4 hours ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

Yes I'm for real.... She wasn't paying attention, as usual on the roads here !!

 

How can you say that by wathcing a video where you don't see any details and where everything is over in 2 or 3 seconds? 

 

- she might have looked to her left at that moment, just in case a wheel was coming from that side ...

- she might have been paralyzed by fear (something which can happen to the toughest guys as doctors will confirm)

- or, or, or ...

 

sitting in a room in front of a computer, being protected from flying wheels, is something different than having to make a decision within 1 or 2 seconds .....

She wanted to do a right turn or u turn and no helmet on. Very unfortunate. 

5 hours ago, daoyai said:

she is a victim of negligence, wheels don't just fly off ..... 

You are so right. Total negligence. Thais seldom check their vehicle and maintain them very badly - if at all.

The reporting on this death is good example of Thai attitude towards traffic safety (as pointed out in article last week where large percentage consider it karma, fate, luck... something beyond their control).

"When your number is up... it is up" No, this isn't waiting at immigration. So many mishaps here could be prevented. I won't use the word accident, unless you consider it "an accident waiting to happen".

4 hours ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

Yes I'm for real.... She wasn't paying attention, as usual on the roads here !!

It in no way takes responsibility away from the truck company, just an observation.

 

 

agree that many are not situationally aware but the tire came laterally from the oncoming lane with divider island. not such an easy thing to notice

12 minutes ago, shady86 said:

She wanted to do a right turn or u turn and no helmet on. Very unfortunate. 

 

 

that impact vector would have broken her neck with or without helmet

5 hours ago, cornishcarlos said:

She is also a victim of the Thai lack of looking ahead...

At no point did she seem to even notice a great big wheel heading in her direction !!

RIP but pay attention !!

Sorry, you should watch the video closer and think more.

7 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

 

that impact vector would have broken her neck with or without helmet

The tyre alone would have too!

Maybe, just maybe if she had been wearing a good helmet not the ice cream containers that are readily for sale, she may, just may have had a better chance of surviving....

Less than an hour ago I noticed a lorry with an underslung spare hanging precariously beneath the rear by a piece of rope. If he so much as brakes or turns too hard it'll rival anything designed by Sir Barnes Wallace when it comes loose...

Edited December 9, 20178 yr by evadgib

19 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

The tyre alone would have too!

  "impact vector" refers to the tire

Sadly one of the 60 people killed this day on Thai roads

Edited December 9, 20178 yr by jhonnie
Typo

Drivers Training, Lesson #1:   Get off the mentality that it is fate or as the title implies that your number is up!!!!  This was human failure. As previous posters pointed out, tires don't just come off.  Brakes don't just stop working overnight etc, etc!!  These are ALL very preventable accidents that should never had happened.   Conductors fault whether you like it or not!

the one problem I have with this article beside the driver of the truck is the head line" when your number is up, it's up" I think that is gross, and implies the thai belief in karma. 

6 hours ago, cornishcarlos said:

She is also a victim of the Thai lack of looking ahead...

At no point did she seem to even notice a great big wheel heading in her direction !!

RIP but pay attention !!

blabla...you seems to be Superman. I doubt, no human can react this unexpected situation.

35 minutes ago, fabphil said:

Maybe, just maybe if she had been wearing a good helmet not the ice cream containers that are readily for sale, she may, just may have had a better chance of surviving....

A helmet would not have saved her, helmets are tested and designed for impacts up to about 20kph, they are good for a fall to the road from bike seat height but not much else, hit something solid at over 30kph with your helmeted head or any other part of your body for that matter and the chances are you will receive a fatal injury. 

It wasn't a freak accident, it wasn't bad luck...

 

it it was cause and effect = negligence....

 

bad things happen for a reason and can clearly be explained....

 

As to avoidance, never will know unless you bring CSI in....that said, I counted today 5 motorcyclists having their phone in one hand either at a signal or a stop...what's happening inside all those tinted vehicles? Can't be seen, Thais are addicted to phones and driving not taken serious here adds up to a lack of focus and concentration on road conditions and driving...

13 minutes ago, tandor said:

..so how on earth was she supposed to take evasive action when the approaching wheel was obscured from her vision by bushes on the median strip..RIP young woman.

Yup, she probably didn't even see what hit her.

 

If she did she had maybe 1 or 2 seconds to realise what it was, determine what to do and then do it.

 

An F1 driver or Moto-GP rider may have had a chance, but an ordinary rider buzzing along minding her own business, no way in heaven or earth

 

At least she likely felt nothing, RIP young lady.

3 hours ago, crazygreg44 said:

i must agree with cornishcarlos to the point that I am indeed surprised that there wasn't a single flicker of reaction on her side, from when the wheel started rolling to when it was still on top of the center section, and a great part away . . so I was waiting  . . . waiting. . . . . for at least her rear brake light to light up . . . . but nothing . . . .

 

It all happened very fast . . . . 

 

I am riding motorcycles since I was 13 and I am often taken aback at the sights of apparent daydreaming  of motorcyclists on Thailand's roads.

