webfact Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Putin says Trump is listening to Russia's views on North Korea crisis FILE PHOTO - Russia's President Vladimir Putin chairs a meeting on preparations for the 2018 FIFA World Cup in Moscow, Russia October 3, 2017. Sputnik/Alexei Nikolsky/Kremlin via REUTERS MOSCOW (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said on Wednesday that U.S. President Donald Trump was listening to Russia's views on the North Korean missile crisis which emphasise diplomacy over further sanctions or military action. Putin, speaking at an energy forum in Moscow, called for all sides to dial down the rhetoric on North Korea. (Reporting by Jacks Stubbs and Katya Golubkova; Editing by Andrew Osborn) -- © Copyright Reuters 2017-10-05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quadperfect Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 I am not buyin it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becker Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) Of course the man-child is listening. He wouldn't want a certain golden shower video to surface, would he. Man, that would be the day I popped that special bottle of Champagne if his handler ever released it! Edited October 5, 2017 by Becker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunroaming Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Trump desperately needs a way out over North Korea. Putin playing the statesman while Kim and Trump are still acting like a pair of out of control children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julietx Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 clinton, bush & obama at least had the sense not to go down the road of confrontation with NK it's a dead end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 1 hour ago, julietx said: clinton, bush & obama at least had the sense not to go down the road of confrontation with NK it's a dead end. Clinton, Bush and Obama tried negotiating for years and look where it got us? A nuclear North Korea threatening to sink Japan and turn South Korea into ashes. So yes. Negotiating seems to be a dead end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweatalot Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Did Trump learn that Putin is undermining the sanctions - thus making a peaceful solution more difficult? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunroaming Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 3 hours ago, julietx said: clinton, bush & obama at least had the sense not to go down the road of confrontation with NK it's a dead end. Literally a dead end. In fact military action would be thousands of dead ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William C F Pierce Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Why should anyone listen to Putin? Did he listen to anyone over Crimea (a part of Ukraine) or East Ukraine? At the end of 2016 Russia announced details of the most powerful and advanced sniper rifle in the world. Capable of killing at a distance of 3 kilometres. I was in the Ukraine in March/April 2016, when it was reported on English Language TV that many Ukrainian Soldiers were being killed by sniper fire. Quite apart from the fact that Russian tanks illegally crossed the border into Ukraine. The Azon sea is bordered by Ukraine and Russia, so it is is obvious that Russia wants it as a large Naval Base all to itself, opening into the Black Sea which is governed by an international treaty. Vladivostok it's eastern naval port along with its Baltic naval port freeze over in winter. He needs to get out of Ukraine and Crimea before he expects anyone to listen to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunroaming Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 13 minutes ago, William C F Pierce said: Why should anyone listen to Putin? Did he listen to anyone over Crimea (a part of Ukraine) or East Ukraine? At the end of 2016 Russia announced details of the most powerful and advanced sniper rifle in the world. Capable of killing at a distance of 3 kilometres. I was in the Ukraine in March/April 2016, when it was reported on English Language TV that many Ukrainian Soldiers were being killed by sniper fire. Quite apart from the fact that Russian tanks illegally crossed the border into Ukraine. The Azon sea is bordered by Ukraine and Russia, so it is is obvious that Russia wants it as a large Naval Base all to itself, opening into the Black Sea which is governed by an international treaty. Vladivostok it's eastern naval port along with its Baltic naval port freeze over in winter. He needs to get out of Ukraine and Crimea before he expects anyone to listen to him. Can't see the relevance to the current situation with North Korea. I don't think anyone is saying that Putin should be listened to per say but like it or not Putin is a significant world voice after Xi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonray Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 I think he is playing Trump again....knowing that his psych experts told him that if he stated Trump is listening to his advice, Trump will start trouble again...making the hole deeper. Keep in mind that Putin was a former senior KGB agent ...he is a very bad man and has ordered the murder of rivals and journalists who have opposed him. Trump will again fall into the trap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William C F Pierce Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 5 minutes ago, dunroaming said: Can't see the relevance to the current situation with North Korea. I don't think anyone is saying that Putin should be listened to per say but like it or not Putin is a significant world voice after Xi. The relevance has