8 Years After Last Execution, Abolition Still Not Guaranteed

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8 Years After Last Execution, Abolition Still Not Guaranteed

By Pravit Rojanaphruk, Senior Staff Writer

 

Thai actress Panadda Wongphudee campaigns for using the death penalty against rapists in 2014 at a school in Nakhon Si Thammarat province.

 

BANGKOK — Those campaigning for the abolition of the death penalty may take solace in the fact that no one has been executed for eight years. There have been no actual executions, but a senior government official said it’s simply impossible to predict when capital punishment will be abolished in Thailand.

 

Pitikan Sitthidej, Director General of the Department of Rights and Liberties said it’s impossible to pin down when Thailand will do away with death penalty despite having observed a de facto moratorium since 2009.

 

Full Story: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/2017/10/12/8-years-last-execution-abolition-still-not-guaranteed/

 

-- © Copyright Khaosod English 2017-10-12

[Happyman58]

Ok The death penalty Some say yes others say no. We had a guy in Australia shoot dead 42 people. Do you think he deserves to live I dont  Vermin like that deserve to die. Charles Manson does anybody think he deserves to live No i dont I think the only problem they are reluctant to use the death penalty is because sometimes they might execute an innocent man So for serial killers i say yes and child sex predators which are bad in Cambodia, Laos ,Thailand ,India These grubs deserve to die also The only reason i think these so called sex predators survive is because many government officials are also involved in it.

[gandalf12]

With some of the psycho's Thailand has they need to use it more often

[starky]

1 hour ago, Happyman58 said:

Ok The death penalty Some say yes others say no. We had a guy in Australia shoot dead 42 people. Do you think he deserves to live I dont  Vermin like that deserve to die. Charles Manson does anybody think he deserves to live No i dont I think the only problem they are reluctant to use the death penalty is because sometimes they might execute an innocent man So for serial killers i say yes and child sex predators which are bad in Cambodia, Laos ,Thailand ,India These grubs deserve to die also The only reason i think these so called sex predators survive is because many government officials are also involved in it.

Although I agree with the sentiment some would argue that killing the dogs gives them an easy way out. If ya really fair dinkum and got the stomach maybe a pair of secatuers and cut little pieces off every day and see how long it will take them to die is the best go. As torture isnt an option, unfortunately, maybe 23 hours a day locked up in protective custody forever without chance of parole isnt a bad alternative. 

[Cadbury]

They could always follow the lead of Philippines President Duterte who shoots drug dealers and threatens corrupt government officials with the prospect of being thrown out of a helicopter in mid-air. The new Black Hawks could come in useful for something. Problem with the Duterte formula is that the morgues around Sukhumvit Rd and a few other places would be overflowing with bodies (with and without uniforms) plus there would be hardly anyone left within the government services to supervise administrative duties.

[Stargeezr]

 The Guillotine is the answer. Just make sure the murderer is guilty for sure.

   Clean efficient, pretty much painless and guaranteed to work. Quick as well!

Geezer

[yellowboat]

Not a fan of giving any state ultimate power let alone this one. 

[GOLDBUGGY]

On ‎10‎/‎13‎/‎2017 at 11:30 AM, Happyman58 said:

Ok The death penalty Some say yes others say no. We had a guy in Australia shoot dead 42 people. Do you think he deserves to live I dont  Vermin like that deserve to die. Charles Manson does anybody think he deserves to live No i dont I think the only problem they are reluctant to use the death penalty is because sometimes they might execute an innocent man So for serial killers i say yes and child sex predators which are bad in Cambodia, Laos ,Thailand ,India These grubs deserve to die also The only reason i think these so called sex predators survive is because many government officials are also involved in it.

I only have to ask you 2 questions which I hope makes you think about what you said.

 

1) Do you think you have the right on deciding who lives or dies?

 

2) If you have this right, who gave it to you?

 

You talk about someone who killed 42 people in Australia. But yet your "Yes Vote" may put hundreds to death.

 

Personally I could not cast my vote on this as I agree there is certain people who deserve all we can give them. But at the same time I don't feel it is my Right on deciding if they live or die.

 

I think a Life Sentence in a Thai Prison is worst than death anyway. But again it is only my opinion.

