transam Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, Thai Ron said: Hardly derogatory. Your comments are clearly anti-immigrant. That's glaringly obvious Yet another assumption.....My medical Professor Consultant and good friend in the UK is Italian, he was an immigrant.......Folk like you are dangerous, we call them the hang 'em high brigade... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Ron Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 36 minutes ago, transam said: Yet another assumption.....My medical Professor Consultant and good friend in the UK is Italian, he was an immigrant.......Folk like you are dangerous, we call them the hang 'em high brigade... An assumption? So you don't slag off immigrants, then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Thai Ron said: An assumption? So you don't slag off immigrants, then? I think you are "baiting" and not very good at it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nontabury Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, joecoolfrog said: Please cite actual documented cases of these exempt persons , I dont think they exist to be frank and I am a life long , Conservative voting , British tax payer. Whenever I try to find evidence of such claims I end up discovering the source material is from an extreme right wing , anti immigrant organisation. I wouldn't personally care to form an opinion based on those sources , especially when the propaganda they promote is at odds with EVERY government information site. Look up the relative UK Gov documentations. Even 7x7, who knows more about the UK immigration laws then anyone on this forum, and who is certainly NOT connected with any extreme right wing View, yesterday confirmed that what I said is correct. Edited October 4, 2017 by nontabury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave67 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Yes the average British man pays more tax and NI in 1 year than an average Thai man pays in a lifetime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpower Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 20 hours ago, Thai Ron said: So come on then, Alf Garnett; when were you last in the UK to see all the scrounging immigrants you've been running you gob about throughout this thread and countless others?? Just looked up this Alf Garnett character and found some real funny TV shows on the tube. I guess your reference came from photo in the shirtless farang thread? https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/1005168-shirtless-farangs/?page=2&tab=comments#comment-12326304 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 2 hours ago, Thai Ron said: Obviously, I know a great deal more than you who labours under the illusion that there are "zillions" of immigrants fleecing the benefits system when he hasn't been back to the UK to see for himself in donkey's years. Assertions made all the more asinine by the fact that you, yourself, are a de facto immigrant in Thailand NONE of us are de facto immigrants in Thailand, other than those who manage to get Thai citizenship. Should any Thai government suddenly decide one day that the minimum financial requirement for ANY farang to live in Thailand will now be for example 50 million baht that has to be deposited in a Thai government bank at no interest rate. The farangs who can afford it will have to report at one police station or immigration office only and may be in BKK, Phuket Mae Hong Son or Nakhon Nowhere on a weekly basis. If you cannot meet these requirements then your visa will be cancelled and you will have one week only to leave the country, what would you do? You will have to sell everything you own and will not be allowed to take more than GBP 500 out of the country. Your wife and children will have to go as well. If you don't think that could happen, think back to Uganda in the early 1960s, or Rhodesia/Zimbabwe a bit later, perhaps remember Yugoslavia when it broke up. Would you tell the government that you are a de facto immigrant to Thailand and that they cannot do this to you. See how far that gets you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garbolino Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 why should UK government help some one like this guy.....money would be spent on booze and cigs. Perhaps he should give up the booze and cigs and start a new life over again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 6 hours ago, LazySlipper said: I'm not from the UK but rather from another welfare state similar to the UK, and we are facing the same problems. Asylum seekers who may be terrorists are much part of the point. A lot of them are part of a network set up to get them organised as soon as possible in our countries. This guy we are talking about? How different is he than any of us? Enjoyed life a bit too much but now he will have to live under a bridge? Sorry. I don't subscribe to that point of view. I went through <deleted> in the 80's and I was not entitled to anything, while immigrants from Haiti were being ushered in front of me towards good paying jobs because they were part of a visible minority. They even had their rent paid in Gvt housing while I was living in a crappy over priced apartment. In my country, immigrants have always been entitled to something I have not!!! What's with this he 'enjoyed life a bit too much'? Complete and utter nonsense. The guy has taken to drink to cover up his failures in life and dumped on everybody who has tried to assist him. Not the first time someone uses drink (or drugs) to make up a life story to deflect blame and responsibility. Take away the story prop and they would have to face reality and start again. Few can or are prepared to do so and hold on to the drink or drugs dragging down anybody around them. And that is why relatives and/or friends eventually have to cut the ties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Ron Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 53 minutes ago, maxpower said: Just looked up this Alf Garnett character and found some real funny TV shows on the tube. I guess your reference came from photo in the shirtless farang thread? https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/1005168-shirtless-farangs/?page=2&tab=comments#comment-12326304 No, I've never seen that but how funny. Bar the soup strainer, a veritable spitting image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Ron Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 1 hour ago, transam said: I think you are "baiting" and not very good at it... Baiting? I'm going on stuff you have said, mate. Protest all you want but you can't hide your feelings when they're so vividly displayed in the drivel you write about immigrants and immigration all over this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, Thai Ron said: Baiting? I'm going on stuff you have said, mate. Protest all you want but you can't hide your feelings when they're so vividly displayed in the drivel you write about immigrants and immigration all over this forum. You're still trying then....Mate.