Arrested after 4 year overstay

[Karenjane]

1 week in monkey house 1 week in idc,

I bet that was nice... !

Sounds like a new idea for a package holiday Might even catch on....

My brother has just been arrested in Thailand for overstay of over four years and because he has outstanding warrent in the UK for drug charges. Where will he have been sent to, the Immigration detention centre? What is the procedeure for deportation when also wanted in the UK by police?

[lopburi3]

Am quite sure he will be in IDC Bangkok (which seems to be much better than most local jails) if arrested by Immigration Police in Bangkok. If in another city he may be in local Immigration Police custody until moved. Believe there will have to be legal proceedings (much faster than some places) and then he will be handed over to British Police representative for escort home. Believe you may want to contact the UK Embassy in Bangkok or authorities in the UK if you wish to be of help of kept informed and have no experience.

[dotcom]

I would really like some clarification as to who can be extradited. To the best of my knowledge people are extradited if they are wanted by another country & that country has reciprocal agreements with Thailand.

It seems here that if you are deemed a nogoodnik they just put you on a plane. If that plane holds police officals from your home country - too bad for you.

Warrants mean the police want to talk to you not that you have been convicted of a crime.

[taxexile]

overstay of over four years and because he has outstanding warrent in the UK for drug charges.

unbelievably stupid is as unbelievably stupid does

i'm sure that this 4 year overstaying druggist plonker will be only too happy to help the british police with their enquiries , and the thais will be only too happy to hand him over.

these lowrent crims are just the sort of dogsbodies that the thai authorities despise and will take great pleasure in throwing him out ( after , of course , he has been punished for the overstay and come up with his airfare ) with a certain amount of public fanfare i hope.

kudos to the police here.

pity though on his long suffering family members.

[tropo]

overstay of over four years and because he has outstanding warrent in the UK for drug charges.

unbelievably stupid is as unbelievably stupid does

i'm sure that this 4 year overstaying druggist plonker will be only too happy to help the british police with their enquiries , and the thais will be only too happy to hand him over.

these lowrent crims are just the sort of dogsbodies that the thai authorities despise and will take great pleasure in throwing him out ( after , of course , he has been punished for the overstay and come up with his airfare ) with a certain amount of public fanfare i hope.

kudos to the police here.

pity though on his long suffering family members.

You're being a bit harsh there mate.

You have no idea about his drug charges and they may just be minor. Maybe he has a bad habit and is dependant on certain drugs. I don't believe his sister went into any specifics that in any way indicated he's a major drug dealer.

You have no clue what's going on. His sister came on here for help, not for chastisement from the likes of you.

Edited January 14, 2007 by tropo

[taxexile]

You're being a bit harsh there mate.

you're quite right.

i take it all back.

i hope he is freed with a pat on the back to continue living here in contravention of the immigration laws , and that the long suffering british public will now be able to breathe a sigh of relief as yet another suspected criminal remains out of the reach of the authorities in the uk.

far too many suspected criminals are being arrested and charged these days , its just not right.

[whynot?]

You're being a bit harsh there mate.

you're quite right.

i take it all back.

i hope he is freed with a pat on the back to continue living here in contravention of the immigration laws , and that the long suffering british public will now be able to breathe a sigh of relief as yet another suspected criminal remains out of the reach of the authorities in the uk.

far too many suspected criminals are being arrested and charged these days , its just not right.

careful now-I think you dripped a sarcasm on yourself

[dr_Pat_Pong]

1 week in monkey house 1 week in idc,

I bet that was nice... !

Sounds like a new idea for a package holiday Might even catch on....

My brother has just been arrested in Thailand for overstay of over four years and because he has outstanding warrent in the UK for drug charges. Where will he have been sent to, the Immigration detention centre? What is the procedeure for deportation when also wanted in the UK by police?

He'll have to meet the cost of his airfare home and the 20,000 baht fine. Until he comes up with both he stays locked up. The Brits will see that it'll be a non stop flight and plod will be there to welcome him.

[JacknDanny]

Warrants mean the police want to talk to you not that you have been convicted of a crime.

That is not neccassarily true. He could have been convicted and released on bail pending reports.

