90 Day Visa Info

[Anneeria]

Hi 

I am on a retirement visa so have multiple entries for a year. My husband is on a 90 day visa,  and only a single entry. I am wondering what his options are as far as renewing it, and what are the best options. 

 

Many Thanks for suggestions

Kerri

[Phuket Man]

Do you have a Visa or an Extension of Stay?

[Anneeria]

1 minute ago, Phuket Man said:

Do you have a Visa or an Extension of Stay?

i have a retirement visa

[Phuket Man]

2 minutes ago, Kerri Dean said:

i have a retirement visa

There is no such thing.

What do you actually have?

It will make a big difference.

[Anneeria]

Just now, Phuket Man said:

There is no such thing.

What do you actually have?

It will make a big difference.

I have a retirement visa which i go before leaving Australia, you can apply for one when over 55

[Phuket Man]

1 minute ago, Kerri Dean said:

I have a retirement visa which i go before leaving Australia, you can apply for one when over 55

Again. There is no such thing.

Do you have a Non Imm O-A Visa?

You can apply for this if over 50.

[Anneeria]

1 minute ago, Phuket Man said:

Again. There is no such thing.

Do you have a Non Imm O-A Visa?

You can apply for this if over 50.

Yes i do have this but my husband only has a 90 day visa so we are wondering what we are needing to do to extend his, and what is the best way to do this

[Phuket Man]

If you have a Non Imm O-A Visa or an extension of stay based on retirement your husband can get 12 month extensions of stay at Immigration based on being your dependent.

No money in the bank needed. 1,900 Baht fee.

 

2.20 In the case of being a family member of an alien permitted a  temporary stay in the Kingdom under Criteria 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.5, 2.6,  2.7, 2.10, 2.12, 2.13, 2.14, 2.15, 2.16,  2.17, 2.21, 2.22, 2.26, or 2.29 hereof or Section 34(1) (2) and (7) including family of alien granted non-immigration visa which contains “A” letter at the end of visa code, (applicable only to parents, spouse, children, adopted children, or spouse’s children) except for Non- Immigrant code L-A:    (1) The alien must have been granted a non-immigrant visa (NON-IM).  (2) Must have proof of relationship.  (3) In the case of spouse, the relationship must be de jure and de facto: or  (4) In the case of children, adopted children, or spouse’s children, said children, adopted children, or spouse’s children must not be married, must live with the alien as part of the family, and must not be over 20 years of age except in case of the person hereof is of illness or disability and cannot live without support of father or mother: or  (5) In the case of parents, the father or mother must be 50 years of age or over.

[ubonjoe]

3 minutes ago, Kerri Dean said:

Yes i do have this but my husband only has a 90 day visa so we are wondering what we are needing to do to extend his, and what is the best way to do this

Your husband can apply for an extension of stay as your dependent that will be valid to the date your current one year entry from the OA visa ends at a immigration office during the last 30 days of his 90 day entry.

You will need your marriage certificate.  It will need to certified by the Australian embassy or by the authority that issued it,

[Anneeria]

5 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Your husband can apply for an extension of stay as your dependent that will be valid to the date your current one year entry from the OA visa ends at a immigration office during the last 30 days of his 90 day entry.

You will need your marriage certificate.  It will need to certified by the Australian embassy or by the authority that issued it,

Thanks for that helps a lot, its a bit confusing with everything needed when moving to another country

[BEVUP]

1 hour ago, Kerri Dean said:

Thanks for that helps a lot, its a bit confusing with everything needed when moving to another country

Yes & Puket man didn't help 

As in - When the woman says she has a Visa she obviously has a Visa based on Retirement 

It doesnt much matter whether it a F'N "Z" Visa it's obviously a OA Visa based on Retirment

[ubonjoe]

31 minutes ago, BEVUP said:

As in - When the woman says she has a Visa she obviously has a Visa based on Retirement 

It doesnt much matter whether it a F'N "Z" Visa it's obviously a OA Visa based on Retirment

Since people call many things a visa a clarification was needed.

By writing retirement visa it could mean a multiple entry non-o visa that allows 90 day entries.

[Phuket Man]

1 hour ago, BEVUP said:

Yes & Puket man didn't help 

As in - When the woman says she has a Visa she obviously has a Visa based on Retirement 

It doesnt much matter whether it a F'N "Z" Visa it's obviously a OA Visa based on Retirment

On the contrary.

Dependent on what she actually has dictates her Husbands options.

She could have had a Non Imm O Visa which would mean a different approach for him.

