craigt3365 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Naam said: agree with both points. unfortunately sanctions do not harm those in power but the already suffering population. and if anybody is naïve enough to believe sanctions might cause the population to overthrow a regime with an extremely powerful military then he/she has my sympathy and is entitled for the certificate "possesses a lot of no idea..." sanctions could also be dangerous because they might pressure North Korea to sell nuclear technology. there's cash galore available from interested parties. Even without sanctions, those is power have abused their civilians for years. The powers to be in the UN know sanctions hit the people the most. And not 100% sure their intent is to overthrow Kim. Just stop him from the nuclear path he's taking. It'd be hard for NK to sell technology if avenues for banking were eliminated. And shipping. Up to China and Russia to handle that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweatalot Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 2 hours ago, Naam said: please learned Sir, tell us how to deal with "them" and explain what actions of North Korea justify retaliation. there is only one way to deal with them, like it or not - do whatever is necessary to delete the bloody dictator and murderer kim, even if collateral damage cannot be avoided Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuaBS Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 8 hours ago, inThailand said: Trump inherited this mess from leaders from the USA and from the world, who failed to stop NK. And even now only Trump is making a stand and these others do nothing but criticise. Trump is just the loud mouthpiece of US Deep state . They want war , war means profits and distracts from the US internal problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 17 hours ago, IAMHERE said: I just watched a Ted TAlk on youtube; malcolm gladwell norden bombsight. I am not so sure USA bombing is all that good, not the results anyway. They better get Kim with the first bomb or he'll be in China or Russia within hours and never be got. If this could be resolved by Kim peacefully retiring to wherever, security and lavish lifestyle assured, I should think most involved sides would go for it. Better than most alternatives. Just not seeing him taking this path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 2 hours ago, sweatalot said: there is only one way to deal with them, like it or not - do whatever is necessary to delete the bloody dictator and murderer kim, even if collateral damage cannot be avoided BRAVO! let's kill and maim innocent people as it was and is always done and then call it collateral damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 4 hours ago, craigt3365 said: it'd be hard for NK to sell technology if avenues for banking were eliminated. And shipping. where there is a will there is a way. the druglords are moving billions of cash and five tiny USB-thumbdrives each 1tb can hold all the literature that was ever published on this planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweatalot Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Naam said: BRAVO! let's kill and maim innocent people as it was and is always done and then call it collateral damage. kill thousands of people to save millions .... (dimensions up to you) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puck2 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Naam said: BRAVO! let's kill and maim innocent people as it was and is always done and then call it collateral damage. Yes, the 9/11 bombers have had the same idea and didn't worry about "collateral damage". @sweatalot's , think about the reaction in the US (and the world) to only (sorry)~ 3,000 people and compare it the with possible collateral damage in NK alone. Concerning your following comment 34 minutes ago, sweatalot said: kill thousands of people to save millions .... (dimensions up to you) are you sure it would "save" the life of millions - and not destroy another "million" of innocent people? Edited September 25, 2017 by puck2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 1 hour ago, sweatalot said: kill thousands of people to save millions .... (dimensions up to you) Sounds to me about as logical as cutting off the head to save the body... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonray Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, baboon said: Sounds to me about as logical as cutting off the head to save the body... Are you North Korean citizen ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, tonray said: Are you North Korean citizen ? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonray Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, baboon said: No. Is that the flag of the DPRK as your avatar ? Why ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonray Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, baboon said: No. Why do you use the DPRK flag then ? What do you think of the forced labor camps and the kidnapping of South Korean and Japanese citizens that NK has undertaken ? Since you are not North Korean, then you can answer with no fear, correct ? Edited September 25, 2017 by tonray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, tonray said: Why do you use the DPRK flag then ? Because a moderator removed the one I had of Bob Mugabe so I just stuck that one up instead. I really wouldn't read too much into it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, tonray said: Why do you use the DPRK flag then ? What do you think of the forced labor camps and the kidnapping of South Korean and Japanese citizens that NK has undertaken ? Since you are not North Korean, then I you can answer with no fear, correct ? He's from the UK. Yes, very strange to have a NK flag for an avatar. And to aggressively support such a brutal government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 1 minute ago, baboon said: Because a moderator removed the one I had of Bob Mugabe so I just stuck that one up instead. I really wouldn't read too much into it... I guess that answers out questions, tonray. Confused for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonray Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, craigt3365 said: He's from the UK. Yes, very strange to have a NK flag for an avatar. And to aggressively support such a brutal government. I want him to answer my questions...then we'll see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, craigt3365 said: I guess that answers out questions, tonray. Confused for sure. Better that than advertising the fact I wear crappy trousers, if we are going down that path... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, tonray said: I want him to answer my questions...then we'll see I am more than glad to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonray Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, baboon said: I am more than glad to do so. You have to ask permission from Kim before you can answer ? Is that the delay ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, tonray said: You have to ask permission from Kim before you can answer ? Is that the delay ? Yes, if you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonray Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, baboon said: Yes, if you like. Ok...clearly you cannot speak out against NK in public. I feel sorry for you. But also see no reason to continue to see your posts since we know what and who you are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, tonray said: Ok...clearly you cannot speak out against NK in public. I feel sorry for you. But also see no reason to continue to see your posts since we know what and who you are now. Do we? OK, right you are... Edit: I did not see the second part of your post regarding the labour camps, etc. I am always happy to discuss anything DPRK. Edited September 25, 2017 by baboon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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