Alternatively he could have already been charged and released on bail and then absconded failing to turn up at court

[JacknDanny]

overstay of over four years and because he has outstanding warrent in the UK for drug charges.

unbelievably stupid is as unbelievably stupid does

i'm sure that this 4 year overstaying druggist plonker will be only too happy to help the british police with their enquiries , and the thais will be only too happy to hand him over.

these lowrent crims are just the sort of dogsbodies that the thai authorities despise and will take great pleasure in throwing him out ( after , of course , he has been punished for the overstay and come up with his airfare ) with a certain amount of public fanfare i hope.

kudos to the police here.

pity though on his long suffering family members.

For what its worth taxexile, I totally agree with you. Unfortunately when you put forward a legitimate statement especially concerning druggies, then all these so called Liberals appear and try to make it as though like minded people as ourselves are the ones who are wrong.

Like you say maybe just abandon all laws and get involved in a lawless free for all

[hanuman1]

Unfortunately when you put forward a legitimate statement especially concerning druggies, then all these so called Liberals appear and try to make it as though like minded people as ourselves are the ones who are wrong.

No, you are not wrong. You're just bitter and vindictive, that's all.

[StateSix]

Warrants mean the police want to talk to you not that you have been convicted of a crime.

That is not neccassarily true. He could have been convicted and released on bail pending reports.

Alternatively he could have already been charged and released on bail and then absconded failing to turn up at court

You're both correct. Warrants are not issued just because the police 'want to talk to you', but it does not necessarily mean you have been convicted of a crime.

The most likely reason here is that he has been arrested, interviewed and bailed pending further investigations (ie obtaining statements from witnesses, checking out the suspects alibi or, in the case of drugs cases, awaiting the forensic services report on what the drug is). He will then have failed to turn up on the required date, thereby breaching his bail conditions. This is a very common occurence in the UK.

[JacknDanny]

Unfortunately when you put forward a legitimate statement especially concerning druggies, then all these so called Liberals appear and try to make it as though like minded people as ourselves are the ones who are wrong.

No, you are not wrong. You're just bitter and vindictive, that's all.

[Artfullmover]

If he pays the fine and can purchases his ticket there is nothing to say he must return to the UK all he has to do is leave Thailand. Provided provided he has a current passport with 6month validy he could go to any other country that gives a Visa on arrival and even possibly return to Thailand afterwards.

The only problem he could face is if the UK government got hold of his passport.This would force him to return to the UK as he will not be able to enter any other country. And Im sure that they can do it as it has been done by the Aussie embasy to someone I know. Once in thai custody ( Not for immigration offences) they requested that the passport be forwarded to there office and would not return it as he was wanted by the local and federal police back in Australia. There was no legal way he could leave Thailand and go elsewere except Australia.

You may want refrain from alerting the Uk authoritys if he has the finances to get out of his situation himself.

Edited January 14, 2007 by Artfullmover

[taxexile]

No, you are not wrong. You're just bitter and vindictive, that's all.

thanks to the antics of characters like the possible / alleged / suspected lowlife that this thread is about , (and others ), life for all law abiding foriegners in thailand is rapidly changing as the authorities impose stricter and tighter controls and conditions on us.

his selfish actions affect the rest of us , and not in a positive way.

if his drug offence was minor , then why didnt he show up at court , scared of a slap on the wrist was he ?

it seems pretty certain that he has avoided contact with the authorities here in thailand for so long because he is in quite some trouble in the uk.

bitterness and vindictiveness dont come into it at all. he is causing grief to his family , and expense to the thais in having to keep him and then expense to the uk in having to send someone out for him.

of course i could be completely wrong , and the original poster could be a troll.

[Maestro]

If he pays the fine and can purchases his ticket there is nothing to say he must return to the UK all he has to do is leave Thailand. Provided provided he has a current passport with 6month validy he could go to any other country that gives a Visa on arrival and even possibly return to Thailand afterwards.

Are you quite sure about that?

My brother has just been arrested in Thailand for overstay of over four years and because he has outstanding warrent in the UK for drug charges.

If he is held for extradition based on the UK arrest warrant, won’t the Thai authorities hold him until the extradition procedure is completed and then hand him over to the UK authorities?

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Maestro

[Artfullmover]

If he pays the fine and can purchases his ticket there is nothing to say he must return to the UK all he has to do is leave Thailand. Provided provided he has a current passport with 6month validy he could go to any other country that gives a Visa on arrival and even possibly return to Thailand afterwards.

Are you quite sure about that?

My brother has just been arrested in Thailand for overstay of over four years and because he has outstanding warrent in the UK for drug charges.