[craigt3365]

48 minutes ago, GOLDBUGGY said:

I think a Life Sentence in a Thai Prison is worst than death anyway. But again it is only my opinion.

Agree.  And it's easier due to the lengthy court proceedings for the death penalty.  Life behind bars is the ultimate punishment.

[Happyman58]

57 minutes ago, GOLDBUGGY said:

I only have to ask you 2 questions which I hope makes you think about what you said.

 

1) Do you think you have the right on deciding who lives or dies?

 

2) If you have this right, who gave it to you?

 

You talk about someone who killed 42 people in Australia. But yet your "Yes Vote" may put hundreds to death.

 

Personally I could not cast my vote on this as I agree there is certain people who deserve all we can give them. But at the same time I don't feel it is my Right on deciding if they live or die.

 

I think a Life Sentence in a Thai Prison is worst than death anyway. But again it is only my opinion.

So you think a guy who shot dead 42 people deserves to live. He took away 42 peoples lives women children husbands What did they do wrong? As you can read i said this guy deserves to put to death. Dont you think those people who lives he destroyed have any satisfaction and seeing him live while they lost beloved people. Trouble is this guy is not in a Thai prison He is in a aussie prison.Yes it makes me think harder why this guy deserves to live I bet you would think different if he killed somebody close to you. Also have you any idea who Charles Manson was? mmmm maybe you should read his story and think why he still living.As you can read i said the only reason why the death penalty is not in is because they think sometimes they might execute an innocent man.  And yes sex predators who abuse young kids deserve to die 

[GOLDBUGGY]

7 hours ago, Happyman58 said:

So you think a guy who shot dead 42 people deserves to live. He took away 42 peoples lives women children husbands What did they do wrong? As you can read i said this guy deserves to put to death. Dont you think those people who lives he destroyed have any satisfaction and seeing him live while they lost beloved people. Trouble is this guy is not in a Thai prison He is in a aussie prison.Yes it makes me think harder why this guy deserves to live I bet you would think different if he killed somebody close to you. Also have you any idea who Charles Manson was? mmmm maybe you should read his story and think why he still living.As you can read i said the only reason why the death penalty is not in is because they think sometimes they might execute an innocent man.  And yes sex predators who abuse young kids deserve to die 

So then you would volunteer to pull the trigger on this person? Or kick the chair from under his feet with a rope around his neck? Or that final injection that ends his life? Or do you expect somebody else to do that for you? All I know for sure is that I don't want to be the one who does that.

 

Keep in mind that ever since DNA became accepted in a court of Law as evidence, many convicted convicts of murder have had retrials, and later found to be innocent. I know of one guy near my home town who was charged for rape and murder of a nurse and spent over 20 years in jail. Only to discover later he was innocent of this crime, and it was his friend who did this without his knowledge.

 

So what about them when you have Capital Punishment? This guy went through the appeal process to and lost each one. But later the DNA found on and in he victim was proved not to be his, and turned out to be somebody else they already had in prison. Who then admitted to this crime. Or is it okay by you to let one innocent man hang, just so we can do that to the other 99 guilty ones?

 

You asked me what I would feel if somebody close to me was murdered. Let me ask you something. How would you feel if you were one of the innocent and yet your family had to watch you hang for a crime you did not commit?

 

Of course I know who Charles Manson is and his followers of the "Helter Skelter" Group. Also about the murder of Roman Polanski's Pregnant Wife "Sharon Tate", along with many others.

 

But since you know so much about Charles Manson, you would also know he was not with his followers when they committed these murders, nor did he actually kill anyone. These were carried out by his followers presumed to be following his instructions. 

 

Manson has be in jail now for 46 years. He is housed in the Protective Housing Unit in California State Prison because his safety is would be endangered if he was allowed to be around the general population there. He was attached once by a prisoner with the intent on killing him. For his part in the murder of a pregnant woman.

 

Doesn't sound like he has had such a great life to me. He will more than likely die in prison to. After being there 46 years, no point in letting he free now. The world has changes so much.