 

Plenty of people here call everything a Visa, whatever it is.

So I was correct in asking her what she actually had in her passport to avoid giving her wrong advise.

[elviajero]

9 hours ago, Kerri Dean said:

i have a retirement visa

 

9 hours ago, Phuket Man said:

There is no such thing.

What do you actually have?

Are you aware that the Thai embassy in Australia call the 'O-A' visa a "Retirement Visa"!?

[elviajero]

9 hours ago, Phuket Man said:

If you have a Non Imm O-A Visa or an extension of stay based on retirement your husband can get 12 month extensions of stay at Immigration based on being your dependent.

He could only get a 12 month extension of stay if he applied, and it was issued, on the day his wife arrived in Thailand. The husbands extension would be issued for the remainder of the wife's permit to stay at the time of the application.

 

Dependancy has nothing to do with it. The extension is issued based on relationship. In this case the husband qualifies as a spouse.

[Phuket Man]

14 minutes ago, elviajero said:

 

Are you aware that the Thai embassy in Australia call the 'O-A' visa a "Retirement Visa"!?

Nope. Why would I?

Not my fault if they use the wrong terminology.

 

Giving a reply to the op's question means we need to know exactly what her immigration status is.

[Phuket Man]

13 minutes ago, elviajero said:

Dependancy has nothing to do with it. The extension is issued based on relationship. In this case the husband qualifies as a spouse.

Strange how you chose to attack me rather than Moderator UbonJoe who gave exactly the same answer. 

[ubonjoe]

22 minutes ago, elviajero said:

Dependancy has nothing to do with it. The extension is issued based on relationship. In this case the husband qualifies as a spouse.

It is often called a dependent extension since the person has to be a family member. Since it has no financial requirements it would also indicate the person would be dependent upon the one on a temporary stay.

From the police order.

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2.20 In the case of being a family
member of an alien permitted a
temporary stay in the Kingdom under

 

[elviajero]

29 minutes ago, Phuket Man said:

Nope. Why would I?

Not my fault if they use the wrong terminology.

Because you corrected the OP, twice, that "there is no such thing" as a retirement visa, when clearly there is because she bought one. Surely the embassy can call the visa they are selling whatever they want.

 

Any visa sold as a "Retirement Visa" or issued on the basis of "Retirement" will forever rightly be referred to by everyone except a few TVF pedants as a 'Retirement Visa'. All you needed to confirm was that he OP had a visa, which you did, and which category of visa it is.

 

 

 

[JackThompson]

22 minutes ago, elviajero said:

Are you aware that the Thai embassy in Australia call the 'O-A' visa a "Retirement Visa"!?

I seem to recall a post with a picture of a sign which read "Retirement Visas" in an immigration office here in Thailand, which was directing folks applying for 1-year extensions of stay. 

 

Things would be simpler if when applying for a 1-year extension, one actually received a sticker that read "Retirement Visa" on it.  Similarly for "Marriage Visa" - apply in Thailand, and get a sticker which reads "Marriage Visa."   Both would allow one to stay in the country, or leave and return, until it's date of expiration.

This is how it works in Cambodia - you apply in-country, and you get your passport back with a "Visa" sticker in it, with an expiration date.  Simple - Clear - Easy to Understand.

[elviajero]

20 minutes ago, Phuket Man said:

Strange how you chose to attack me rather than Moderator UbonJoe who gave exactly the same answer. 

"attack". I didn't attack you. I corrected you for the benefit of the OP and husband.

 

"Moderator Ubonjoe" has been referring to it as a dependant extension for years and probably won't change now. Again, I'm just giving clarification for the benefit of the OP. Nothing personal.

[elviajero]

28 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

I seem to recall a post with a picture of a sign which read "Retirement Visas" in an immigration office here in Thailand, which was directing folks applying for 1-year extensions of stay. 

 

Things would be simpler if when applying for a 1-year extension, one actually received a sticker that read "Retirement Visa" on it.  Similarly for "Marriage Visa" - apply in Thailand, and get a sticker which reads "Marriage Visa."   Both would allow one to stay in the country, or leave and return, until it's date of expiration.

This is how it works in Cambodia - you apply in-country, and you get your passport back with a "Visa" sticker in it, with an expiration date.  Simple - Clear - Easy to Understand.

I agree.

 

Immigration regularly refer to a extension based on retirement as a "retirement Visa", which doesn't help.

