists. Yeah. "May you be free from suffering" well as long as you are connected, have money, and have pallative meds accessible to you. Sorry rural folk! You're out of luck.

Athiest myself, also find ganja helps ;-)

Dude - I'm totally with you on that. If I was back in WA State, I'd ganja up prior to the appointment. But here in the Land of Sadistic (LOS) medical practitioners, and BIB Shakedowns, ganja gets you jail time. Just saying.

_{Just wondering if the OP has considered going back to the states to get his dental work done. I just find it hard to believe that they can not kill the pain. If it was me I would not let them start until the area was pain free. I how ever am not that susceptible to pain. I used to sleep through it in North America. Here the first filling they put in I didn't realize they had done it. and I was able to eat right after it.}

_{Laugh if you want but there has been studies showing that 1/3 of the time a clothespin on the ear will stop the pain. Maybe it hurts more than the drilling.}

I've seen the studies. You could probably push a kniting needle though my bicept with less discomfort then drilling on an under-anestitisize tooth. But you are not me, so you don't have a clue what I feel. So please don't go there. I understand your point.

_{Just wondering if the OP has considered going back to the states to get his dental work done. I just find it hard to believe that they can not kill the pain. If it was me I would not let them start until the area was pain free. I how ever am not that susceptible to pain. I used to sleep through it in North America. Here the first filling they put in I didn't realize they had done it. and I was able to eat right after it.}

_{Laugh if you want but there has been studies showing that 1/3 of the time a clothespin on the ear will stop the pain. Maybe it hurts more than the drilling.}

If I sat down with you and related nevertihing, you'd shake your head <Dang!> Like I said, we're not done with this. My Thai wife isn't a run-of-the-mill, feel-free-to walk-all-over-me-and-my family type. I did not tell her that the last appointment with my dentist just about made my piss my pants (literally). We have another appointment to talk with the dentist and owner. We'll see what shakes. I will not go thought this again -- ever. My wife is going to sit in the room with me, and if the pain issue cannot be resolved, we'll start with the owner of the business and start working thought any dentist in the staff the can actually perform pallative care. Have you ever seen a pissed off Thai woman? She's there. The next appointment should be interesting.

Thanks to all who offered words of support.

Yeah, I too have purchased Tramadol OTC within the last month....first time trying it, don't find it that effective but it's available.

My regular pharmacist indicated the she no longer carried it after her stock was gone. This was about a month after every other pharmacist I contacted had already said 'Mai Mee". I know one phrmacist that was selling Ultram 4 weeks ago, but considering the supply has dried up, I guess chronic pain is just a fact of life if you continue to live in the LOS.

I just use Ibuprophine, but it sucks rocks. Back to a topic I keep harping on: Pallative care in Thailand is non-existant. As a Buddhist, you're suppose to have attained the level of an Arahant and simply let the pain flow through you -- well, unless you're a BKK HISO, Politically connected, or have a doctor in the family -- then maybe you can obtain the type of pain meds you can get in the West.

And these folks allude to themselves as Buddhists. Yeah. "May you be free from suffering" well as long as you are connected, have money, and have pallative meds accessible to you. Sorry rural folk! You're out of luck.

You pose a question and then denigrate our good faith efforts to help? Sheesh!

Sorry. I did see your post and did look at the links. Good info and many thanks.

I apologize only to the extent that some individuals seem to think this is some kind of a joke, and that using sarcasm and ridicule is somehow appropriate. I responded directly to them. Your suggestions were well recieved. I thank you! No problem with the misunderstanding.from me.

they do a very poor job at numbing the mouth here as they are scared of giving proper painkillers during operations. worst case, you can take some of the strongest OTC painkillers (I think codeine is available/legal?) preemptively and that should help. NOS will work but its probably very costly; imagine bumrungrad or similar in bangkok would offer it.

Only available from a hospital.

but if tramadol works for you (it doesn't work for everyone)... try one or more of those, about an hour before your appt... that MIGHT help

Thanks from your suggestion. I do appreciate it. But FYI, it's close to impossible to get Tram without a perscription in Thailand. This is a relatively recent development. Again, everyone should be an Arahant who can be beyond the realm of pain here in Thailand. If you need pain meds, well, you are somehow a lowlife, deficient human being - maybe a rice farmer or someone from the rural part of Thailand <if you don't get the sarcasm and totaly disregard of HiSo bigotry, then your just plain ignorant>, but than again, I'm sure the HiSo level of Thai society can aquire opiates.. By the way, I have about 1000% more respect for rice farmers, then say, the CEOs of major corporations, or completely deficient Health Care Co-Op and insurance companies based either here in the LOS or elsewhere. . .