If he is held for extradition based on the UK arrest warrant, won’t the Thai authorities hold him until the extradition procedure is completed and then hand him over to the UK authorities?

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Maestro

Yes why not ??? you know any different???. Cant find anything in the rules that state any different. Anyway how could the Thai government possibly have a say on were a foriener was travel to outside Thailand unless it was following up on an order issued from the foriegner own Government but then they would be leave under the custody of that government. All the thai authoritys can do is make sure you leave Thailand.

Happy with that?

I was is assuming he was arrested and detained for an overstay and the warrant was purely a superficial comment. The Thai government will hold and deport a person on an extradition order but this would be unlikely in the case of outstanding warrant. If he was detained/arrested on a Extradition order there would be no misinterpritations about that would there. I concluded what the poster would have said would have been just that because there is no mistaking it if thats what he is being held for. That would be make the overstay a insignificant minor event as he would be leaving Thailand regardles of whether he could afford to pay the fines imposed for an overstay.

Edited January 14, 2007 by Artfullmover

[mrrpie]

If he is in the IDC for visa overstay, then he has no choice but to be deported back to his own country. If he doesn't want to go home, then he will be detained in IDC indefinately.....

[marshbags]

overstay of over four years and because he has outstanding warrent in the UK for drug charges.

unbelievably stupid is as unbelievably stupid does

i'm sure that this 4 year overstaying druggist plonker will be only too happy to help the british police with their enquiries , and the thais will be only too happy to hand him over.

these lowrent crims are just the sort of dogsbodies that the thai authorities despise and will take great pleasure in throwing him out ( after , of course , he has been punished for the overstay and come up with his airfare ) with a certain amount of public fanfare i hope.

kudos to the police here.

pity though on his long suffering family members.

For what its worth taxexile, I totally agree with you. Unfortunately when you put forward a legitimate statement especially concerning druggies, then all these so called Liberals appear and try to make it as though like minded people as ourselves are the ones who are wrong.

Like you say maybe just abandon all laws and get involved in a lawless free for all

Both posters along with myself and what must be millions world wide are more than aware of the effects on humanity and all the misery caused by these harmful drug substances.

Everytime some one makes a concerned effort to try educating "druggies " we are called all sorts of derogatory names.

Like the the posted remarks / statement by Hanuman1.

I,ll post it in it,s entirety so as to demonstrate what in effect is complete rubbish and a typical observation of recent times by as " JnD " correctly labels you accordingly.

Again most sensible people who have seen, experienced and witnessed the evil effects on others world wide.

Quote:-

hanuman1 Posted Today, 2007-01-14 12:18:58

QUOTE(JacknDanny @ 2007-01-14 12:09:19)

Unfortunately when you put forward a legitimate statement especially concerning druggies, then all these so called Liberals appear and try to make it as though like minded people as ourselves are the ones who are wrong.

No, you are not wrong. You're just bitter and vindictive, that's all.

Unquote.

This means we are right then and if so why the nasty references ??????????????????????

Are our observations so unreasonable to be classed, as you claim in your misguided way? sorry you do not make any sense at all.

NOW !!! this is for all you posters who think it,s cool, fashionable and " O.K. MAN " to partake ect., i hope you like it. ( All drug related threads by the way. )

Once again because Taxexile and JacknDanny live in the real world and refuse to become a part of your destructive / so called choice of freedom, you resort to trying to make it appear that you are right and statistics are wrong.

You seem to be living in a world of your own which is so far from reality it,s unbelievable and beyond rational thinking.

Taking drugs is not about giving users the right to destroy themselves, that is their foolish choice by he way.

If you wish to do so, it demonstrates your inability to see the true implications on it all and in doing so disqualifies you from being a part of a sane humanity.

You are also part of the evil trade by being party to the employment either directly or otherwise.

To read your comments in defence of " SENSIBLE "druggies and certain so called harmless substances is not shared by many and in effect is irresponsible.

The 2 cities i am associated with are systematically being destroyed by users and pushers alike.

( one by birth and the other i moved to due to my employment and set up home and my grown up children now live )

Perhaps we should get everyone to add to mine.................................................

( just from actual experience of the areas they are associated with )

and by doing so put you all in the wider picture, world wide and by doing so demonstrate that you do not hold the ground on reality and it,s the reverse of the actual implications you would have us all believe.