[Happyman58]

20 hours ago, GOLDBUGGY said:

So then you would volunteer to pull the trigger on this person? Or kick the chair from under his feet with a rope around his neck? Or that final injection that ends his life? Or do you expect somebody else to do that for you? All I know for sure is that I don't want to be the one who does that.

 

Keep in mind that ever since DNA became accepted in a court of Law as evidence, many convicted convicts of murder have had retrials, and later found to be innocent. I know of one guy near my home town who was charged for rape and murder of a nurse and spent over 20 years in jail. Only to discover later he was innocent of this crime, and it was his friend who did this without his knowledge.

 

So what about them when you have Capital Punishment? This guy went through the appeal process to and lost each one. But later the DNA found on and in he victim was proved not to be his, and turned out to be somebody else they already had in prison. Who then admitted to this crime. Or is it okay by you to let one innocent man hang, just so we can do that to the other 99 guilty ones?

 

You asked me what I would feel if somebody close to me was murdered. Let me ask you something. How would you feel if you were one of the innocent and yet your family had to watch you hang for a crime you did not commit?

 

Of course I know who Charles Manson is and his followers of the "Helter Skelter" Group. Also about the murder of Roman Polanski's Pregnant Wife "Sharon Tate", along with many others.

 

But since you know so much about Charles Manson, you would also know he was not with his followers when they committed these murders, nor did he actually kill anyone. These were carried out by his followers presumed to be following his instructions. 

 

Manson has be in jail now for 46 years. He is housed in the Protective Housing Unit in California State Prison because his safety is would be endangered if he was allowed to be around the general population there. He was attached once by a prisoner with the intent on killing him. For his part in the murder of a pregnant woman.

 

Doesn't sound like he has had such a great life to me. He will more than likely die in prison to. After being there 46 years, no point in letting he free now. The world has changes so much.

As i said to you. The only reason capitol punishment is still not in place because there is always a query that they might hang an innocent man or woman. But you tell me what gives the right of a guy like Martyn Bryant the man who shot 42 people dead at Port Arthur the right to shoot anybody. Did not seem to worry him He even shot dead his mum and dad. The police that arrested him must of been lousey shots that day because they only wounded him They should of shot him dead As for Manson its a pity that prisoner never carried out his act and got him. I dont hear u say much about the sex predators Like Gary glitter who go to Cambodia and Thailand and exploit young kids You think vermon like that has a place on this earth. As for you asking would i pull the trigger or kick the chair yes i would  if i was employed to do that. Its like where i come from everybody hates the stray dogs and  when the council employs a dog catcher to round them up everybody hates the dog catcher.

[Happyman58]

2 minutes ago, Happyman58 said:

As i said to you. The only reason capitol punishment is still not in place because there is always a query that they might hang an innocent man or woman. But you tell me what gives the right of a guy like Martyn Bryant the man who shot 42 people dead at Port Arthur the right to shoot anybody. Did not seem to worry him He even shot dead his mum and dad. The police that arrested him must of been lousey shots that day because they only wounded him They should of shot him dead As for Manson its a pity that prisoner never carried out his act and got him. I dont hear u say much about the sex predators Like Gary glitter who go to Cambodia and Thailand and exploit young kids You think vermon like that has a place on this earth. As for you asking would i pull the trigger or kick the chair yes i would  if i was employed to do that. Its like where i come from everybody hates the stray dogs and  when the council employs a dog catcher to round them up everybody hates the dog catcher.

Ok enough arguments believe what you want Goodbye I guess people like you are a serial murderers last hope The old pity trick 

[GOLDBUGGY]

1 hour ago, Happyman58 said:

As i said to you. The only reason capitol punishment is still not in place because there is always a query that they might hang an innocent man or woman. But you tell me what gives the right of a guy like Martyn Bryant the man who shot 42 people dead at Port Arthur the right to shoot anybody. Did not seem to worry him He even shot dead his mum and dad. The police that arrested him must of been lousey shots that day because they only wounded him They should of shot him dead As for Manson its a pity that prisoner never carried out his act and got him. I dont hear u say much about the sex predators Like Gary glitter who go to Cambodia and Thailand and exploit young kids You think vermon like that has a place on this earth. As for you asking would i pull the trigger or kick the chair yes i would  if i was employed to do that. Its like where i come from everybody hates the stray dogs and  when the council employs a dog catcher to round them up everybody hates the dog catcher.

