Kieran00001 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Thian said: I've seen plenty video's of it.....they all got 500 baht. You cant call foul on one party giving their voters money and ignore the other, they were both doing it, but giving someone some money or a lift to a polling station does not ensure they vote for you anyway, better give them a free healthcare system, new schools, roads, electricity and running water if you want to secure their vote, that's how Thaksin did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenny2017 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) 51 minutes ago, NCC1701A said: " IN THE NEXT 30 years, THE THAI economy is targeted to expand by 4-5 percent per annum over the next 30 years..." Thailand 2047. "Maaassage? Where you go? I go with you." Thailand 2047. Foreigners, from Thais, also called Farrang have realized that LOS is a rip off country and they go to other destinations where they're welcome and wanted. No more I love you too much, then. And no more cash for all. Myanmar, Laos, and Cambodia are more developed than Thailand in 2047. Edited October 10, 2017 by jenny2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenny2017 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said: You cant call foul on one party giving their voters money and ignore the other, they were both doing it, but giving someone some money or a lift to a polling station does not ensure they vote for you anyway, better give them a free healthcare system, new schools, roads, electricity and running water if you want to secure their vote, that's how Thaksin did it. The 30 baht card wasn't Thaksin's idea at all. Nor did he build new schools, and what has electricity and water to do with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thian Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Without technology and automatisation thailand will go nowhere. There are no real technicians in Thailand, no good ones at least. "made in Thailand" stands for broken in a week. Technical students even can't speak english, not even the university degree ones. The other ones like to fight eachother with machete's. Also all the monopolies drive prices up where the already rich families make the profit. It's sad to see fathers of families spending so much income on beer and cigarettes and getting nothing back from it. They even can't buy new citybuses for Bangkok while they have the money ready ( i assume)... Many Bangkokians spend several hours in traffic each day again, just to go to work. And the skytrain is too expensive with the priceraise from almost 50% lately. Nothing gets improved, life only gets more expensive with the same lousy quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptHaddock Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 10 minutes ago, jenny2017 said: Thailand 2047. Foreigners, from Thais, also called Farrang have realized that LOS is a rip off country and they go to other destinations where they're welcome and wanted. No more I love you too much, then. And no more cash for all. Myanmar, Laos, and Cambodia are more developed than Thailand in 2047. Hardly the case. Thailand has the second highest number of tourist visits per year in Asia, after China. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Tourism_rankings#Asia-Pacific Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thechook Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Thian said: I've seen plenty video's of it.....they all got 500 baht. Yes my wife's family received financial handouts from the Demacrats but they didn't vote for them, they were also offered money and a free whistle to go to Bangkok and support Suthep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminomadic Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 It's not impossible that TH will reach "developed country" status in 20 years, but it's not something you can actually plan. Lee Kuan Yu did it for Singapore in about that frame of time. It's called having a truly great leader lead the country, and said leader must not get kicked out by these jealous types. As for me, I'll believe it when I see either 1) Even 10% of Thais in any given public space reading a book/kindle instead of LINE/FB/vid games or 2) a critical mass of Singaporeans and Malaysians coming here to look for work (vs. being placed through their own multinationals) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminomadic Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 14 minutes ago, jenny2017 said: The 30 baht card wasn't Thaksin's idea at all. Really? not at all? Please tell us whose it was then. Can't wait to hear this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I always like to think positive about the country I call home but I have heard this mantra for the last 17 years since I came here. It is no closer then as it is now, so please excuse me for my cynicism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LannaGuy Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Twenty years starts from 1930, of course, so they are hoping to get to 1935 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worgeordie Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Very difficult to move forward,when you are in reverse gear. regards Worgeordie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisH Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Countries that have a coup every 4 years on average do NOT become developed. It's the antithesis of development. So if Thailand is lagging behind, this is one of the main reasons...along with a multitude of cultural ones. There are plenty of smart people here. But is they are not rich or connected, they get pushed to the side. When the best person is put into a job, then the country will develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardColeman Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 3 hours ago, webfact said: Goal is to become a 'developed' country within 20 years God knows how many years the 'democratic developed ' country will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klauskunkel Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 3 hours ago, webfact said: Goal is to become a 'developed' country within 20 years do you have a road map and does it include a coup every five years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selftaopath Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Orton Rd said: That is a myth, not reality It's very real in the area we live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LannaGuy Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 19 minutes ago, jenny2017 said: The 30 baht card wasn't Thaksin's idea at all. Nor did he build new schools, and what has electricity and water to do with it? Thailand introduced universal coverage reforms in 2001 when Thaksin was PM. Don't let your bias change history please.Thaksin initiated two key healthcare policies: subsidized universal health care and low-cost universal access to anti-retroviral HIV medication (ARVs). Thaksin's 30-baht/visit universal healthcare program won the applause of the general public, but was criticized by many doctors and officials. Prior to the program's introduction, a large portion of the population had no health insurance and limited access to healthcare. The program helped increase access to healthcare from 76% of the population to 96% of the population.