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1971 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 confirmation bias noun the tendency to interpret new evidence as confirmation of one's existing beliefs or theories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al007 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 2 hours ago, garbolino said: why should UK government help some one like this guy.....money would be spent on booze and cigs. Perhaps he should give up the booze and cigs and start a new life over again To be a little kind and loving to our fellow creatures costs little Yes the man in question has not done well But lets not forget alcoholism and drug addiction are both illnesses,as is manic depression, and bi polar disorder, to name but a few, and just maybe think but for the Grace of God that could have been me What goes around comes around and just lets hope some of the overcritical ones never wind up them selves in a similar position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 14 hours ago, wakeupplease said: Sorry sunshine you are very wrong, my wife got all the befits after 2 years, now its 5 years to get British nationalization, just check your facts b4 posting It is you who should check the facts before posting. Had you done so you would have discovered that your information is now out of date, and has been since July 2012. When my wife arrived in the UK with her settlement visa in February 2001 the residential qualifying period for ILR was 1 year. I can't remember the exact year, it was either 2003 or 2004 I think, when Labour changed this to two years. Then in July 2012 the Coalition changed it to 5 years. The residential qualifying period for naturalisation has been 5 years for at least the 17 years I have taken an interest; except for the spouses and civil partners of British citizens when it has been, and still is, three years. However, spouses and civil partners also need to hold ILR and all others need to have held ILR for at least 1 year. So, obviously, this means at least 5 years residence for spouses and civil partners and 6 years for everyone else. Assuming they are, as most family migrants and some other categories are, on the 5 year route to settlement (ILR). Following the Supreme Court ruling on the financial requirement earlier this year some family migrants will be, as certain other categories already were, on the 10 year route. If you want to comment on the current rules and requirements first get your facts right, start your research at the UKVI homepage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecoolfrog Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 4 hours ago, nontabury said: Look up the relative UK Gov documentations. Even 7x7, who knows more about the UK immigration laws then anyone on this forum, and who is certainly NOT connected with any extreme right wing View, yesterday confirmed that what I said is correct. Neither 7 x 7 nor any government site makes the claim that certain people are exempt from the regulations. Only you have stated that and , for obvious reasons, cannot back up your statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, nontabury said: Look up the relative UK Gov documentations. Even 7x7, who knows more about the UK immigration laws then anyone on this forum, and who is certainly NOT connected with any extreme right wing View, yesterday confirmed that what I said is correct. Firstly, thanks for the compliment; although there are members who know as much as I do, and some who know far more. Secondly, my post was about those applying to enter the UK for more than 6 months who are exempt from obtaining a TB certificate because they are applying in a country which is not considered by the UK government to be high risk and those who are exempt from the English language tests because they are from an Anglophone country. I did not mention any exemption from the prohibition on public funds because this prohibition applies to all except for those entering the UK under the EEA regulations; who are prohibited for only the first three months of residence. I did not mention any other form of exemption from the regulations, whether one is entering via the immigration rules or using the EEA regulations because these exemptions do not exist. This includes asylum seekers; there are rules and regulations covering them and none are exempt. Edited October 4, 2017 by 7by7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al007 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 32 minutes ago, 7by7 said: The other exception is asylum seekers. The UK being a civilised country does not expect these people to live on the streets and starve. So asylum seekers are, as I said, given a small allowance, £36.95 per week, to buy food and clothing. They are also given somewhere to live; this may be in bed and breakfasts, hostels or similar, but is often in an immigration detention centre. This is good and obviously should mean Yingluck should be ok in the UK, better than a prison in Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeupplease Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 1 hour ago, 7by7 said: It is you who should check the facts before posting. Had you done so you would have discovered that your information is now out of date, and has been since July 2012. When my wife arrived in the UK with her settlement visa