Non Immigrant O....Dumb question

[uncleeagle]

So I got a non immigrant o now, nice big stamp in my passport. It says non immigrant o and has a start date and an end date, start date wss date of issue and end date is 90 days later.

 

But I wont be going for another month, can i assume i will be given 90 days from when i arrive? i cant see anywhere on the actual stamp that says 90 days. I asked at the consulate he said 90 days from date of arrival as long as i arrive before end date shown on stamp.

 

Is that correct and can i rely on being given 90 days once i arrive as swampy?

 

Thanks

[tgeezer]

Yes.


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[overherebc]

Yes.

And if you decide to go to Vietnam or whatever during those 90 days then you can get a re-entry permit to keep those 90 still alive.

PS.

When you get your passport stamped at the airport check before you leave the desk that you have 90 days stamped.

It has happened when busy the IO has stamped 30.

Make sure you write the visa number on the arrival card.

[glegolo]

As said YES, you will get 90 days as long as you arrive before end date in your VISA

 

glegolo

[uncleeagle]

thanks guys, one less thing to be paranoid about now

[overherebc]

20 minutes ago, uncleeagle said:

thanks guys, one less thing to be paranoid about now

The 90 will seem like 89 when they stamp it because they count in the day you arrive even if it's 11pm.

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[anfh]

To try and alleviate the confusion, the visa you have in your passport has a start and end date. This is 90 days this means your vis is valid for this 90 days, you must arrive in Thailand some time between these dates, you can wait to arrive up until midnight on the last date listed.

 

once you arrive in Thailand you will then be allowed to stay in Thailand for 90 days from your arrival ( you can extend this at an immigration office if you wish )

 

 

[dpdp]

18 hours ago, overherebc said:

Yes.

And if you decide to go to Vietnam or whatever during those 90 days then you can get a re-entry permit to keep those 90 still alive.

PS.

When you get your passport stamped at the airport check before you leave the desk that you have 90 days stamped.

It has happened when busy the IO has stamped 30.

Make sure you write the visa number on the arrival card.

 

Only people who are not smart enough to get a multiple entry visa need a reentry permit.

Other people just leave and come back as much as they want during 1 year.

 

 

[overherebc]

38 minutes ago, dpdp said:

 

Only people who are not smart enough to get a multiple entry visa need a reentry permit.

Other people just leave and come back as much as they want during 1 year.

 

 

Don't understand your post.

You say end day is 90 day after issue day so that means one entry of 90 days only. If you leave and come back without a re-entry permit during those 90 days you will only get 30 days visa exempt. 

It certainly won't last a year.

If you have a multi entry O why would you need a re-entry permit?

[uncleeagle]

30 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Don't understand your post.

You say end day is 90 day after issue day so that means one entry of 90 days only. If you leave and come back without a re-entry permit during those 90 days you will only get 30 days visa exempt. 

It certainly won't last a year.

If you have a multi entry O why would you need a re-entry permit?

actually in penang where i applied a multiple entry was not an option so its not really a question of being smart, its a question of where you apply.

 

once in thailand my plan is to apply for a one year extension. but at any point either on the current o visa or the one year extension i assume a reentry permit can be obtained and the existing visa expiry pushed out each time a trip out is made and the expiry date recalculated. not sure how the IO actually work it out, do they have to look at the previous expiry date and extend by the number of days spent outside after obtaining the reentry permit? seems like a process that is bound to go wrong but we shall see.

[overherebc]

32 minutes ago, uncleeagle said:

actually in penang where i applied a multiple entry was not an option so its not really a question of being smart, its a question of where you apply.

 

once in thailand my plan is to apply for a one year extension. but at any point either on the current o visa or the one year extension i assume a reentry permit can be obtained and the existing visa expiry pushed out each time a trip out is made and the expiry date recalculated. not sure how the IO actually work it out, do they have to look at the previous expiry date and extend by the number of days spent outside after obtaining the reentry permit? seems like a process that is bound to go wrong but we shall see.

Once you convert to a one year extension the visa is gone.

You then do 90 day reports to Immigration.

If you want to leave Thailand while on an extension of stay and you don't get a re-entry permit when you arrive back you will get 30 visa exempt and your extension of stay has gone as well. You then have to start all over again. 