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premiership_of_Thaksin_Shinawatra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokNicky Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) The Developed Hub or The 20 Year Developed Hub.. Edited October 10, 2017 by BangkokNicky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 You can have as many NESDB plans extending over as many decades as you like, with as many "S curve bases" and as much digital technology as you can imagine, but until you give your people the incentive to, and the freedom to improve their lot, they will not do so, and Thailand will not move out of the economic and political rut it is stuck in. Until, eventually, the people decide they have had enough, and take those freedoms and opportunities by force. Then, Thailand will move forward. How rapidly depends on how much damage is done... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokNicky Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, JAG said: You can have as many NESDB plans extending over as many decades as you like, with as many "S curve bases" and as much digital technology as you can imagine, but until you give your people the incentive to, and the freedom to improve their lot, they will not do so, and Thailand will not move out of the economic and political rut it is stuck in. Until, eventually, the people decide they have had enough, and take those freedoms and opportunities by force. Then, Thailand will move forward. How rapidly depends on how much damage is done... Hmm Amazing Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 55 minutes ago, Thian said: So also you didn't understand who called for the coup?? We're not allowed to discuss the subject in Thailand.... If we're not allowed to discuss the subject, why are you then, consistently? Is it because you have realised that, jolly conveniently, no one can challenge or argue with your assertion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowboat Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Thian said: I've seen plenty video's of it.....they all got 500 baht. Great ! Evidence ! Why were not any arrests made ? Is it illegal ? Were the videos proven to be real , or was somebody just handing out money ? These allegations are made all the time, but no arrests are ever carried out. Thailand is not going anywhere until they higher standards of education, embrace foreign tech workers, and mete out justice fairly for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 If we're not allowed to discuss the subject, why are you then, consistently? Is it because you have realised that, jolly conveniently, no one can challenge or argue with your assertion?Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Thailand has delusions of adequacy. The Thai economy is targeted to expand 4-5% over the next 30 years, what could possibly go wrong ? In the words of old British PM Macmillan, ''Events old boy,events''. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marginline Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, klauskunkel said: do you have a road map and does it include a coup every five years? What if it was an acronym instead which meant something positive like Colloquy Operative Uniting Politics. Surely a C.O.U.P. every 5-years would then be okay? IMHO that would sound BS enough to spin the necessary facts without affecting the GDP and have the UN with their knickers in a veto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LannaGuy Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Thian said: So also you didn't understand who called for the coup?? We're not allowed to discuss the subject in Thailand.... It's true that 'certain' things cannot be discussed here (openly) and who gave that order? the ammart who control everything here. Until those dinosaurs die out there is no progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmsally Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 After my initial shock, I actually came to the conclusion that in a way it is completely possible. They will simply change the definition of "developed". Simply another catchphrase that can be twisted until unrecognisable, but as long as it meets their needs, no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) 48 minutes ago, jenny2017 said: The 30 baht card wasn't Thaksin's idea at all. Nor did he build new schools, and what has electricity and water to do with it? All 4 improved the lives of his electoral base significantly. Yes he was responsible for implementing them. That is why, in person or by proxy he keeps winning elections. That is why we now have a military junta governing the country. To stop him, in person or by proxy, winning elections. These plans will change nothing. Edited October 10, 2017 by JAG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisH Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, soalbundy said: Thailand has delusions of adequacy. The Thai economy is targeted to expand 4-5% over the next 30 years, what could possibly go wrong ? In the words of old British PM Macmillan, ''Events old boy,events''. probably mean "by 30 years it would have expanded 5%" lol That's more achieveable that 5% per year. But Thailand is too proud to take notes from development in Vietnam (6.2%) or Philippines (6.92%). Thailands rate is 3.2% for the same time (2016). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotman Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 2 hours ago, mikebell said: Thailand is 60 years from being a developed nation. It is mediaeval in its thinking allowing Hi-sos to lord it over the serfs. The rule of law is barely implemented and then only selectively. Thai police are the nouveau-riche. Packs of wild dogs roam unchecked. The daily slaughter on the roads continues unabated. There is little effective education unless you are rich and live in a city. This man's delusional thinking is typical of the ruling classes. They only need to look to Singapore to see what they absolutely must do to reach their goal. Tackle corruption head on and deal with it. Sort out the tax laws so that all pay. Evolve a fair social security and health system for all people. Open their borders to foreign investment and make immigration and settlement easier. Democracy, as practised in the West, is not necessary and clearly does not suit LOS, but they need a fair constitution and the Military need to be involved, but back off. Remove the ability for the Military to be involved in any commercial activity so that they are dependant on the constitutional government for funds. Do all this and they may have a chance, don't do these things and it will never happen. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseldave1951 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 must get paid by the word with so much delusional BS, he's got to be wealthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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