Anutin Orders Faster Deportation of Foreign Criminals

30 minutes ago, Georgealbert said:

Prime Minister Anutin Charnvirakul has ordered legal amendments to accelerate the deportation of foreign criminals in Thailand, aiming to prevent offenders from returning to criminal activities while awaiting removal from the country.

Ok, and I thought that offenders up for deportation was put in IDC? I don´t get how it would be possible to continue criminal offenses from there in an effective way.

4 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Ok, and I thought that offenders up for deportation was put in IDC? I don´t get how it would be possible to continue criminal offenses from there in an effective way.

Because some may be allowed to remain "connected" due to influence, money and the criminal network. That's organised crime and other countries also have had issues with this to varying degrees.

1 hour ago, Gottfrid said:

Ok, and I thought that offenders up for deportation was put in IDC? I don´t get how it would be possible to continue criminal offenses from there in an effective way.

Money. It's possible to not go to IDC if enough money is handed over to grease the palms of the corrupt judiciary and BIB palms.

6 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Money. It's possible to not go to IDC if enough money is handed over to grease the palms of the corrupt judiciary and BIB palms.

Surely! Then that would be the thing to focus on!

4 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Surely! Then that would be the thing to focus on!

Thailand to focus on corruption? You're kidding surely. If corruption somehow was suddenly taken out of the system overnight the country would collapse.

Off topic troll post removed. @Nemises

So we are accelerating Thai bureaucracy? Excellent. I look forward to seeing this implemented by 2045

Any foreigner who retains an agent to "induce'" an Immigration official to waive the nominal extension of stay requirements may be in conflict with Sec. 144 Thai Penal code:

Section 144 of the Thai Penal Code covers active bribery and corruption related to public officials. It makes it a crime to offer, give, or promise property or any other benefit to a public official or assembly member to illegally influence them to perform, delay, or neglect their official duties.

1 hour ago, Nemises said:

So we are accelerating Thai bureaucracy? Excellent. I look forward to seeing this implemented by 2045

2045? That is optimistic.

In other words, it will benefit Thai criminals if arrested foreign criminals are quickly deported?

But what about the loss of "benefits" some Thai officials will have to endure with the deportation of foreign criminals?

4 minutes ago, JimHuaHin said:

But what about the loss of "benefits" some Thai officials will have to endure with the deportation of foreign criminals?

Whistleblowers in Thailand can be compensated and financially rewarded, particularly when reporting corruption to authorities. Financial rewards and protections are governed under the Organic Act on Anti-Corruption. Details on compensation and protections include:

Monetary Rewards: The National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) can issue rewards drawn from the National Anti-Corruption Fund. Rewards are calculated at 15% of the value of the seized assets that become state property, subject to a strict cap of 100 million baht.

https://www.nacc.go.th/categorydetail/2019122712514151207005112EK12853/20231116135732?

4 hours ago, JerryM said:

Any foreigner who retains an agent to "induce'" an Immigration official to waive the nominal extension of stay requirements may be in conflict with Sec. 144 Thai Penal code:

Section 144 of the Thai Penal Code covers active bribery and corruption related to public officials. It makes it a crime to offer, give, or promise property or any other benefit to a public official or assembly member to illegally influence them to perform, delay, or neglect their official duties.

From what I hear 95% of all immigration agents are for sale and nearly every service is available through them, for a fee. Apparently the same applies to customs and as we know the same applies of the police and likely the judiciary.

So where do you start to earnestly fight corruption in Thailand and how do we know that this is a sincere fight? It could be another scam being perpetrated by Anutin to try to convince the people that he's on their side. Curious that this major crackdown would be on foreigners only.

The authorities should probe their own recruitment methods and why money is required to purchase a promotion and merit is never a consideration.

They should probe customs, immigration, all tambon, state and federal recruitment. It is all the same. Filthy from top to bottom. No promotions without payment. Corruption, at all levels. A completely broken system. 

This is just more total and complete nonsense from Anutin, who does not have a sincere bone in his body, and his rarely ever in his career has done anything to benefit the people of Thailand other than the ganja initiative.