I didn't know we were having an argument. I thought we were sharing differences of opinions. But now I am wondering if you are related to my x-wife?

 

As to my view on Sex Predators, a 65 year old man fondling a 10 year old girl is very bad in my view. He should not be allowed to travel to other countries and to continue this. So I agree better laws are needed to prevent this. But I still don't think he deserves the Electric Chair for that either. We are talking about Capital Punishment here, aren't we?

 

But had you been talking about Clifford Olson who raped and murdered 11 children and young adults between the ages of 9 and 18 years old, who plea bargained a deal with the Police to show them where there bodies were for $100,000, then we are talking a different kettle of fish here.

 

Clifford Olson was obviously guilty and proved it by showing were the bodies were. He ended up spending 30 years in prison, collecting his pension from the government,  and died there of cancer at the age of 71 years. Had you asked me if I thought he deserved to live, then I would have said no.

 

But then there is David Milgaard to. He was only 16 years old when he was charged for rape and murder of a 20 year old nursing student. He was 17 years old when he was convicted and he spent 23 years in prison for this crime. Only his mother believed he was innocent and fought for his freedom with limited funds.  

 

It was only after several years in prison that the DNA Sperm Sample collected from the victim was tested and it was discovered not to be Milgaard's. But instead it was that of a serial rapists called Larry Fisher who at the time of the crime lived very close to where the victim was found. So after 23 years in prison he was finally released. He was well compensated for this mistake but he still lost 23 years of his life.

 

But then I ask you what chance would this guy have if Capital Punishment was in place and he already lost all of his appeals years ago? Would it be correct to say next to none? Can you just imagine how difficult prison life was for him not only because he was young at the time and jail bate, and being there for raping a woman, but also when he was innocent?

 

So some guys like Olson deserve the Death Penalty, and some guys like Milgaard don't. So where do you draw that fine line and border between them to separate the good from the bad? I am sure there are more Clifford Olson's out there, but I am also sure there are plenty of David Milgaards out there also.

 

It is documented the Capital Punishment does not reduce the murder rate, so you get no benefit for that. They also say it does not reduce the cost, although I find it very hard to believe that putting someone legally to death is the same as keeping him in prison for 46 years. But I guess the main point they are trying to make is that there in no benefit using Capital Punishment. Again something I am not sure I totally agree with.  

[GOLDBUGGY]

2 hours ago, Happyman58 said:

As i said to you. The only reason capitol punishment is still not in place because there is always a query that they might hang an innocent man or woman. But you tell me what gives the right of a guy like Martyn Bryant the man who shot 42 people dead at Port Arthur the right to shoot anybody. Did not seem to worry him He even shot dead his mum and dad. The police that arrested him must of been lousey shots that day because they only wounded him They should of shot him dead As for Manson its a pity that prisoner never carried out his act and got him. I dont hear u say much about the sex predators Like Gary glitter who go to Cambodia and Thailand and exploit young kids You think vermon like that has a place on this earth. As for you asking would i pull the trigger or kick the chair yes i would  if i was employed to do that. Its like where i come from everybody hates the stray dogs and  when the council employs a dog catcher to round them up everybody hates the dog catcher.

Anyone who shoots 42 people dead, including his own parents, and shows no remorse, is obviously sick in the head. Probably far beyond repair. They shoot sick dogs and horses, or put them to sleep, so why not humans? Right?

 

I can't argue that. But this guy probably has a better chance of getting off on an Insanity Plea then you would for shooting your wife and her boyfriend you caught sleeping together in your bed. Of this I am sure.  

[janclaes47]

They should introduce the dead penalty for serious traffic offenders.