nothing to do with NK. Its about why should anyone listen to Putin, when he himself refrains from listening and does not stop acting illegally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunroaming Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 1 minute ago, William C F Pierce said: The relevance has nothing to do with NK. Its about why should anyone listen to Putin, when he himself refrains from listening and does not stop acting illegally. Putin is a very bad man, no question about that but he is also a very savvy man and he will play Trump like a fiddle. Trump has got history with Putin and he will listen to him, after all he has little option. Kim will also listen to him because he also has little option. Anyway time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William C F Pierce Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, dunroaming said: Putin is a very bad man, no question about that but he is also a very savvy man and he will play Trump like a fiddle. Trump has got history with Putin and he will listen to him, after all he has little option. Kim will also listen to him because he also has little option. Anyway time will tell. Still not relevant!!! No-one should listen to him until he starts listening!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonray Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 1 hour ago, dunroaming said: Putin is a very bad man, no question about that but he is also a very savvy man and he will play Trump like a fiddle. Trump has got history with Putin and he will listen to him, after all he has little option. Kim will also listen to him because he also has little option. Anyway time will tell. I was reading a bit about the Korean War and apparently, Kim Il Sung had traveled to Moscow to meet with Stalin about his plan for taking the South. Stalin, it was said, pretty much knew Kim's idea of the Southern resistance rising up and fighting with him was nonsense, but encouraged him anyway with the knowledge that he was going to get blasted by the US military. What he did not anticipate was that the Chinese would see the US as an existential threat and enter the war. So the Soviets in spite of public statements to the contrary actually encouraged the war even though they knew NK would lose just to cause great distress for the Americans...I think Putin may be taking a page from Stalin's playbook here. Scumbag that he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julietx Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 14 hours ago, craigt3365 said: Clinton, Bush and Obama tried negotiating for years and look where it got us? A nuclear North Korea threatening to sink Japan and turn South Korea into ashes. So yes. Negotiating seems to be a dead end. it's the US war games that antagonise them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 6 hours ago, julietx said: it's the US war games that antagonise them Yeah, why would a country that was invaded by the North and is still technically in a state of war look for allies and practice defending itself? Maybe it's the inherent instability of a repressive, backwards regime that needs an external enemy to justify its existence that is at the root of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 20 hours ago, craigt3365 said: Clinton, Bush and Obama tried negotiating for years and look where it got us? A nuclear North Korea threatening to sink Japan and turn South Korea into ashes. So yes. Negotiating seems to be a dead end. Actually Bush broke off negotiations almost immediately after taking office in 2001. It was after that, in 2006, that North Korea exploded its first nuclear bomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 3 hours ago, heybruce said: Actually Bush broke off negotiations almost immediately after taking office in 2001. It was after that, in 2006, that North Korea exploded its first nuclear bomb. Agreed. Interesting commentary on it. Seems NK was also caught cheating on the agreement. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/why-president-bushs-north-korea-failure-is-important-to-remember The Bush team didn’t like the concept of the deal itself. Giving things to the North Koreans to get them to do things we wanted was rewarding misbehavior, ‘appeasement’. ...... The North Koreans have used menacing or destabilizing actions to extract aid from great powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 7 hours ago, craigt3365 said: Agreed. Interesting commentary on it. Seems NK was also caught cheating on the agreement. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/why-president-bushs-north-korea-failure-is-important-to-remember The Bush team didn’t like the concept of the deal itself. Giving things to the North Koreans to get them to do things we wanted was rewarding misbehavior, ‘appeasement’. ...... The North Koreans have used menacing or destabilizing actions to extract aid from great powers. The reader should take a look at the article you linked to, which agrees with Heybruce, though you choose to imply a different conclusion. Did the DPRK turn you down for a visa and you are on an epic sulk about it or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 16 minutes ago, baboon said: Did the DPRK turn you down for a visa and you are on an epic sulk about it or what? Not at all. I've been to over 100 countries. But for sure would not have Mugabe's avatar in my profile. Kinda bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, craigt3365 said: Not at all. I've been to over 100 countries. But for sure would not have Mugabe's avatar in my profile. Kinda bizarre. Do you agree with Heybruce or do you not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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