Every single department in Thailand is corrupt from the local, to the state government, to the federal government. You cannot get a position within the government at any level, the police, customs or immigration without buying that position. Everybody knows that and fortunes are being made on a daily basis.

My wife's sister-in-law just paid 200,000 baht for a lowly 10,000 baht a month position in their local village. It's so common.

Of course this is just a silly dream, everybody's making so much money with this bizarre patronage system, when hundreds of thousands of baht are being paid for a low position and millions are being paid for a high position. The fortunes that are being made and the illegal and illicit funds that are being collected are astonishing and shameful. 

Let it be so.

14 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

So where do you start to earnestly fight corruption in Thailand and how do we know that this is a sincere fight?

It seems that major-league anti-corruption efforts occur when someone has a sufficient grudge and verifiable evidence to lodge a complaint.

There is currently a high level anti-corruption official who, when legally drunk, killed a motorcycle rider. He is in big trouble. Someone like that might be in a no-lose position and have first-hand knowledge to do serious damage to many high-ups who normally have nothing to worry about.

Just as fr'instance.

As far as some of the immigration fee-for-service situations and those who facilitate them, it might less effective to probe them than to set up a sting operation.

18 minutes ago, JerryM said:

It seems that major-league anti-corruption efforts occur when someone has a sufficient grudge and verifiable evidence to lodge a complaint.

There is currently a high level anti-corruption official who, when legally drunk, killed a motorcycle rider. He is in big trouble. Someone like that might be in a no-lose position and have first-hand knowledge to do serious damage to many high-ups who normally have nothing to worry about.

Just as fr'instance.

As far as some of the immigration fee-for-service situations and those who facilitate them, it might less effective to probe them than to set up a sting operation.

All it means in Thailand is the higher up the totem pole you are, the more you have to "pay forward" to move up the totem pole, and that's impossible on a government salary. The same applies when they're caught with the metaphorical hand in the cookie jar, drunk or otherwise. The cost of absolution simply rises.

8 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Ok, and I thought that offenders up for deportation was put in IDC? I don´t get how it would be possible to continue criminal offenses from there in an effective way.

The report says they are put in the IDC just before deportation. But prior to that, there is a legal process due the crime they are being convicted and sentenced. In the interim, it said, many get bail and continue their criminality during that time.

5 hours ago, JerryM said:

Any foreigner who retains an agent to "induce'" an Immigration official to waive the nominal extension of stay requirements may be in conflict with Sec. 144 Thai Penal code:

Section 144 of the Thai Penal Code covers active bribery and corruption related to public officials. It makes it a crime to offer, give, or promise property or any other benefit to a public official or assembly member to illegally influence them to perform, delay, or neglect their official duties.

And why does this not apply to the Agent and the IO as well?

2 minutes ago, wil iam not said:

And why does this not apply to the Agent and the IO as well?

Section 143 applies to the 'middle man' agent:

(Gemini): The "Middleman" Offense: This section does not necessarily require the immigration official to actually be involved or bribed. The crime is committed by the agent the moment they demand or accept a benefit based on the claim that they can influence an official.

The IO is a whole different can of worms -- not penal code but Sec. 128 of the Anti-Corruption Act (2018)

24 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

The same applies when they're caught with the metaphorical hand in the cookie jar, drunk or otherwise. The cost of absolution simply rises.

And sometimes, if situation warrants, persons can file a complaint and instead of paying money, they can earn a share of confiscated assets.

8 minutes ago, JerryM said:

And sometimes, if situation warrants, persons can file a complaint and instead of paying money, they can earn a share of confiscated assets.

I read that if you can show someone say driving dangerously and video it, take to the Police, you can get some of the fine imposed.

6 minutes ago, wil iam not said:

I read that if you can show someone say driving dangerously and video it, take to the Police, you can get some of the fine imposed.

Probably. But a foreigner would still need a work permit to participate legally.

17 minutes ago, JerryM said:

And sometimes, if situation warrants, persons can file a complaint and instead of paying money, they can earn a share of confiscated assets.

