muntereelle Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Hi everyone I live in Sa Kaeo province, in a small village. I have kids from the village coming to my place once a week to talk english conversation. No money involved, parents and teachers are happy. Is there a problem in doing that? Any suggestions appreciated cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ubonjoe Posted September 4, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2017 I see no problem with what you are doing since apparently it is not a formal education program. It would appear to most people that are just visiting your home and practicing english while there. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muntereelle Posted September 4, 2017 Author Share Posted September 4, 2017 thanks buddy, I feel the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glegolo Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 But mind you,,,, lay a bit low, do not use a high profile about it... just to be safe.. Glegolo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muntereelle Posted September 4, 2017 Author Share Posted September 4, 2017 thanks, appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elviajero Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 No problem whatsoever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaviny Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Hey mate I also live in Sakeo and have about 6 kids that join me when I go for my walks...I also am trying to teach them English on our walks.Would be good if you don't mind me sitting in one of your sessions and see how you do it.Sent from my SM-N920I using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LazySlipper Posted September 6, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2017 Reality check. If you are asking it is probably because you know the answer. Volunteering here is illegal without a WP. Just be smart about it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YetAnother Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 On 9/4/2017 at 0:12 PM, muntereelle said: I have kids from the village coming to my place once a week to talk english conversation. might be careful; old friend of mine did similar things in cambodia and some locals accused him of pedophilia, perhaps just because they didnt like him; he was scared enough to leave the country 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJAS Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 16 minutes ago, YetAnother said: might be careful; old friend of mine did similar things in cambodia and some locals accused him of pedophilia, perhaps just because they didnt like him; he was scared enough to leave the country Hmm, probably better to stick to family and friends, then, to be on the safe side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post darrendsd Posted September 7, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2017 Most Immigration offices especially if you live in a small village are happy to let this sort of thing go however to avoid any issues it might be worth you going in and explaining what you are doing, if they say no then you know to stop Take a few of the kids parents with you to smooth things along, a teacher would probably be better Always better to be safe than sorry 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muntereelle Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 1 minute ago, darrendsd said: Most Immigration offices especially if you live in a small village are happy to let this sort of thing go however to avoid any issues it might be worth you going in and explaining what you are doing, if they say no then you know to stop Take a few of the kids parents with you to smooth things along, a teacher would probably be better Always better to be safe than sorry thanks, appreciated very helpful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post darrendsd Posted September 7, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, muntereelle said: thanks, appreciated very helpful To avoid any horrible accusations as the poster above mentioned you could insist that at least 1 parent is in attendance at every class Also when you go to Immigration maybe mention that you are happy if any of the I/O kids want to come along, smooths things over even more Edited September 7, 2017 by darrendsd 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearciderman Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 24 minutes ago, darrendsd said: Most Immigration offices especially if you live in a small village are happy to let this sort of thing go however to avoid any issues it might be worth you going in and explaining what you are doing, if they say no then you know to stop Take a few of the kids parents with you to smooth things along, a teacher would probably be better Always better to be safe than sorry Depending on what visa/extension he is here on, it would be the Ministry of Labour that he should be visiting first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lucjoker Posted September 7, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2017 If one day ,,,,,you make one of the kids angry........they will tell to the police that you are a pedo.....worse if they tell it to their parents...... You like risky things ? Keep doing what you can 't stop ........ 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrjlh Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Remember it's only a conversation. Never use the word "teach". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesetat2013 Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 i would have to agree with most here... if you call it a class.... meet regularly. provide instruction and education.. you are teaching and requirethe proper visa to show you are eligible.. the laws do not change wether or not you do it for free or get paid...volunteers need working visas... you should check with immigration.. but since you have started doing this already, you should consider there may be a backlash by immigration if they learn about it. up to you how to proceed... but you are really currently breaking the laws if you do not have a visa elible to do work 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elviajero Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 10 minutes ago, thesetat2013 said: i would have to agree with most here... if you call it a class.... meet regularly. provide instruction and education.. you are teaching and requirethe proper visa to show you are eligible.. the laws do not change wether or not you do it for free or get paid...volunteers need working visas... You need permission to carry out an occupation (as in job or work/means of making a living) or to be employed by a company legally operating in Thailand. Teaching a few local kids at home for free meets neither of those criteria, therefore, formal permission is not needed. Only volunteers working for a recognised business/charity need a work permit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12DrinkMore Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 