 

When I go for a ride, my overall attention is everywhere from 5 yards towards 200 yards ahead . . to the right, to  the rear and to the left, and in Thailand, also to the above!  You could call that "scouting" and it is part of my defensive riding style

 

another part of my defensive riding style incorporates "always expect the unexpected". In Thailand this mostly means the sudden appearance of dogs, motorcycles cutting in your way from the behind or trucks coming from ahead suddenly swerving from their lane . . . I have already had my fair share of all of the above.  So the "expect the unexpected" actually has grown stronger over my years in riding Thai roads.

 

Thus said the accident is tragic and could have been avoided if the truck had undergone proper & regular maintenance. It was absolutely not her fault and there was little, very little she could have done. Even braking would have still kept her in the wheel's path.

 

Just wondering there was nilch, nada reaction, as in my case I was able to count to three after the wheel had come off . . . again . . . . . but . . . then probably the poster is right who said that her view was obscurred by the shrubs in the median. She didn't see the wheel coming until it was across the shrubs

 

There can't be any excuse and there's no way around it.  Rest in Peace, young lady

 

 

 

 

Although it it has nothing to do with this accident your sentence in italics referring to “ day dreaming” has I think provided the answer to something that has puzzled me for a long time

That is, why many Thais on motorcycles and bicycles turn out of side roads without looking.

I had put it down to many other reasons mostly derogatory but maybe you have provided the answer.

There is a chain of responsibility for the wheel comming off

The company

The mechanic who last serviced it if serviced regularly

The driver if he was the only driver of the truck or if he didn't do a visual safety inspection before he drove the vehicle. He should have been able to see loose wheel nuts. 

A tyre company if the wheel was put on by them 

There could be more responsible

But my bet is the driver

Such sad tragedy 

You can see by cars passing her she was slowing to make a u turn

No chance in hell could she or anyone avoided the wheel 

Rest in peace sweet one

6 hours ago, cornishcarlos said:

She is also a victim of the Thai lack of looking ahead...

At no point did she seem to even notice a great big wheel heading in her direction !!

RIP but pay attention !!

Like everyone is saying you are such a tool. Been riding for a long time, only way you’d have any chance avoiding that is if you happened to be monging across the road when it came off... which you wouldn’t be doing whilst being aware of your surroundings because you’re keeping a wide view of your surroundings dangers around you.. not looking at the opposite side of the road over an island for random loose bouncing wheels... negligence on the maintenance..  quite unlucky on the  bounce Sent it right on her head to snapp the neck on impact Lower or higher may have had a chance of survival. Western countries have too many regulations to line pockets.. Thais don’t have enough.

An offensive post has been removed as well as the replies. 

As a UK Coach driver I can say that the start of day check and walk round vehicle check includes tyres and nuts. Not in LOS obviously. As an active motorcyclist I would say that the faster the rate of travel the more difficult it is to alter your path other than to brake. Sorry to say she had little chance.

7 hours ago, rooster59 said:

 

Thai media reported on what they called the most bad luck imaginable

 

7 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Manager described the accident as an example of terrible misfortune that was scarcely believable.

What a truly sad event, amongst many each day.

 

yes... the most bad luck imaginable.... for her

 

yes.... an example of terrible misfortune.... for her

 

that said, using this type of wording to describe an accident likely caused by negligence on the drivers/owners/mechanics part, is disturbing, as it perpetuates the already common belief that “fate” is what gets you back home each evening (or not), and that this type of thing is unavoidable.

 

these stories should viciously attack the root cause of accidents, to help educate people to the fact that these types of events are avoidable, rather than an act of god ( what a pr**k he must be)

 

Holding all parties responsible for the loose wheel (and recognizing their culpability)  would be a positive step forward for the country

 

and... bickering about the girls lack of response to the hazard... really?

 

you judgemental chaps are looking at a video of the event, after reading a headline about what you are about to see... perhaps if the poor girl had that insight, she may have survived.... but thats called hindsight, which we all know to be 20/20... a pathetic path to follow, belittling the victim, and throwing partial culpability onto the victim

Edited December 9, 20178 yr by farcanell

Reason #367 of Why You Might Still Be Alive Today If You Weren't Riding A Danger Machine ?

7 hours ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

Yes I'm for real.... She wasn't paying attention, as usual on the roads here !!

It in no way takes responsibility away from the truck company, just an observation.

No, you aren't for real.  If that was you on the bike you would be just as dead.   By the time clock on the screen she had less than 3 seconds to react to a totally unexpected, extremely rare road experience.  I imagine the first second or two was a very human reaction of total disbelief and shock. Basically, what???   And, after that any possible response would have been too late. It all happened just too fast.  But, if it makes you feel good to believe that you would have reacted with superhuman lightening fast reflexes, continue to dream on.

RIP poor soul.

Wrong time, wrong place.

Oh dear! This poor lady did not even have the time to feel the pain. RIP.

 

 

This poor girl had absolutely no time to react except to start to steer away, but then how would she be able to project the trajectory of that bouncing tire?  R.I.P. to her and condolences to her family.

 

One of the worst accident that I ever witnessed in my 35 years of bus driving was on the Penna Turnpike where an eastbound truck lost a wheel similarly, it bounced into the windshield of a westbound tractor-trailer, killed the driver, and the truck crossed the median strip and hit an eastbound truck head on which was loaded with jeeps, jeep engines and assorted parts which were scattered all over the roadways.

“The driver had fled”

just another example of the gutless mentality of the average Thai truck (van) driver.