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The largest supplier of wheat to Thailand is Vietnam followed by Turkey.

Wonderful. Vietnam is going GMO.

Back to the last question: where to buy non-GMO grains that have be soaked in glyphosate here in Thailand, especially Chiang Mai and northern Thailand. I.e., where to get organic flour and bread products.

Well, considering the topic is not immigration and is about the knife murder and knife attack of innocent innocent Sweds, my question is: Have they gathered up all the knives from all Swedish household yet and melted them down? Each Swedish national will then be issued a plastic knife without a serrated edge. Plastic forks and spoons to follow. Only muslims will be allowed knives in order to accomplish ritual sacrifice, which of course will include use of knives and stones in other Sharia practices such as cutting of limbs, and of course for mutilating the genitals of young muslim women. Tough to do with a plastic knife without a serrated edge.

Some immigration stats. 1st one from 2556, 2nd one from 2554. Very big jump in a couple of years. From 51,000 90 day reports in a year to 237,202 90 day reports in a year. Year 2553, 38,175 90 day reports. 2558?

Is it CM-Imm stats only?

It's directly from the CM immigration site under statistics. For the entire year of 2556 there were 171 re-entry permits given and 604 visa conversions. So looks like it is Chiang Mai only with those low numbers. However, I'm not sure if it is Chiang Mai only or the entire Division 5 area. Though from Google maps doesn't appear to be very many other offices in district 5 that would add much to the stats. Immigration offices map

I just know in 2553 (the earliest stats shown), 5 years ago and before, I could walk into immigration anytime of the day and get in and out in 5-10 minutes max for my 90 days. Usually just walked up to the counter as there was no one in queue.

Does anyone know if the Lampang Office is still used for 90 reports, or have they closed it. Last post I saw was 2013. It's closer to my home than Chiang mai, if for some reason my 90 day gets lost in the mail (EMS or not) and I have to actually show up in person.

Do those with online appointments get their stamped passports back the same day ? I think I read that the final signature person is not at Promenda.

Yes they do as immigration does not want the responsibility of holding them overnight.

That said, friends who had early afternoon appointments just last week, paperwork completed in 15 minutes for two people but had to wait until 5.50pm for the boss to sign off so they could get their passports!

Delegation simply does not work here.

Customer Service de jure.

Some immigration stats. 1st one from 2556, 2nd one from 2554. Very big jump in a couple of years. From 51,000 90 day reports in a year to 237,202 90 day reports in a year. Year 2553, 38,175 90 day reports. 2558?

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Source, CM immigration statistics

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Which means that they know they have a problem, they see it coming, and they are doing next to nothing to fix it other than promises. What a freakn' mess.

Not everyone has been mailing in as the old office could process a 90 day report any time you showed up almost with a turnaround of 1-2 hours. For some people who live close to the old office this was acceptable. Only since the move to Promenada has it become an all day job. I expect everyone will be mailing from now on. I have had no personal mail delivered for one and half years, only bills arrive. I may post and have to visit in person when nothing is posted back? A few other posters have problems with the post. This is why visiting the old office was no problem for some people. Most people have been caught out by believing the move to Prom was going to improve CM Immigration performance. No warnings were issued that the new office would struggle to handle 90 day reports.

I don't think immigration was given any warning of the influx of people doing the 90 day in person. Maybe when the people have seen the new office they will go back to mailing in reports.

Why would you think "immigration needed a warning of the influx of people doing the 90 day in person." This is what these people do for a living. Immigration officers are well aware of how many expats are residing in Chiang Mai. Immigration requires foreigners to show up at their office every 90 days, and once a year for the yearly visa, and they aren't prepared???

According to immigration officers that were present during their presentation at the CM Expat club, once they moved to their new location at Promenada, they would have addition staff to vastly improve their services.

When I showed up at the Promenada immigration office, I was really taken back at the staff shortage and how all foreigners are required to sit outside while immigration officers are sitting in an air-conditioned office, woefully unprepared to process the people they require to report to this office. You just can't make stuff like this up.

According to immigration officers that were present during their presentation at the CM Expat club, once they moved to their new location at Promenada, they would have addition staff to vastly improve their services.

Believe that and I have a bridge that crosses the Ping River that I can sell you cheap. They've been saying their getting additional staff for so long, it's like the boy who cried, "Wolf". I believe nothing, I generally doubt things are going to work out well, and I'm virtually never disappointed.

Went and did my 90 day reporting this morning. Got to immigration about 10.15. Was out by 11.05. I was one of the last. I think if I had gone at 1 pm, there would have been zero wait. Only a few people waiting for other extensions, but no long ques. Annual Retirement renewal she said they do only 20 a day, so for the annual renewal you need to get there very early, get an agent, or have an appointment.

What appointment. No appointment system anymore. Figure out that stupidity here in the 15th year of the 21st century.

Here is one other option for 90 day reporting.

If you happen to be out of town, say Pattaya/Jomtien, anywhere with a more efficient system, you can do your 90 days at the local imm office using your hotel, guesthouse, whatever, as your address.