4 hours ago, darrendsd said: To avoid any horrible accusations as the poster above mentioned you could insist that at least 1 parent is in attendance at every class Yep, don't take the risk. And get a camera to record what's going on. You can always delete immediately afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12DrinkMore Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 9 hours ago, gaviny said: Hey mate I also live in Sakeo and have about 6 kids that join me when I go for my walks...I also am trying to teach them English on our walks.Would be good if you don't mind me sitting in one of your sessions and see how you do it. Check out Youtube, loads of good stuff to help there. Maybe buy a book at the level of the kids and progress through the sections. There are also online courses for teaching English which will help you structure the class. I would not recommend a CELTA (around 70,000 Baht) unless you want to do it professionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suradit69 Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, darrendsd said: Also when you go to Immigration maybe mention that you are happy if any of the I/O kids want to come along, smooths things over even more And then at some point if the O/P wants to end these "conversations" or it turns out that some of the immigration officers kids (one wonders how old these "kids" are) are obnoxious brats or an ever increasing number of kids/parents want to join in, he can ruffle a lot of feathers and be left to deal with the fallout if he ends the service or wants to exclude certain kids or refuses to add more kids. And some of those whose feathers get ruffled may end up causing him grief. Practically speaking, if you have 10 different "kids" visiting at one time, they will already have multiple levels of fluency so that whatever "conversation" is going on will be above the level of some and of little added value to others. And if you have 10 kids visit together for one hour, each will have an average of 6 minutes one-on-one feedback from you and for 54 minutes their attention will undoubtedly wander. We all overhear Thai conversation all around us each day, but in most cases unless it's someone engaging directly with us individually, we absorb very little that would improve our fluency in speaking Thai. The same applies to learning any language especially if what you are overhearing involves numerous different accents and pronunciations. Edited September 7, 2017 by Suradit69 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phuket321 Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Suradit69 is right. Make sure you are not being taken advantage of, some parents will see it as free childcare for an hour or 2 on the weekend. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick kennedy Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 I personally think its a good thing,but there is definately a problem brewing,always someone will twist things around,and the very first thing that you will be told,you are taking somebodys job away for free and without a wp.this has happened so many times here.good luck to you,here you cant do right for wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigCinBKK Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Do you want a medal?Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearciderman Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 15 hours ago, elviajero said: You need permission to carry out an occupation (as in job or work/means of making a living) or to be employed by a company legally operating in Thailand. Teaching a few local kids at home for free meets neither of those criteria, therefore, formal permission is not needed. Only volunteers working for a recognised business/charity need a work permit. You clearly have not read the definition of work in the appropriate legislation. " *Published in the Government Gazette Vol. 95, Part 73, Special Issue, dated21stJuly B.E. 2521 (1978)Section 5. In this Act, "alien" means a natural person who is not of Thai nationality;"work" means engaging in work by exerting energy or using knowledge whether or not in consideration of wages or other benefit;" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJAS Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) 17 hours ago, 12DrinkMore said: And get a camera to record what's going on. You can always delete immediately afterwards. IMHO he should hang on to camera recordings indefinitely in case accusatory fingers are pointed at him belatedly in the future. Edited September 8, 2017 by OJAS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdkane Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 On 9/7/2017 at 9:05 AM, YetAnother said: might be careful; old friend of mine did similar things in cambodia and some locals accused him of pedophilia, perhaps just because they didnt like him; he was scared enough to leave the country I was thinking the same thing...I had a few neighbors who accused a workers of theft just to avoid paying the bill...and on separate occasions I had two Thai gf who each threatened sexual assault before, because they didn't want to separate...and I cannot count the times that my gf have been told by a "kind" neighbor or local clerk that I was cheating when she was gone...Thais will lie easily simply for spite or entertainment...I would never put myself in the position you describe, simply for fear of someone wanting to extort you or just wanting to gossip about the local farang. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 A baiting personal attack on a member has been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeab1980 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Simple answer do whay you like but dont ask about it on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrendsd Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) On 9/7/2017 at 3:41 PM, elviajero said: You need permission to carry out an occupation (as in job or work/means of making a living) or to be employed by a company legally operating in Thailand. Teaching a few local kids at home for free meets neither of those criteria, therefore, formal permission is not needed. Only volunteers working for a recognised business/charity need a work permit. I'm not sure why you think this? Section 5 of the WORKING OF ALIEN ACT, clearly states the following, "Work" means engaging in work by exerting energy or using knowledge whether or not in consideration of wages or other benefits; Now this seems pretty clear cut to me whether it be teaching informally or working for a non recognized business/charity As I said in a previous post the OP should encounter no issues if he takes some of the advice given on here however to state that permission is not needed and also only volunteers working for a recognized business/charity need a WP is quite simply wrong Where did you get your info from? Edited September 8, 2017 by darrendsd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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