Air India captain tests positive for cannabis after Phuket-Delhi injuries

If you are a non-smoker because of your occupation how much time spent in a passive situation in a room full of weed smoke does it take before it would register on your virgin body?

There is an anecdote that circulated at a local running group. An Aussie guy took his backpack to an after run party and upon return to Aussie the drug dog was almost humping his backpack.

So contact with secondhand smoke can have an effect.

14 minutes ago, wombat said:

If you are a non-smoker because of your occupation how much time spent in a passive situation in a room full of weed smoke does it take before it would register on your virgin body?

So now we think this pilot spends his spare time hanging around in pot houses!

58 minutes ago, Deerculler said:

I would never fly in a aircraft with a Indian pilot.

They don't exactly have a good track record.

Ok, so every time you book a flight, then you specifically ask if an Indian pilot is going to fly that route. Very original.

This after the Malaysian guy was arrested with drugs. So men are getting high on drugs and not taken their jobs seriously whilst women go on tik tok and fornicate at will. We are so screwed.

I don't travel that much nowadays and this article is not encouraging to me to pack my bags. I prefer that the captain of my flight not take recreational drugs before or during the flight. Just saying.

15 minutes ago, riverhigh said:

I prefer that the captain of my flight not take recreational drugs before or during the flight.

What about prescribed narcotics, would that be fine with you?

15 minutes ago, novacova said:

What about prescribed narcotics, would that be fine with you?

That is a question for the medical experts and regulatory bodies. This is above my pay scale. Medical experts and regulatory bodies would proviide a more informed response.

6 minutes ago, riverhigh said:

That is a question for the medical experts and regulatory bodies. This is above my pay scale. Medical experts and regulatory bodies would proviide a more informed response.

Pilots are not allowed to have narcotics in their systems, are not allowed to consume alcohol within eight hours before flying or 0.04 alcohol concentration in their system. Though some mood stabilizers are allowed and am personally strictly opposed to it and would never knowingly climb in a cockpit with one on them.

Edited August 13Aug 13 by novacova

41 minutes ago, novacova said:

Pilots are not allowed to have narcotics in their systems, are not allowed to consume alcohol within eight hours before flying or 0.04 alcohol concentration in their system. Though some mood stabilizers are allowed and am personally strictly opposed to it and would never knowingly climb in a cockpit with one on them.

For Air Transport Pilots, it's 24 hours. The "Eight hours bottle to throttle" is for Private Pilots. Small planes are much slower and easier to fly.

26 minutes ago, technoronin said:

For Air Transport Pilots, it's 24 hours. The "Eight hours bottle to throttle" is for Private Pilots. Small planes are much slower and easier to fly.

Eight hours actually, unless something has changed recently. Though the FAA “recommends” 24hrs. Some airlines are stricter with 12 or whatever and can’t speak for airlines based in Asian countries.

4 hours ago, jacko45k said:

So now we think this pilot spends his spare time hanging around in pot houses!

That is such a quantum leap. It's even funny.... I thought it was a reasonable question for those of us who could find themselves in that situation. I mean haven't you been to a party and walked into one of the rooms and had that delicious taste and smell of Gunja Fill your lungs and wonder, would I pass a drug test now?

2 hours ago, novacova said:

What about prescribed narcotics, would that be fine with you?

If he was going on the nod, I think I'd be really worried.

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

This after the Malaysian guy was arrested with drugs. So men are getting high on drugs and not taken their jobs seriously whilst women go on tik tok and fornicate at will. We are so screwed.

I must've led such a sheltered life even though my paper route was in a bad neighbourhood. I don't see the correlation of the two things you're trying to compare.

1 minute ago, wombat said:

I must've led such a sheltered life even though my paper route was in a bad neighbourhood. I don't see the correlation of the two things you're trying to compare.

Surely it's obvious, men are following sensual pleasures, disregarding their job duties, and women are on tik tok and following sensual pleasures by cheating on their men, disregarding their duties.

There is a global failure of duty fulfillment.

By all reports, Air India is a bit sketchy in general anyhow... would give it a miss myself.

56 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

By all reports, Air India is a bit sketchy in general anyhow... would give it a miss myself.

Interesting they've brought in that Ethiopian guy. He turned Ethiopian from a hopeless case into Africa's premium carrier.

3 hours ago, riverhigh said:

I don't travel that much nowadays and this article is not encouraging to me to pack my bags. I prefer that the captain of my flight not take recreational drugs before or during the flight. Just saying.