[GOLDBUGGY]

2 hours ago, Happyman58 said:

As i said to you. The only reason capitol punishment is still not in place because there is always a query that they might hang an innocent man or woman. But you tell me what gives the right of a guy like Martyn Bryant the man who shot 42 people dead at Port Arthur the right to shoot anybody. Did not seem to worry him He even shot dead his mum and dad. The police that arrested him must of been lousey shots that day because they only wounded him They should of shot him dead As for Manson its a pity that prisoner never carried out his act and got him. I dont hear u say much about the sex predators Like Gary glitter who go to Cambodia and Thailand and exploit young kids You think vermon like that has a place on this earth. As for you asking would i pull the trigger or kick the chair yes i would  if i was employed to do that. Its like where i come from everybody hates the stray dogs and  when the council employs a dog catcher to round them up everybody hates the dog catcher.

Oh Yeah! I asked you and you told me that if you were employed to put someone to death you could pull the trigger or kick the chair out from under there feet. Now let me ask you something else.

 

If you were employed to do this and you kicked the chair out from under Davis Milgaard's feet, and watched him hang, then several years later they found out he was innocent, would you still love your job?

[wgdanson]

On 10/14/2017 at 6:40 AM, Stargrazer9889 said:

 The Guillotine is the answer. Just make sure the murderer is guilty for sure.

   Clean efficient, pretty much painless and guaranteed to work. Quick as well!

Geezer

Albert Pierrepoint did alright with the rope, no botch-ups, 100% efficiency, and no blood. Quickest was 7 seconds.

[overherebc]

On 14/10/2017 at 6:40 AM, Stargrazer9889 said:

 The Guillotine is the answer. Just make sure the murderer is guilty for sure.

   Clean efficient, pretty much painless and guaranteed to work. Quick as well!

Geezer

Ever read the story about the guy getting his head chopped in France during the revolution?

He and his friend a doctor agreed that when his head came off his friend would pick it up quickly and see what eye reaction he could note.

Head came off he quickly picked it up and was quite surprised that the agreed signal of blinking his eyes went on for about 10 seconds before slowing down and stopping.

If a true story then it doesn't seem to be that quick.

[Happyman58]

17 minutes ago, GOLDBUGGY said:

Oh Yeah! I asked you and you told me that if you were employed to put someone to death you could pull the trigger or kick the chair out from under there feet. Now let me ask you something else.

 

If you were employed to do this and you kicked the chair out from under Davis Milgaard's feet, and watched him hang, then several years later they found out he was innocent, would you still love your job?

Listen mate you are getting a bit personal goodbye, If u want to get personal were you down at Port Arthur that day when those people were shot I WAS Goodbye 

[wgdanson]

Just now, overherebc said:

Ever read the story about the guy getting his head chopped in France during the revolution?

He and his friend a doctor agreed that when his head came off his friend would pick it up quickly and see what eye reaction he could note.

Head came off he quickly picked it up and was quite surprised that the agreed signal of blinking his eyes went on for about 10 seconds before slowing down and stopping.

If a true story then it doesn't seem to be that quick.

It was actually in the early 1900s

[Happyman58]

10 hours ago, Happyman58 said:

Listen mate you are getting a bit personal goodbye, If u want to get personal were you down at Port Arthur that day when those people were shot I WAS Goodbye 

Then when Bryant went to court  i sat in the audience to watch the sentence which was life never to be released and as they lead him him away he turned to the victims of relatives and friends that he had shot and smirked at them. Would you have stood up and wished him a happy life or would you of wished you could kick that bloody chair from under him. Anyway talk is OVER That was the past I am trying to get over all that So forget the chat about execution ok I had enough talk about it You believe what you want to believe and i will believe what i want to believe. Unless you become P.M of the country or form government then you can have the power to stop all Goodbye Thanks you put up a great argument bye

[JAG]

10 hours ago, wgdanson said:

Albert Pierrepoint did alright with the rope, no botch-ups, 100% efficiency, and no blood. Quickest was 7 seconds.

Interestingly, he became opposed to the death penalty!

[overherebc]

10 hours ago, wgdanson said:

It was actually in the early 1900s

Did a search last night, just before my battery died, and it would seem there are a few cases of it recorded at various times in history.