THIS IS THE REAL WORLD AND THE IMPLICATIONS OF IRRESPONSIBLE ATTITUDE ARE TRULY ANSWERABLE FOR MUCH OF THE MISERY, DEATH, DISTRUCTION OF SOCIETY ECT. ECT. ECT.

If you wish to show yourselves for what you are about, carry on by all means, and by doing so, continue trying to make it respectable to do drugs, no matter what they are.

Remember one thing though the majority of T.Visa members are not fools and your creditability ceases to exist.

In my case anyway, be it worth anything or otherwise, but i feel confident many others are taking note even though many choose not to get involved in the debates.

I don,t care who you are or what your station is on T.V. your card will be marked and your reputation will be in tatters where it rightly deserves to be.

You probably do not care because your state of mind is possibly being clouded and confused by your liberal actions, which ARE dangerously harmful to your health and more important here in Thailand, should you think it is harmless, against the LAW.

marshbags and ................

p.s.

The overstay situation speaks volumes for the mentality of the offender.....drug claims aside, and for me is not related, apart from the O.P. linking the 2 together.

Edited January 14, 2007 by marshbags

[jasreeve17]

Marshbags, you're correct in the fact that drugs are wrong and cannot / should not be condoned in any way.

But, that was quite a rant. About what?

People are insane, their card is marked, what are you talking about?

The only thing we know, or people commented on was that a guy was stupid enough to overstay for four years. The other comment from the poster about the guy having some connection with the UK police and the word drugs - just had too little information to have an idea on.

From a tiny bit of information you seem ready to crucify the guy and anybody that says the D word in a way you deem inappropriate. Scary.

[britmaveric]

overstay of over four years and because he has outstanding warrent in the UK for drug charges.

unbelievably stupid is as unbelievably stupid does

i'm sure that this 4 year overstaying druggist plonker will be only too happy to help the british police with their enquiries , and the thais will be only too happy to hand him over.

these lowrent crims are just the sort of dogsbodies that the thai authorities despise and will take great pleasure in throwing him out ( after , of course , he has been punished for the overstay and come up with his airfare ) with a certain amount of public fanfare i hope.

kudos to the police here.

pity though on his long suffering family members.

Tax - well said mate!!!

[whopper]

Overstay might be an alternative to some. Those punishments are not too bad considering all the BS you have to go through to stay here legally. Border runs, Visas, Renewals, Money in Bank, Letters,Checkins,plane tickets etc.

Im not interested, but to some it might be interesting.

[Maestro]

If he is held for extradition based on the UK arrest warrant, won’t the Thai authorities hold him until the extradition procedure is completed and then hand him over to the UK authorities?

Yes why not ??? you know any different???. Cant find anything in the rules that state any different. Anyway how could the Thai government possibly have a say on were a foriener was travel to outside Thailand...

I admit that my English is probably not half as good as yours.

Reading “My brother has just been arrested in Thailand...because he has outstanding warrant in the UK for drug charges” in the original post I assumed that an international arrest warrant was out for him and he would remain locked up until extradition proceedings are completed, then deported to the UK. However, I am quite happy for you and others to consider my assumption wrong. I have no personal experience in such matters, and I don’t care what the true situation is with this gentleman.

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Maestro

[Thaicoon]

1 week in monkey house 1 week in idc,

I bet that was nice... !

Sounds like a new idea for a package holiday Might even catch on....

My brother has just been arrested in Thailand for overstay of over four years and because he has outstanding warrent in the UK for drug charges. Where will he have been sent to, the Immigration detention centre? What is the procedeure for deportation when also wanted in the UK by police?

Hi there,

It has happened has it, i thought he was bullshitting, know the guy well, he had a good run, get in touch, you know me.

[Guest mascot]

Funny how no comment or clarification from the poster, TROLL??

[Artfullmover]

Reading “My brother has just been arrested in Thailand...because he has outstanding warrant in the UK for drug charges” in the original post I assumed that an international arrest warrant was out for him and he would remain locked up until extradition proceedings are completed, then deported to the UK. However, I am quite happy for you and others to consider my assumption wrong. I have no personal experience in such matters, and I don’t care what the true situation is with this gentleman.

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Maestro

You concede on your assumptions too quick Maesto. You might be 100% correct. Arriving at assumptions on what little information is given is what probally makes this forum work. They far outway the amount of factual responses. All I tried to convey was the reasoning behind my assumptions.

