NCPO claims flood-management win

[webfact]

NCPO claims flood-management win

By THE NATION

 

Ban Tha Ko School in Bang Rakham is still under one metre of water yesterday as many parts of Phitsanulok’s Phrom Piram, Muang and Bang Rakham districts were flooded.

Rainfall matches 2011 levels with 19 people drowning in past four weeks.

 

DUE TO THREE tropical storms and one tropical depression, cumulative rainfall so far this year this has been 1,798 millimetres – similar to the same period in 2011, when Thailand witnessed its worst flood in 50 years.

 

However, National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) Spokesman Colonel Winthai Suvaree said the flood situation was not as bad because the government had a good water-management plan in place. This included an increase in the number of water-retention areas, better management of water releases from dams and an increase in flood-draining efficiency. 

 

Army chief General Chalermchai Sitthisart said 31 military companies had been dispatched to aid affected residents in 22 provinces. Despite their best efforts, certain flood-prone areas were submerged, he said.

 

He confirmed that Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha had instructed the responsible agencies to aid and compensate flood victims effectively.

 

Citing a report that 19 people – 12 of whom were aged between 20 months and 20 years old – drowned in the past four weeks, Disease Control Department chief Dr Suwanchai Wattanayingcharoenchai yesterday urged parents to keep a close watch on their children in the wake of floods.

 

He urged children, elderly persons and those with disabilities or chronic illness to avoid wading through deep floods or doing any activity in torrential rain.

 

Meanwhile, Khon Kaen governor Somsak Jangtrakul yesterday morning inspected the work of soldiers and defence volunteers who repaired a severely flooded and eroded road along the 3L-RMC irrigation waterway in Tambon Bung Niam of Khon Kaen’s Muang district. 

 

 

The volunteers joined with provincial irrigation workers to build a temporary barrier of sandbags and Eucalyptus tree trunks to prevent flood torrents from further eroding the road. In the next step, some 500 sheets of metal and 300 rock-filled gabion boxes will be used to repair the road – a task that should be completed in three days, Somsak said. He added that 3,500 rai (560 hectares) of farmland in Bung Niam had so far been damaged by floods. 

 

The provincial water management panel had decided on Saturday to lower the amount of water release from the Ubolrat Dam to 38 million cubic metres since yesterday afternoon. The lower rate would prevent the Lam Nam Pong from overflowing further and therefore allow time for officials to repair the Bung Niam road and flood barriers.

 

The overflowing Yom River has inundated residential homes and tourist attractions, including Wat Si Sattharam’s “Crocodile Ubosot” in Phichit’s Sam Ngam district yesterday. The all-white Ubosot, featuring statues of crocodiles was under 20cm-deep water, causing inconvenience to visitors. 

 

 

The Phichit authority said 11,476 households and 50,118 rai of farmland in eight districts were affected and 12 people had been killed in the recent floods.

 

In Mae Hong Song, provincial governor Suebsak Iamwichan led Red Cross Society officials to visit flood-affected hill-tribe people in Bang Huai Sua Thao in Tambon Pha Bong of Muang district yesterday. Officials brought 33 relief packages to flood victims, while the Red Cross Society said they would build three homes for those whose houses had completely collapsed and ensure that related agencies repaired those homes that had been partially ruined. 

 

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30330342

 

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[candide]

10 minutes ago, webfact said:

DUE TO THREE tropical storms and one tropical depression, cumulative rainfall so far this year this has been 1,798 millimetres – similar to the same period in 2011

The issue is not how much rain fell in one year. It is how much rain fell during the flood period. Obviously, during this critical period, it did not rain as much as in 2011 and the flood was not comparable.

[Bob12345]

Its a sad state of affairs when government officials need to toot their own horn as nobody else is willing to do it.

[lopburi3]

3 hours ago, candide said:

The issue is not how much rain fell in one year. It is how much rain fell during the flood period. Obviously, during this critical period, it did not rain as much as in 2011 and the flood was not comparable.

Obviously?  What I suspect is clear is that this year they did not start the critical period with full reservoirs and that a province was not allowed to block a natural water path to the sea.

[grumbleweed]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

NCPO claims flood-management win

If this what they call a "win",, I'd hate to be around for a loss

[robblok]

3 hours ago, candide said:

The issue is not how much rain fell in one year. It is how much rain fell during the flood period. Obviously, during this critical period, it did not rain as much as in 2011 and the flood was not comparable.