[GOLDBUGGY]

1 hour ago, Happyman58 said:

Then when Bryant went to court  i sat in the audience to watch the sentence which was life never to be released and as they lead him him away he turned to the victims of relatives and friends that he had shot and smirked at them. Would you have stood up and wished him a happy life or would you of wished you could kick that bloody chair from under him. Anyway talk is OVER That was the past I am trying to get over all that So forget the chat about execution ok I had enough talk about it You believe what you want to believe and i will believe what i want to believe. Unless you become P.M of the country or form government then you can have the power to stop all Goodbye Thanks you put up a great argument bye

Well I really don't know this case too well, but from what you told me Bryant doesn't seem to be headed to a "happy life". I know I wouldn't want to trade places with him. Would you?

 

When you single out a case like this one, and me with Clifford Olson, it is not difficult to decide in these cases if they deserve Capital Punishment. But lets also be honest here. These type of cases capture Head Line News, but they are also very rare compared to the normal murder in ones city. They make up a very small percentage of the actual Murder Rate.

 

But one of the major problems with having Capital Punishment is they don't go through a barrel of rotten apples, and pick out the good ones first. The legal system still also works against the poor, where the rich can afford better lawyers. The prerequisite for Capital Punishment is "Premeditated Murder". Which basically all boils down to thinking out, or having some plan, to kill somebody before you do.

 

So under the Capital Punishment Prerequisite, if a man comes home early from work with flowers for his wife, only to find her in bed with his best friend, then drops the flowers and picks up a baseball bat and beats both or one of them to death, he will not be charged with Capital Punishment, but still face a long time in prison.

 

But at the same time, if this grief stricken man goes back to his car, to sit and think things through, and then remembering he has a gun in his glove compartment, and takes out his gun and goes back to shoot both of them, then this would be a Capital Offense, and he would be put to death for that.

 

So my biggest gripe against Capital Punishment isn't for the 2 case we both talked about. It is because Capital Punishment is a one shoe fits all, and it shouldn't be that way. No 2 cases are the same. We also have people in prison who didn't commit a crime but are serving life sentences. With Capital Punishment they would have no chance to prove there innocents. Like David Milgaard. Which I am sure there are more out there like that one to.   

[GOLDBUGGY]

2 hours ago, Happyman58 said:

Then when Bryant went to court  i sat in the audience to watch the sentence which was life never to be released and as they lead him him away he turned to the victims of relatives and friends that he had shot and smirked at them. Would you have stood up and wished him a happy life or would you of wished you could kick that bloody chair from under him. Anyway talk is OVER That was the past I am trying to get over all that So forget the chat about execution ok I had enough talk about it You believe what you want to believe and i will believe what i want to believe. Unless you become P.M of the country or form government then you can have the power to stop all Goodbye Thanks you put up a great argument bye

What I don't get is why you are so upset here. Are you always like that when somebody doesn't agree with you?

 

If that is the case then maybe you should consider changing your name here. You don't agree with me either but you don't see me upset. I fully understand that you have a different opinion on this issue. In my view that makes for a good conversation and not an argument.

[Happyman58]

1 hour ago, GOLDBUGGY said:

What I don't get is why you are so upset here. Are you always like that when somebody doesn't agree with you?

 

If that is the case then maybe you should consider changing your name here. You don't agree with me either but you don't see me upset. I fully understand that you have a different opinion on this issue. In my view that makes for a good conversation and not an argument.

 

1 hour ago, GOLDBUGGY said:

What I don't get is why you are so upset here. Are you always like that when somebody doesn't agree with you?

 

If that is the case then maybe you should consider changing your name here. You don't agree with me either but you don't see me upset. I fully understand that you have a different opinion on this issue. In my view that makes for a good conversation and not an argument.

I wont be changing my name because i like it ok No i guess we will never agree about this. Just let it go and i will keep on praying Bryant has a heart attack soon or something Not upset You made some good points  We dont live in a perfect world bye

[Stargeezr]

I  think there are more Cliffords in the world than Davids. One of those Cliffords killed

one of my relatives and that is why I have my attitude and opinion. This killer is in jail for

25 years and will be out by his 60 years of life. My relative will be dead permanently.

  That is why I will always support Capitol punishment.

Geezer

[Happyman58]

1 hour ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

I  think there are more Cliffords in the world than Davids. One of those Cliffords killed

one of my relatives and that is why I have my attitude and opinion. This killer is in jail for

25 years and will be out by his 60 years of life. My relative will be dead permanently.