To me, not perscribing readily available opiates is a complete disregard of the ability to alleivate suffering in humans by using what God put on this planet - Poppies - but then again, I'm not your normal Buddhist. And I'm obviously not a Thai doctor - I actually have a sense of empathy for the sufering of other beings, something that seems to be devoid in the Thai healthcare system.

they do a very poor job at numbing the mouth here as they are scared of giving proper painkillers during operations. worst case, you can take some of the strongest OTC painkillers (I think codeine is available/legal?) preemptively and that should help. NOS will work but its probably very costly; imagine bumrungrad or similar in bangkok would offer it.

Only available from a hospital.

but if tramadol works for you (it doesn't work for everyone)... try one or more of those, about an hour before your appt... that MIGHT help

Thanks for the suggestion Tram is great as a mood enhancer, but it's sh*t for actualy alleviating pain. Well, in my humble opinion, and at least for me, this is rright on - I've taken Tram.. You need to understand. I'm an old dude. I probably know more about pharmacology then most on this forum. But don't go there....you don't know my background. Also understand that most Thai doctors would rather give you para for a broken bone or kidney stone than risk turning you into a raging narcotic addict by perscribing an opiates - obviously, all Thais are Arahants who can let go of pain <yes! sarcasm, and well deserved>. Obvously most Thai doctors have never done a residence in a Western hospital where the initial administration of opiates is combined with a gradual withdrawal program. A very good friend of mine was in a major motorcycle accident. Opiates were no issue as part of his recovery, but then again neither was his withdrawal.

However -- If you are a doctor, if you disagree with me, if you can source your methodologies used here in the Land of Smiles with it's abject lack of pallative care, feel free to chime in. But if you have a bias and nothing to back it up with, please stay out of the topic.

May you be free from suffering.

Thailand is about 50 years behind in pallative care. Prove me wrong -- and source your contridictions. .

You have been unsuccessful getting what you want for years here in CM with the dentists and with this forum. Try someplace else. Since you are past worrying about cost, fly to Singapore on Silk Air, stay in a 5 star hotel, enjoy great food and have your dental work done at the Singapore General Hospital or go back to the States.

Your sarcasm is noted.

May you be free for suffering - truly. I wish you good life, and freedom from pain.

Family Clinic, near Wat Phasing in the old city. Guy there speaks perfect English and does a great job.

Had a molar out a few weeks back and told him I was sensitive so he gave me numerous injections until I gave the ok, when half my body was numb, let alone my mouth.

Thank you for the information. That's what I'm looking for. A dentist that will communicate with me until the pain is gone.

My last experience was with a dentist who both my wife and I spoke with at length about how sensitive my teeth are. She was able to do two of my upper teeth without pain, but I have problem getting my lower teeth numb. So when I told her I wasn't numb when she was working on my lower molar, she literally gave me the same dismayed look I've seen over and over again. All she needed to do was give me another injection. Anyway, I'm not completely done with them yet. They have an excellent periodontist and the owners has done dental surgery on me without a problem. But I've got another lower molar I'm having issue with. Family Clinic may be my answer for this particular tooth.

You're the only one I've ever heard of with this problem here in CM. You've started topics on this before. Hard to believe you will get any different advice. Why have you endured "torture" for years? Try Bangkok.

Maybe you enjoy posting this kind of topic?

2013:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/651602-pain-and-dentistry-in-cm/

2011:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/469932-looking-for-a-pain-free-dentist-in-chiang-mai/

I mean no disrespect, but yeah, I've posted this before on more than one ocassion. I get hurt, try another dentist, get hurt again, try another dentist. With the number of dentists in CM, you'd think that one may be able to work without causing pain. I''m sorry you don't understand how much this freaks me out that you can only reply with sarcasm. But I'll keep posting until I can find a dentist that can actually achieve a pain free routine. Try putting yourself in my situation. Everyone has different pain thresholds. Tooth pain for me while being drilled on is excuciating. On the other hand, a can have hypodyermic needles poked in me and I barely feel anything. I can get sutures with very little anestetic. You have no empathy, but thank you, honestly, for reposting those old links. I'll review them too. I wish you a life without suffering - truly. May your life be lived without pain.