It worked for me. Amazingly quick and easy.

I repeat, it works. I have since done it at CM office.

Sound like it's time to book a trip to Pattaya.

Where can I buy organic wheat bread and flour in CM?

Where does the Wheat for Wheat Bread made in Thailand come from?

How do you know it's not GMO that been shipped in from the US?

How do you know it's not been sprayed down with glyphosate prior to harvesting?

Do any companies here in Thailand sell guaranteed organic Whole Wheat breads and products, including flour.

The chance of lightening striking the same place twice is about nil. If I was going to visit BKK, Erawn Center would be on my 'safe' list.

Of course not.

Hungry people do hungry things. Like ignore the lard-buckets in seats of power.

What's wrong with fish and chips?

Ubonjoe, I've got a question for you.

According to how I read the rules, I can use the online system between 15 to 7 days before the expiration of my current 90 day report.

So let's say I submit an online report 15 days prior. However, let's say I have issues, browser problems or perhaps I don't get confirmation back in a timely manner. Or, after a week I check the status and it still has not been processed. I don't want to have to drive the 140 km round trip to CM Immigration, so if the online system seems like its not going to work, can I still attempt to send the 90 day report in by mail? I've read the your suppose to send mail-in prior to 15 days before your expiration date, but my mail-in reports show up in CM in 1 day, usually are processed on the same or next day, and I get my 90 report back via mail within 5 to 7 days.

Your thoughts? Thanks!

You could try doing the 90 day report by mail as long as it got there 7 day before the report date. If you had got through and got a pending application and did not get the approval I would send a print out of the application pending page.

Thanks much

Money talks, BS walks.

The databases are not connected, I believe.

Wanting them to be connected to make a non-citizen's life easier is probably not going to make it happen.

We're in agreement!!!

What does a Yellow House Book have to do with Immigration?

2100 posts and you don't know?

They want to know your current address. A Yellow House Book is the official Thai document listing your current address. The TM47 is simply redundant, non-nonsensical paper-pushing. It wouldn't be rocket science for the Thai Immigration system to be able to access the house book databases.

I could have sworn the reason that was given for immigration wanting 90 day reports was because foreigners may commit criminal acts and they need to know where to find them.

Well, using the same logic, all 76 million Thais may commit criminal acts and should be submitting 90 day reports. Why don't they? They have Tabian Baan (Blue House Books). Blue for Thai natives. Yellow for foreigner. So Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, that system should work for both Thais and foreigners. I'm in their Tabian Baan database! They know where I live!

I support the death penalty.

That must make the Indonesians feel better. They were starting to feel real alone there for awhile. Whew!!! "One more on our side." Now, who's up next as a drug smuggling bullet catcher?

I've worked in the timber industry. It isn't rocket science to stay out of the way of a falling tree. When you start dropping 50 to 80 meter cedars and redwoods trees, different story. Strange things happen with the monster trees. Backyard coconut trees? It was just somebody's time to go. RIP and condolences to your wife.

I'm still trying to understand how a Thai making 9000 THB/mo can afford a 750K THB sedan that's the size of a shoebox on wheels.

More new regulations imposed on the proletariat by the Thai Tzars.

What fun is wielding power if you're unable to impose it on the masses.

Next step in political correctness: Burkas for cars!

No First Amendment type rights in the LOS. That's good to know and file away.

I've gone through rolfing. Doesn't compare.

However you do it, it's gonna be hit or miss. Personally I've found that many of the older women 50+ have very good technique, although it helps to be as specific as possible about the muscle groups that you wish to have worked on and the level of pressure. And I suggestion oil massage, as they will be more in line with Western massage technique. If you are patient and are willing to try 10 or so different women (or men) who provide massage, you may eventually find one you really like and one you use as a backup.

The whole 90 reporting idea has always seemed crazy to me and useful only for creating (unnecessary) work within the immigration system. To my knowledge, I've never had anyone check that the address I've provided on my 90 day form is genuine, and since our movements within the country aren't seriously monitored (not yet, anyway) with many people spending time traveling, the usefulness of the information as a way to contact the person concerned in an emergency is highly questionable.

Why not simply require the holder of an annual visa extension to report a change of the address on their original application within say, ten days of moving, and set a significant enough penalty to motivate compliance? Notification of a change of address could be done in the same way as a current 90 report resulting in less stress and congestion all round. How many people move home four times a year?

Since landlords are required (theoretically, at least) to notify the immigration department when an foreigner moves into a rented property, there is a fairly simple way of policing the system and fines could be levied when/if a new extension is applied for. Most long stayers do not want to jeopardise their extension application and so I would predict that the system would work at least as well as the the current mess.

Sadly, this system is very unlikely to be considered because it hasn't been conceived locally.

Take it one step further: Why does someone marriaged to a Thai and who is in possession of a Tabian Baan (Yellow House Book) need to report their address ever 90 days. I'm already in the system with the Tabian Baan.