One thing Ive learnt about thailand is never assume to much. Many people have experience and expressed varying accounts on the dealings with thai authorities.

[marshbags]

Marshbags, you're correct in the fact that drugs are wrong and cannot / should not be condoned in any way.

But, that was quite a rant. About what?

People are insane, their card is marked, what are you talking about?

The only thing we know, or people commented on was that a guy was stupid enough to overstay for four years. The other comment from the poster about the guy having some connection with the UK police and the word drugs - just had too little information to have an idea on.

From a tiny bit of information you seem ready to crucify the guy and anybody that says the D word in a way you deem inappropriate. Scary.

Thanks for the reply and your comments are noted and as you did from my original post don,t read it as threatening, the word " noted "

If you re read the post it generalises all the recent " debates and i made a point of mentioning this.

The fact that this thread is in it,s infancy, debate wise and certain posters have already made it into a wider issue, i have voiced my opposition which again you can see references to in my post.

I am a bit peeved off at certain posters trying to trivalise the drug issue and in effect saying it,s o.k. to partake and wind everyone up and off topic.

( in every debate drug wise )

I hope i am not sounding condescending because I, 100%, am not intending it to be.

Regarding the marked card reference.

If you read the full context of what i,ve submitted.

Quote:-

If you wish to show yourselves for what you are about, carry on by all means, and by doing so, continue trying to make it respectable to do drugs, no matter what they are.

Remember one thing though the majority of T.Visa members are not fools and your creditability ceases to exist.

In my case anyway, be it worth anything or otherwise, but i feel confident many others are taking note even though many choose not to get involved in the debates.

I don,t care who you are or what your station is on T.V. your card will be marked and your reputation will be in tatters where it rightly deserves to be.

Unquote.

What it means in a factual way is exactly what i state, is that anyone who thinks it is wrong ect. like you and i

should question their judgement and failure to acknowledge the downside of taking drugs, be it on a small scale or otherwise.

Our comments will also be noted and our cards marked as people who stand against the involvement / taking of drugs, along with being the target of users who will respond accordingly.

I honestly believe you are positive about the downside and welcome your post.

If they do not mention the downside then surely what i consider irresponsible comments wil be taken on board and some members will possibly decide their creditability is being questioned as a result.

Please remember this is a personal view and has no bearing on what others may or may not think.

I did not join T.Visa to accomodate the veiws of members that i do not agree with and voice my opinion as i see it irrespective of who they are or their station is.

I refuse to accept any views that make drug use O.K. and free and fashionable from anybody, full stop.

My views can be clearly read on various drug related threads and i will as in this case voice them as early as possible in response to what i call negative posts and attempting to take ALL issues off track, should they be given a free ride to do so.

marshbags

P.S.

I also make a point of saying what the take is their choice but again i think they are unwise to say the least.

If they do " up to them " so long as it doesn,t effect others by their " freedom "

This is contrary to yourself and i for one appreciate your

[Thaicoon]

I know a lot about this guy, he is a hel_l of a nice guy, but got a bit of a past, we have had some good times togeather, it is a wonder they have not caught up with him before, as the Immigration Police used to drink at his bar, i was in there company one night, the one guy was a big friend his, i think they used to ride togeather.

Do not get me wrong guys, i feel for his sister and mother, he has been putting them through hel_l.

Edited January 14, 2007 by Thaicoon

[simon43]

i think they used to ride togeather.

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[tolsti]

The UK police would not issue an international arrest warrant, circulated through Interpol, for a ''simple'' drug offence such as possession for personal use etc.

If, and I stress IF an international warrant of arrest has been issued then it will be for a far more serious offence.

If it was believed that the person was indeed in Thailand ( close relatives going there quite often??) then a copy would have been lodged with the Royal Thai Police Interpol Office.

However, having been detained for an overstay (quite an overstay by any guage) the Thai officials will have automatically informed the UK Embassy and the Embassy officials may well have discovered through their own channels that there is an outstanding warrant for him in the UK. This could be for a various of reasons, failing to appear in court, failing to return to prison after leave etc....

The court may well also ordered that his passport should be surrendered to the court in which case he has no valid passport and the only way he can leave Thailand would be on a document issued by the embassy in lieu of a passport as you need to have an id document to leave as well as enter most countries.

The travel document is however a one way document and is normally valid solely to travel direct to the UK.