Stick welding a pool fence

[carlyai]

This post is a bit thin on details, but I want to weld up a pool fence.

 

The top and bottom rails will have end plates that loxin to the cement rendered vertical posts.

 

Between the top and bottom rails would be welded vertical box sections about 6" apart.

 

I was thinking of using 1.5 or 2 inch box section for the vertical pieces, but not sure if the top and bottom rails should be the same width or bigger.

 

I would want to use fairly heavy guage or thickness box section so it's easier to weld.

 

Any ideas?

 

Edited October 12, 2017 by carlyai

[BEVUP]

I would use 2 " rails & 1.5 " verticals

Sounds like your going to install the rails & then weld the verticals - No doubt as not to have any bolts or ect showing & to ensure a good result incase a prefab one doesn't fit correctly

But this also makes for difficult overhead welding & the 1.5 " Vert will make it easier to weld & keep a full wed within the rails instead of having to grind of the weld if level with rail & vertical

[wayned]

I'm not sure what you mean by "loxin", but if the attachment plates for the horizontal rails are attached to the concrete posts before they are rendered, then there's no need to install the horizontal rails and then weld the verticals.  I would build them as panels and install after they are welded and properly finished, no difficult vertical welding required..  I would use 1' square box  horizontals with 3/4' square box verticals.  Unless you want to create a heady duty barrier, there's no need to use anything larger.

[carlyai]

I'm not sure what you mean by "loxin", but if the attachment plates for the horizontal rails are attached to the concrete posts before they are rendered, then there's no need to install the horizontal rails and then weld the verticals.  I would build them as panels and install after they are welded and properly finished, no difficult vertical welding required..  I would use 1' square box  horizontals with 3/4' square box verticals.  Unless you want to create a heady duty barrier, there's no need to use anything larger.

I did plan to weld them up all together first (tak them up, fit, off again, weld), then install the panels.

The concrete and rebar pillars are rendered already, so the plates for the top and bottom rails of the panels will bolt into the pillars.

Initially I was going to install the panels before they rendered but as I'm slow, I told the builder to finish the job.

So I've got a couple of metal sizes to choose from. From the two posts (thank you both).
As I haven't welded much for a long time I thought the thickest metal or box section I could get would help.




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[carlyai]

I would use 2 " rails & 1.5 " verticals
Sounds like your going to install the rails & then weld the verticals - No doubt as not to have any bolts or ect showing & to ensure a good result incase a prefab one doesn't fit correctly
But this also makes for difficult overhead welding & the 1.5 " Vert will make it easier to weld & keep a full wed within the rails instead of having to grind of the weld if level with rail & vertical

Sorry Bevup, I did mean to weld up the panels and install them.

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[BEVUP]

No problems but as mentioned you can down size the material unless you want a more chunkier look

I would just do the same as mentioned & I guess a thicker size may help you in blowing less holes

I guess you might use 1.5 mm rods at 90 or 95 I'm not a welder so one may come along with exp. 

 

 

[eyecatcher]

life is much easier making balustrade panels if you have a couple of sash cramps.

when steel heats up it deflect and bends and your baluster at one end may look like its 10mm longer!

 

sash cramps will hold your frame in place as you burn.

 

work from the ends in..left then right alternating if you can.

 

I am 20 hours of practice away from becoming proficient but you learn more when everything goes wrong dont you.

[builder]

I did this last year 1x2 frames 1x1 pickets 4 inch space that is the max gap for most American building code if you have young children around you might want to consider that


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[carlyai]

14 hours ago, builder said:

I did this last year 1x2 frames 1x1 pickets 4 inch space that is the max gap for most American building code if you have young children around you might want to consider that


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That looks beautiful. I gotta couple of cases of beer if you live nearby ?.

What thickness steel did you use and what size welding electrodes? Thanks...that's how mine's gonna end up.

[carlyai]

15 hours ago, eyecatcher said:

life is much easier making balustrade panels if you have a couple of sash cramps.

when steel heats up it deflect and bends and your baluster at one end may look like its 10mm longer!

 

sash cramps will hold your frame in place as you burn.

 

work from the ends in..left then right alternating if you can.

 

I am 20 hours of practice away from becoming proficient but you learn more when everything goes wrong dont you.

Sash cramps....will have to Google that. 

Got you about welding one vertical from the left then right.

 

You been spying on my previous swimming pool posts? What do you mean you learn more when everything goes wrong? 55555

By the way, just filled the pool. ?

 

[builder]

The frames are 2.5 mm the pickets are 1 mm . No need for sash clamps tack everything first then tack a brace also if you can tack to bench . The welding on this is mig


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[builder]

I live in chantaburi


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[sometimewoodworker]

2.3mm for the metal makes it easier to avoid burn through.

I used anchor bolts to attach the base plates to the floor before welding the uprights to them.

 

 

magnetic welding right angles make life very much easier 

 

 

the horizontal secttions are welded to the rebar in the columns, our welder just chipped into the columns, welded, then filled the holes.

 

 

its looking good now.

 

[carlyai]

2.3mm for the metal makes it easier to avoid burn through.

I used anchor bolts to attach the base plates to the floor before welding the uprights to them.

 

 

magnetic welding right angles make life very much easier 

 

 

the horizontal secttions are welded to the rebar in the columns, our welder just chipped into the columns, welded, then filled the holes.

 

 

its looking good now.

 

Yes lookin good.

 

That blue section between the two pillars, did you weld it up outside then slip it into place?

Or, did you tack on the horizontal steel chipped cement/render to the rebar, with bottom horizontal section

anchored in the middle, then weld in the verticals?

 

I'm not to sure my welding skills will let me tak into the post rebar and get everything at the same height.

 

Those red 90 degree thinggies, what do you call then, and did you get them here?

 

One more question....magnetic welding?

Edit

 

Got it....magnetic welding right angles (red) thinggies [emoji848]

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[sometimewoodworker]

5 hours ago, carlyai said:

Yes lookin good.

 

That blue section between the two pillars, did you weld it up outside then slip it into place?

Or, did you tack on the horizontal steel chipped cement/render to the rebar, with bottom horizontal section

anchored in the middle, then weld in the verticals?

 

I'm not to sure my welding skills will let me tak into the post rebar and get everything at the same height.

 

Those red 90 degree thinggies, what do you call then, and did you get them here?

 

One more question....magnetic welding?

Edit

 

Got it....magnetic welding right angles (red) thinggies

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I'm not exactly clear about your question and I'm in Japan at the moment, however AFIK our welder opened the pillars, welded to the rebar (not tack welds) then used filler.

 

the magnetic welding hold fasts came from Japan and Thailand AFIR I probably got them from http://www.thaicarpenter.com I don't use the search, just go all through the site clicking until I find what I want.

[carlyai]

 
 
I'm not exactly clear about your question and I'm in Japan at the moment, however AFIK our welder opened the pillars, welded to the rebar (not tack welds) then used filler.
 
the magnetic welding hold fasts came from Japan and Thailand AFIR I probably got them from http://www.thaicarpenter.com I don't use the search, just go all through the site clicking until I find what I want.

No that's fine, I'm a bit of a gibberer.

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