Positive BREXIT - a thread ONLY for positive comments about Brexit

[Jip99]

Not sure how the Mods will feel about this one....

 

 

 

I am fed up to the back teeth with the constant bickering, name calling and insults on the Brexit threads...... (some of the Brexiteers are not much better at times :) )

 

There is no doubt that the subject of Brexit polarises people and there is ample evidence to show that the losing side have not accepted defeat graciously. In days gone by 'the loser' would have shrugged their shoulders and knuckled down in doing what they could to make the best of it for Britain. They would campaign for changes to any system/policies that they felt for unfair or could be bettered.. That is how democracy works.

 

 

Not these days.

 

At the first sign of defeat the losing side are bleating, crying foul, demanding recounts/second referendum and doing nothing to further the cause of the nation. Celebrities are made out of previous nobodies like Gina Miller etc, old fogies like Ken Clarke latch onto a final opportunity for a political swansong.

 

Those who voted Leave (the majority) cannot open their mouths without being accused of being intellectually inferior by Remoaners and being selfish for voting to leave.

 

 

I see it somewhat differently,  I voted selflessly to leave in the belief that it would provide a better long-term future for my children. I knew that I would suffer financially in the short-term as a result of exchange rate fears/speculation.

 

I didn't vote with any racism in my mind; I am someone who believes that immigration has, over the years, enriched the culture of the UK and provided much needed employment and variety of services. I love Europe, I am in no way anti-European - freedom of movement gave me many travel opportunities, and many others job opportunities and education advantages. There is no doubt that EEC/EU has been instrumental in forcing the UK down a more social path and influenced Health & Safety and employment rights.

 

I didn't believe that the NHS would benefit by 350m a week..... I did believe that the UK would have better control over it's budgets and could determine where it's money was spent.

 

I detest Tommy Robinson as much as I detest Jeremy Corbyn. I don't believe that all Muslims are terrorists, but I do think that all attrocities in the UK have been perpetrated by Muslims in the name of their religion - that issue needs addressing specifically. I think Nigel Farage has done a brilliant job in bringing Brexit to the fore and without him the excesses of the EU would not have been highlighted - but, I no more want him as Prime Minister than I do Theresa May.

 

What I detested was what the EU had become. A previous chummy club of 9 similar nations, grouping together for economic and security benefits had become an unyielding monster.

 

No, of course, it was not all bad - but it had become bad enough for me to no longer want to be a member of that club. The referendum gave me, and  17,410,741 others, the opportunity to vote to leave.

 

That we did - and won a democratic majority to do so. The government promised to be bound by the referendum and so it asserted "Brexit means Brexit".

 

 

There we are, we have embarked on the most momentous political exercise in living memory.

 

Unfortunately, instead of all parties now working together in the best interests of the country which they represent, or live in, we have this modern division and divisive attitude that says... "We lost, that is not fair , we are going to do all we can to scupper Brexit".... the same is happening in the USA - a president (like him or loathe him) is democratically elected and the losing side are doing all they can to undermine his position. No unity whatsoever - UK/USA. two great nations.......... bollorks..... 2 divided nations...

 

 

This attitude pervades the Thai Visa forums and have made contributions meaningless.

 

 

What this thread (if it survives) attempts to do is align like-minded pro-Brexit members to comment. discuss, debate, berate ...the issues, processes, the opportunities, the challenges without fear of someone saying.... your are wrong, you are uneducated, black is white blah blah blah. This  intended to have, albeit a fairly one-sided discussion from the same start point and same objectives.

 

Contributions from Remainers are not welcome unless they wish to make positive comments about Brexit.... there are plenty of threads where they can winge and whine and sing Kumbaya together.  I shall certainly report any such posts until Mods get bored with it. I fully expect a very small minority of Remainers to attempt to to sabotage this thread - I would be delighted if I am proved wrong.

 

 

I remain convinced that Brexit will happen and the eventual outcome for the UK will be very positive. There is a minefield (with additional mines being deployed daily) to go through before the finish line can be crossed.

 

There is a wide divergence between Brexiteers as a group..... those extreme right wingers who want borders closed, Muslims expelled and mosques knocked down - perhaps they want to build a Trump wall !!

 

I think that it would be interesting for pro-Brexiteers to have a discussion about how they would like to see the practicalities of Brexit working - without being shot down as a dumbass for not having the intellect to vote remain.

 

Personally, I would like to see much of freedom of movement retained - with a firm eye/hand on numbers, perhaps against a variable quota system. I want to see what people think about dealing with refugees - I am all for controlled humanitarianism, but I don't want to be dictated to on policy by Brussels or anywhere else.

 

Above all, I want to see how we fare with a fairly clean sheet of paper. I have always believed that is something is not working, or is cancerous, you cut it out and try and work with what you have - if necessary, start with a clean sheet and construct how you want things to be. The UK has voted to have the chance to do that - let's hope the politicians don't fork it up any more than they already have done.

Edited November 17, 2017 by Jip99

[brexiteer]

I am all for sensible debate without the vitriol and constant negativity.

 

 

I agree that everyone should be looking forward in a dynamic way to help make this work for Britain. 

 

Nothing against any specific COUNTRY in Europe but this is a case of Britain First...... not with right wing extremism, just looking after number one and crating pride and passion in the  country.. Then being a good European neighbour and trading partner.

[Here It Is]

I voted leave and I also won quite a lot of money by gambling on Brexit.  Couldn't believe the result when I woke up the following morning.

 

Anyway, and first things first, I'm not liking the way the EU are playing us and believe we should walk away with no deal, immediately.  That's my idea of a clean slate.  

[Here It Is]

Oh, and by the way, my Thai wife also voted for Brexit and, no, I didn't influence her as she has a mind of her own.

[ubonjoe]

This certainly a political topic that is not allowed on this forum.

There are many topics on the news forum where it can be discussed.

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