Unless it was Denzel Washington of course

5 hours ago, Deerculler said:

Sorry,

I will put it another way.

I will never fly in any aircraft operated by a Indian Company.

Still may not stop you being on an aircraft piloted by an Indian Pilot!

5 hours ago, Deerculler said:

Sorry,

I will put it another way.

I will never fly in any aircraft operated by a Indian Company.

May I ask why?

I have flown with Air India on return flights between Bangkok and London LHR which were excellent and reasonably priced. Outward BKK to New Delhi then London, return LHR to Bombay and then BKK. No problems and enjoyable flights. I like curries so I had a good choice of inflight meals. Incidentally, the pilot of the flight from BKK to New Delhi was an Indian female.

7 hours ago, wombat said:

If you are a non-smoker because of your occupation how much time spent in a passive situation in a room full of weed smoke does it take before it would register on your virgin body?

It would take roughly 1 hour of continuous exposure to heavy, dense marijuana smoke in an entirely unventilated room (commonly referred to as a "hotbox") for passive inhalation to trigger a positive result on a standard urine drug test.Clinical research, such as a prominent study conducted by Johns Hopkins University Medicine, proves that failing a urine test from passive exposure is remarkably difficult and requires extreme conditions.The Real-World Risk FactorsStandard workplace drug screens utilize a detection cutoff threshold of 50 nanograms per milliliter (ng/mL) for the THC metabolite to intentionally rule out casual or accidental exposure. To bypass this buffer through secondhand smoke, multiple environmental factors must align perfectly:Zero Ventilation: In the Johns Hopkins study, non-smokers only tested positive when sealed in a tight chamber with no airflow alongside active smokers utilizing high-potency cannabis (11.3% THC) for a full 60 minutes.

The Ventilation Safeguard: When the researchers turned on standard room ventilation (11 air exchanges per hour), not a single non-smoker tested positive for THC, despite sitting in the same room with active smokers for an hour.Proximity and Volume: Simply walking through a room where people are smoking, or being in a spacious, well-ventilated living room or outdoor setting, will not cause you to absorb enough THC to trigger a positive urine test.How Long It Stays in Your SystemIf you are subjected to extreme, unventilated secondhand smoke and absorb enough trace THC to trigger a positive test, your body clears it very quickly compared to an active user:Urine Detection Window: The metabolites will peak in your urine roughly 2 to 11 hours following the exposure.Rapid Clearance: Because the amount absorbed via passive inhalation is incredibly minute, levels typically drop far below the standard 50 ng/mL testing threshold within 24 to 48 hours.If you are facing an upcoming screen and are concerned about a specific incident, you can purchase an over-the-counter home urine test panel to verify your status.

I find it hard to believe that him testing positive for THC had anything to do eith the plane dropping 300 feet. It's called an air pocket and it's perfectly normal for that to sometimes happen. I experienced it once, didn't feel nice. The question is how many nanograms per milliliter blood did he have in his system? If it was below 5 then there was nothing to worry about because his last joint was at least 5 in the past. At that point you're definitely not high anymore. If it was around above 40, he definitely had a smoke pretty much right before he boarded the plane.

Every airline..every, should make rapid drug and alcohol screening to anybody, passengers, pilots, crew included,.on boarding a plane. They do after all hassle us with all the absurd security regulations on carry-on water bottles etc. Much of the turbulences today is due to all the drug junkies or the drunkards who fly and make a nuisance. Alcohol sales need to be totally banned in airports or during the flight. Sure, there are big bucks involved with all the corrupt who run the networks of booze supply to airports and planes...but passenger well being or safety need to come back to the lime light. Anybody testing positive as having consumed drugs or booze, plainly is refused the flight and goes on a worldwide black list database. If not, there will be a day when nationals of specific nations will plainly be banned from hotels and airlines as these nationals are getting noticed all over as known to be at risk for their rowdy drunken behaviour inflight.

Edited August 13Aug 13 by SingAPorn

I would like to know how he was tested, a urine or saliva test.

I am tested regularly in the oil and gas industry. The urine test can detect THC use up to 4 weeks prior, the saliva test 2-3 days prior (UK tests).

There is a chance he was using THC weeks before the flight, on holiday say, and it hadn't cleared out of his system when tested.

Best not to use within 4 weeks of working if there is any chance you will be urine tested.