So we see that the junta who did open the dams before it was too late did a far better job then YL who kept the dams closed to save the rice and released the water at the worst possible moment. The junta has been releasing water for months now from the dams, that is obviously the strategy that works. YL only wanted to appease the farmers and sacrificed the whole country for it.

 

So even though this flooding was bad it could have been far worse with bad management.

[robblok]

1 minute ago, lopburi3 said:

Obviously?  What I suspect is clear is that this year they did not start the critical period with full reservoirs and that a province was not allowed to block a natural water path to the sea.

The junta was releasing water early on (people were not happy about it as it did cause some flooding). But a far greater disaster was averted. YL her minister kept it closed only thinking of the rice (rice program was already active then). Now we see the difference between real bad planning (YL) and better (but far from perfect) planning.

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, grumbleweed said:

If this what they call a "win",, I'd hate to be around for a loss

2011 was a loss.. i was there it was far worse flooded for months.

[YetAnother]

10 minutes ago, grumbleweed said:

If this what they call a "win",, I'd hate to be around for a loss

yes , a shame if they really believe this; Does confirm: whatever they say, believe the opposite

[Denim]

Well some things don't change.

 

Water retention areas = peoples homes and living rooms.

[Lupatria]

I’m sure members of 100.000 affected families in 16 provinces must be bubbling over with joy and celebrate this “win”.

[lvr181]

"NCPO claims flood-management win"

 

Oh, really?  The "ostriches' have spoken? 

[whaleboneman]

1 hour ago, Denim said:

Well some things don't change.

 

Water retention areas = peoples homes and living rooms.

Exactly! Let's see what their compensation will be.

[whaleboneman]

2 minutes ago, Lupatria said:

I’m sure members of 100.000 affected families in 16 provinces must be bubbling over with joy and celebrate this “win”.

I like your choice of words.

[lvr181]

3 minutes ago, whaleboneman said:

Exactly! Let's see what their compensation will be.

Nothing or very little. A feudal hierarchy relies on keeping the poor poor, but with some crumbs thrown to them from time to time, in order that they cannot access the 'resources' to challenge those who hold power.  600 years and very little has changed.

[chainarong]

[Media1]

Please tell me when to laugh

[robblok]

22 minutes ago, lvr181 said:

Nothing or very little. A feudal hierarchy relies on keeping the poor poor, but with some crumbs thrown to them from time to time, in order that they cannot access the 'resources' to challenge those who hold power.  600 years and very little has changed.

In 2011 we got 20.000   its not nothing but it was not much either. 

[pattayadon]

5555555555555....... YES! And I think I heard Trump say that everything is going great in Washington.    555   You can say anything you want, maybe "some" people will believe you!!!!!!    Hang on a second ....  can't stop laughing.  555   --People drowning in floods but it's a win.  Really?   C'mon now.

[DM07]

I give them an A+ for their efforts in Puerto Rico!

...wait a minute....!

[newcomer71]

ItIf they speak about Bangkok, maybe. But given the situation and in another 18 province I wouldn't brag so much, if I was in their shoes...

[janpharma]

"...a win..."; better call it a shame...

[andersonat]

2 hours ago, robblok said:

So we see that the junta who did open the dams before it was too late did a far better job then YL who kept the dams closed to save the rice and released the water at the worst possible moment. The junta has been releasing water for months now from the dams, that is obviously the strategy that works. YL only wanted to appease the farmers and sacrificed the whole country for it.

 

So even though this flooding was bad it could have been far worse with bad management.

 

The floods began in May 2011, when the reservoirs were already full.

Yingluck became Prime Minister in August.

 

 

 -  *Which* rice program was already active in May 2011 ?

 

 

[thaiguzzi]

2 hours ago, robblok said:

So we see that the junta who did open the dams before it was too late did a far better job then YL who kept the dams closed to save the rice and released the water at the worst possible moment. The junta has been releasing water for months now from the dams, that is obviously the strategy that works. YL only wanted to appease the farmers and sacrificed the whole country for it.

 

So even though this flooding was bad it could have been far worse with bad management.

Yep. The typical selfish BKK dweller's view.  We're alright Jack. Sod the peasants.