  That is why I will always support Capitol punishment.

Geezer

 

1 hour ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

I  think there are more Cliffords in the world than Davids. One of those Cliffords killed

one of my relatives and that is why I have my attitude and opinion. This killer is in jail for

25 years and will be out by his 60 years of life. My relative will be dead permanently.

  That is why I will always support Capitol punishment.

Geezer

You have every right to do that Geezer Tell me what is life sentence ?You think it would be forever but its not Its 25 years and if you are good boy or girl maybe u get out in 15 years so who is being punished here? Not the murderer that is for sure

[GOLDBUGGY]

3 hours ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

I  think there are more Cliffords in the world than Davids. One of those Cliffords killed

one of my relatives and that is why I have my attitude and opinion. This killer is in jail for

25 years and will be out by his 60 years of life. My relative will be dead permanently.

  That is why I will always support Capitol punishment.

Geezer

I am sure that when it hits closer to home, like in your case, it is easier to justify Capital Punishment. You may even be correct in that there are more Cliffords out there than Davids. To be honest I am not sure. I don't think anyone can be sure of that. If we knew how many Davids that were in prison, then they wouldn't be there.

 

But is it right and can you justify putting 9 Cliffords to death, then by accident putting 1 innocent David to death? That 1 out of 10, or even 100, or even 1,000, that don't deserve to even be in prison let alone get the Death Penalty for. Do 2 wrongs make it right?

 

You talk about being a relative of one of the victims. Let's put the shoe on the other foot now. What if you were David Milgaard's Mother, who believed all along her son was innocent. Who for 23 years fought for her son's freedom on very limited funds. What kind of life did she have? But at least now she has her son back, if she is still alive anymore. But that never would have happen under the Capital Punishment Rules.

 

It is a popular misbelief that after serving 25 years in Prison, or less, a convicted first degree killer is released from prison as he is considered to have served his Time and Life Sentence. That is pure Hog Wash!  A Life Sentence for First Degree Murder is in fact a Life Sentence.  There are also 3 Levels of Murder that need to be considered.

 

In a case of 3rd Degree Murder (Criminal Negligence causing death) A person may simply have been drunk behind a wheel of his car and racing down the street at high speed, and ran over somebody and killed him. He didn't intend to kill anyone, but as a result of his criminal behavior, he did.

 

In the case of 2nd Degree Murder, you may have been involved in an argument in a bar, then a fight broke out, in which you pulled a knife on an unarmed man who you did not feel threaten for your life, and stabbed your assailant. Only for him to die later. You may not have planned to kill this person but at the same time having this knife on you, and then stabbing him with it, you knew a possibility that this could happen.

 

Both 2nd Degree and 3rd Degree Murder can carry a Life Sentence, or 25 years, or less. But in the Criminal Justice System for these types of crimes, the Prisoners are illegible for Parole after 2/3 of there sentence has been completed. Or after serving 15 years in Prison. They both do not carry an automatic 25 year sentence, so a 10 year sentence could turn into only 6 years in prison.

 

But for 1st Degree Murder, or a Murder that is Premeditated (planned out), or caused during a Rape, Arson, or an Armed Robbery these rules do not apply. The sentence is 25 years in prison with no chance of Parole before that time. The "Faint Hope Clause" in which a convicted murderer could apply for Parole after serving only 15 years, has been phased out in Canada since 2011. But for multiple murders it was phased out as early as 1996.

 

Clifford Olson applied for the "Faint Hope Clause" because his murders took place prior to these times, but of course he was rejected early Parole and died in prison after serving 30 years. Charles Manson has been in prison now for 46 years and at age 83, not likely to never get out, except in a box.

 

So even after serving 25 years in prison, you do not get a "Get Out Of Jail Free Card".  A lot depends on the crime you committed, whether it was multiple murders or not, the judges recommendation, family opposition, and of course your behavior in prison over the last 25 years.

 

If you do get out after serving 25 years, you are still on Parole, having to follow any rules they set for you and report in to a Probation Officer for the rest of your life. When convicted of First Degree Murder you can never be totally free again.  There is also no law saying they have to let you go after 25 years in prison either.