 

Thailand make the system confusing by issuing visa for entry and separate permits to stay. A permit to stay is a form of visa, but it confuses things to refer to it as such under the current system. Visas with the date by which you have to leave whether issued in or outside the country would be easier to understand, and conform more with international visa issuance norm. 

 

As it stands all that people giving advice need to know from an OP is whether or not they have a visa or extension of stay and the basis they were issued. Arguing over names or trying to change the terminology used by the massive majority of visa/permit holders/issuers is pointless. 

 

 

[elviajero]

41 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

It is often called a dependent extension since the person has to be a family member. Since it has no financial requirements it would also indicate the person would be dependent upon the one on a temporary stay.

I think it's more helpful to members to make it clear that qualification for the extension comes from their relationship rather than any implied financial dependency.

 

The police order clearly states that it is issued "in the case of being a family member". Since there is no financial requirement it would indicate that the financial dependency of the applicant is irrelevant. Therefore, saying it's issued based on dependency is, IMO, misleading.

 

The extension is dependent on the family member having qualifying permission to stay. Entirely different from implying that the extension is issued based on the applicant being dependent on the family member. Semantics, but an important difference.

[ubonjoe]

24 minutes ago, elviajero said:

Therefore, saying it's issued based on dependency is, IMO, misleading.

You are the one that used the word "dependency" not me.

I only used financial support as an example for dependent. Getting the extension based upon the other person's temporary stay would make a person dependent on the other one for their temporary stay. Lots of definitions for dependent.

From: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/dependent

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adjective

1.

relying on someone or something else for aid, support, etc.

 

[Ron19]

An off topic post has been removed.

[steve187]

On 9/29/2017 at 9:11 AM, BEVUP said:

Yes & Puket man didn't help 

As in - When the woman says she has a Visa she obviously has a Visa based on Retirement 

It doesnt much matter whether it a F'N "Z" Visa it's obviously a OA Visa based on Retirment

not sure i agree with you, I think Puket man was spot on, it may seem to some that asking exactly what permission to stay they are using to stay in Thailand, is being pedantic, but without the exact information its hard to advise correctly

 

The term  'retirement visa' is used by different people to describe an extension of stay, or a single entry non immigrant 'O' visa, or a multi entry non immigrant 'O' visa, or in fact as in this case a non immigrant 'O'A' visa. each one of these items would have generated a different answer to the question asked by the op.

[thainet]

Come on guys---26 posts and its mostly silly arguements. The lady asked a very pertinent question and we all understood she can stay for a year and her husband at this time can only stay for 90 days.

So please stop the childish antics and give the lady some constructive answers that she can understand.

Ok so now Joe ( as the guru) give her your definitive answer that she can follow up.

[Phuket Man]

10 hours ago, thainet said:

Come on guys---26 posts and its mostly silly arguements. The lady asked a very pertinent question and we all understood she can stay for a year and her husband at this time can only stay for 90 days.

So please stop the childish antics and give the lady some constructive answers that she can understand.

Ok so now Joe ( as the guru) give her your definitive answer that she can follow up.

Not silly at all.

To give her the correct information she needed we needed to know exactly what she has in her passport.

It makes a huge difference.

[ubonjoe]

10 hours ago, thainet said:

Ok so now Joe ( as the guru) give her your definitive answer that she can follow up.

I already did in post number nine.

On 9/29/2017 at 7:17 AM, ubonjoe said:

Your husband can apply for an extension of stay as your dependent that will be valid to the date your current one year entry from the OA visa ends at a immigration office during the last 30 days of his 90 day entry.

You will need your marriage certificate.  It will need to certified by the Australian embassy or by the authority that issued it,

And she replied to it. Before the topic got derailed by somebody else's post.

 

On 9/29/2017 at 7:23 AM, Kerri Dean said:

Thanks for that helps a lot, its a bit confusing with everything needed when moving to another country

 

[elviajero]

On 9/29/2017 at 12:19 PM, ubonjoe said:

You are the one that used the word "dependency" not me.

This is what you originally said,

On 9/29/2017 at 1:17 AM, ubonjoe said:

Your husband can apply for an extension of stay as your dependent

"as your dependent" has an entirely different connotation to being dependent on his wife having an extension of stay. Every single extension of stay is 'dependent' on something.

 

Yes there are lots of definitions for 'dependent'. The most relevant in this context would be;

 

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9.

a child, spouse, parent, or certain other relative to whom one contributes all or a major amount of necessary financial support:

 

Qualification for the extension being discussed is dependent on the applicant being a family member, not dependent on the applicant being a dependent.