in February 2001 the residential qualifying period for ILR was 1 year. I can't remember the exact year, it was either 2003 or 2004 I think, when Labour changed this to two years. Then in July 2012 the Coalition changed it to 5 years. The residential qualifying period for naturalisation has been 5 years for at least the 17 years I have taken an interest; except for the spouses and civil partners of British citizens when it has been, and still is, three years. However, spouses and civil partners also need to hold ILR and all others need to have held ILR for at least 1 year. So, obviously, this means at least 5 years residence for spouses and civil partners and 6 years for everyone else. Assuming they are, as most family migrants and some other categories are, on the 5 year route to settlement (ILR). Following the Supreme Court ruling on the financial requirement earlier this year some family migrants will be, as certain other categories already were, on the 10 year route. If you want to comment on the current rules and requirements first get your facts right, start your research at the UKVI homepage. Anyone who stated the process before 2012/2013 comes under the old law not the new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 11 minutes ago, wakeupplease said: Anyone who stated the process before 2012/2013 comes under the old law not the new one. To be precise it is anyone on the family route who submitted their initial visa application before 12th July 2012 who comes under the old rules. Anyone who submitted their initial application on or after 12th July 2012 comes under the new rules. Those who come under the old rules would have obtained their ILR by now; unless for some reason, such as not passing the LitUK test, they have not yet qualified. In which case they must make, and pay for, an FLR application every two years and meet the requirements for that. FLR does not give an entitlement to claim benefits; they would not be able to claim public funds until they have ILR You said your wife was able to claim benefits after two years, which as she would be prohibited from public funds until she had ILR means she, like most who were on the 2 year route, must have been granted her ILR after 2 years residence. We are talking about the current rules, not those prior to 12th July 2012. I should add for the purpose of completeness that those whose marriage or relationship with their British sponsor has ended because of bereavement or they are the victim domestic violence can apply for ILR without meeting many of the requirements; including the residential one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkk6060 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Why do I hear so many Brits crying for help?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogi100 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 What a bloody nerve he's got! Expecting the tax payer to foot the bill when there are asylum seekers and refugees much more deserving of any charity that may be going that he and others like him have come to expect. Let him rot in the gutter where he belongs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The manic Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 On 03/10/2017 at 7:48 AM, JAG said: Given that this character is 41, and has spent the last 15 years in Thailand, he can't have paid little in the way of National Insurance contributions. More than most immigrants legal or illegal. 30 years contributions is a full pension BTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The manic Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Just now, yogi100 said: What a bloody nerve he's got! Expecting the tax payer to foot the bill when there are asylum seekers and refugees much more deserving of any charity that may be going that he and others like him have come to expect. Let him rot in the gutter where he belongs. 555. I get the Irony. but others wont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The manic Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 24 minutes ago, bkk6060 said: Why do I hear so many Brits crying for help?? You don't. As a nation we give more help than any country on earth. Unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The manic Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 1 hour ago, al007 said: This is good and obviously should mean Yingluck should be ok in the UK, better than a prison in Thailand She is a hero who should not be put in prison anywhere. She got voted into power. Nobody ever voted for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1971 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, The manic said: More than most immigrants legal or illegal. 30 years contributions is a full pension BTW Migrants contribute £25bn to UK economy, study finds https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/05/migration-target-useless-experts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogi100 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 1 minute ago, The manic said: 555. I get the Irony. but others wont. Well he's just another Englishman down on his luck in his own country, he ought to know the score by now. He'll have to get some cardboard boxes and find a nice cosy doorway somewhere like others have had to including hundreds of ex servicemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The manic Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 3 hours ago, al007 said: To be a little kind and loving to our fellow creatures costs little Yes the man in question has not done well But lets not forget alcoholism and drug addiction are both illnesses,as is manic depression, and bi polar disorder, to name but a few, and just maybe think but for the Grace of God that could have been me What goes around comes around and just lets hope some of the overcritical ones never wind up them selves in a similar position He is British citizen. He paid taxes when he was in the UK. Whilst living outside the UK he has used no UK resources. His family have paid taxes. His parents and grandparents cough in two world wars. The current anti expat laws are a disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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