[robblok]

6 minutes ago, andersonat said:

 

The floods began in May 2011, when the reservoirs were already full.

Yingluck became Prime Minister in August.

 

 

 -  *Which* rice program was already active in May 2011 ?

 

 

The reservoirs were NOT full in may do show the graphs and when YL came to power the flooding was not happening she had time to release water but did not. Love to see full reservoirs in May as its one of the first months of the wet season.

[robblok]

7 minutes ago, thaiguzzi said:

Yep. The typical selfish BKK dweller's view.  We're alright Jack. Sod the peasants.

Really wel informed opinion.. just look at how many suffered during 2011 and how many suffer now while the amount of rain has been the same. The junta for all its faults handelend this far better as YL. Had she opened the dams earlier far less damage would have been done. I was flooded in 2011 so I have in dept knowledge of the whole disaster back then.

[robblok]

20 minutes ago, newcomer71 said:

ItIf they speak about Bangkok, maybe. But given the situation and in another 18 province I wouldn't brag so much, if I was in their shoes...

Compared how the other provinces were during 2011 (same amount of rain) it certainly is a win...  far from a perfect win as there is flooding but far less people are affected as in 2011 with the same amount of rain.

[andersonat]

10 minutes ago, robblok said:

The reservoirs were NOT full in may do show the graphs and when YL came to power the flooding was not happening she had time to release water but did not. Love to see full reservoirs in May as its one of the first months of the wet season.

 

From Wikipedia:-

 

Rainfall in March 2011 over the area of northern Thailand was an extraordinary 344% above the mean. Bhumibol Dam in particular received 242.8 mm of rain, well above the normal 25.2 mm. Since 1 January the dam had accumulated 245.9 mm, or 186% above normal.

Flooding timeline

With the monsoon season well underway in 2011, when noticeable rainfall started in May, major flooding began as Tropical Storm Nock-ten made its landfall in northern Vietnam, causing heavy precipitation in northern and northeastern Thailand and flash floods in many provinces from 31 July. Within one week thirteen had been reported dead, with ongoing flooding in the provinces of Chiang Mai, Lampang, Lamphun, Mae Hong Son, Nan, Phrae, and Uttaradit in the north, and Bung Kan, Nakhon Phanom, Nong Khai, Sakon Nakhon, and Udon Thani in the upper northeast. The upper-central provinces of Phichit, Phitsanulok, and Sukhothai were also flooded as the flooding spread down the overflowing Yom and Nan Rivers. Prachuap Khiri Khan on the gulf coast was also affected.

 

 

 

Edited October 30, 2017 by andersonat

[jenny2017]

 

            There's a similarity to the rainmaking project. 

[robblok]

1 minute ago, andersonat said:

 

From Wikipedia:-

 

Rainfall in March 2011 over the area of northern Thailand was an extraordinary 344% above the mean. Bhumibol Dam in particular received 242.8 mm of rain, well above the normal 25.2 mm. Since 1 January the dam had accumulated 245.9 mm, 216.0 mm or 186% above normal.^[10]

Flooding timeline

With the monsoon season well underway in 2011, when noticeable rainfall started in May, major flooding began as Tropical Storm Nock-ten made its landfall in northern Vietnam, causing heavy precipitation in northern and northeastern Thailand and flash floods in many provinces from 31 July. Within one week thirteen had been reported dead, with ongoing flooding in the provinces of Chiang Mai, Lampang, Lamphun, Mae Hong Son, Nan, Phrae, and Uttaradit in the north, and Bung Kan, Nakhon Phanom, Nong Khai, Sakon Nakhon, and Udon Thani in the upper northeast. The upper-central provinces of Phichit, Phitsanulok, and Sukhothai were also flooded as the flooding spread down the overflowing Yom and Nan Rivers. Prachuap Khiri Khan on the gulf coast was also affected.

 

 

 

So you prove my point the dams were NOT full in may it just had a bit of rain. Remember we just had a dry season so the dams could NEVER be full. It received 24 cm or rain.... wow.... that is nothing it rains that much certain days in BKK.

 

YL won the election 3 july  flash floods 31 july... but that was not the problem the problem was that she did not open the dams. I was there in 2011 I lived through the floods of 2011 was flooded for 1 1/2 month so I know what I am talking about.

 

Look at the red line graph in 2011 in may... I wonder how you can call tha tfull