Maybe that's how whistleblowing works here? It needs to be financially rewarding before anyone will do it?

Anutin won't be happy until he's cleansed Thailand of as many foreigners as possible and done a CCP China style on everything.

2 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Maybe that's how whistleblowing works here? It needs to be financially rewarding before anyone will do it?

That was the case with Chuwit in Khon Kaen.

Inquiry into Immigration-triad links

Officials 'participated' in migration scheme

Justice Minister Somsak Thepsutin said on Thursday Mr Chuwit is entitled to a reward of 5% of the assets confiscated from the alleged gangsters.

He then praised Mr Chuwit for his courage in providing information about the alleged financial activities of major drug networks to the ministry.

However, Mr Chuwit later said he did not want the reward. He would ask that the money instead be given to hospitals.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2456224/inquiry-into-immigration-triad-links

7 hours ago, dinsdale said:

You're kidding surely.

Of course, I am. 😂

10 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Ok, and I thought that offenders up for deportation was put in IDC? I don´t get how it would be possible to continue criminal offenses from there in an effective way.

10 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Ok, and I thought that offenders up for deportation was put in IDC? I don´t get how it would be possible to continue criminal offenses from there in an effective way.

10 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Ok, and I thought that offenders up for deportation was put in IDC? I don´t get how it would be possible to continue criminal offenses from there in an effective way.

Further on in the article it says this:

“Authorities say that suspects are often released on bail during legal proceedings and are usually required to surrender their passports. However, some individuals are alleged to resume criminal activities while their cases are ongoing.”

I believe that only when the case is concluded, do they get sent to an IDC.

1 hour ago, Sir Dude said:

Anutin won't be happy until he's cleansed Thailand of as many foreigners as possible and done a CCP China style on everything.

To be fair, if they are criminals I don’t personally have a problem with their deportation. In fact, the quicker the better imho.

10 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Because some may be allowed to remain "connected" due to influence, money and the criminal network. That's organised crime and other countries also have had issues with this to varying degrees.

It’s stated in the article how some might continue their criminal activities. Doesn’t seem to be anything to do with bribes.

“Authorities say that suspects are often released on bail during legal proceedings and are usually required to surrender their passports. However, some individuals are alleged to resume criminal activities while their cases are ongoing.”

1 hour ago, wensiensheng said:

It’s stated in the article how some might continue their criminal activities. Doesn’t seem to be anything to do with bribes.

“Authorities say that suspects are often released on bail during legal proceedings and are usually required to surrender their passports. However, some individuals are alleged to resume criminal activities while their cases are ongoing.”

A certain type of Thai person can get released on bail even after killing people when driving while intoxicated, whereas a noodle seller or mushroom picker does hard time with no bail option offered.

A certain type of foreigner who's illegal activities make loads of money, is ignored by authorities that enable his criminal activity because of the "special considerations" the foreigner offers his enablers.

Of course, as you suggest, there's no such thing as bribery in Thailand. None whatsoever.

16 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

A certain type of Thai person can get released on bail even after killing people when driving while intoxicated, whereas a noodle seller or mushroom picker does hard time with no bail option offered.

A certain type of foreigner who's illegal activities make loads of money, is ignored by authorities that enable his criminal activity because of the "special considerations" the foreigner offers his enablers.

Of course, as you suggest, there's no such thing as bribery in Thailand. None whatsoever.

16 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

A certain type of Thai person can get released on bail even after killing people when driving while intoxicated, whereas a noodle seller or mushroom picker does hard time with no bail option offered.

A certain type of foreigner who's illegal activities make loads of money, is ignored by authorities that enable his criminal activity because of the "special considerations" the foreigner offers his enablers.

Of course, as you suggest, there's no such thing as bribery in Thailand. None whatsoever.

I think you will find that I did not suggest that there is no bribery in Thailand.

I was commenting on this specific article and provided a quote from the article as clarification. Stating that there is no bribery in the whole of Thailand is not something I did.

Contrary to popular opinion I am not stupid and I have learned the odd thing or two in the 20 years I have lived here.