If you are going to be travelling you can get a multi re-entry permit for 3800 baht at the time you convert your visa to an extension of stay.

If you get the re-entry permit, when you arrive back in Thailand you will get 90 days permission to stay on your extension of stay.

That also means from the day you come back you have reset your 90 day report date at Imm' in Thailand.

[overherebc]

2 hours ago, dpdp said:

 

Only people who are not smart enough to get a multiple entry visa need a reentry permit.

Other people just leave and come back as much as they want during 1 year.

 

 

Only people who can't meet the requirements don't get a multi entry visa..

Getting a re-entry permit probably even you could do it.

You probably call everything a visa as well which is totally wrong.

[4MyEgo]

3 hours ago, dpdp said:

 

Only people who are not smart enough to get a multiple entry visa need a reentry permit.

Other people just leave and come back as much as they want during 1 year.

 

 

Why pay for something if your not going to use, the multiple entry costs 3800 baht last time I checked, I get a year for 1900 baht, and if I need to go out, I pay 1900 baht for a re-entry permit, now that's what I call smart 555

[JackThompson]

5 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Why pay for something if your not going to use, the multiple entry costs 3800 baht last time I checked, I get a year for 1900 baht, and if I need to go out, I pay 1900 baht for a re-entry permit, now that's what I call smart 555

You should only be paying 1000 Baht for a single re-entry permit (or 1200 at the airport, with pics included).

[overherebc]

9 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Why pay for something if your not going to use, the multiple entry costs 3800 baht last time I checked, I get a year for 1900 baht, and if I need to go out, I pay 1900 baht for a re-entry permit, now that's what I call smart 555

All depends how often you travel but yes to above. 

[4MyEgo]

21 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

You should only be paying 1000 Baht for a single re-entry permit (or 1200 at the airport, with pics included).

Thanks for the correction, your correct, only been out twice in a year at 1,000 baht per time, plus the 1,900 baht renewal and it worked out to be the same cost wise, suffice to say if your going out more than twice a year your better off getting a multiple re-entry permit

[glegolo]

8 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Thanks for the correction, your correct, only been out twice in a year at 1,000 baht per time, plus the 1,900 baht renewal and it worked out to be the same cost wise, suffice to say if your going out more than twice a year your better off getting a multiple re-entry permit

You seemes to have a hard time with the numbers.. Guess it needs to be corrected also here.

 

You can go out of Thailand 3 times a year a´1.000 baht and still be on the dark side, as the multi entry re entry permit costs 3.800 baht... So NOT 2 times.... but 3 times...

 

glegolo

[uncleeagle]

when you leave on a reentry permit how does the IO determine the new visa expiry date?

[dpdp]

4 hours ago, uncleeagle said:

actually in penang where i applied a multiple entry was not an option so its not really a question of being smart, its a question of where you apply.

 

once in thailand my plan is to apply for a one year extension. but at any point either on the current o visa or the one year extension i assume a reentry permit can be obtained and the existing visa expiry pushed out each time a trip out is made and the expiry date recalculated. not sure how the IO actually work it out, do they have to look at the previous expiry date and extend by the number of days spent outside after obtaining the reentry permit? seems like a process that is bound to go wrong but we shall see.

 

where you apply also seems a question of being smart or not...

 

 

[overherebc]

21 minutes ago, uncleeagle said:

when you leave on a reentry permit how does the IO determine the new visa expiry date?

Seriously it's not a visa. It's an extension of stay.

As far as I'm aware the day you re-enter, using the re-entry permit he should stamp for 90 days meaning your next report to Imm' is 90 days after you re-enter.

When you convert to an extension you should get a stamp similar to the photo I'm loading. You'll notice it doesn't have the word 'visa' anywhere.

[JackThompson]

2 hours ago, uncleeagle said:

when you leave on a reentry permit how does the IO determine the new visa expiry date?

A re-entry permit maintains the same "permitted stay" date you had before, when you return. 

So if your permitted-stay was until March, 20 2018 - you get a re-entry permit - leave Thailand Feb 3 - return March 15 - your "permitted stay" date stamped on entry remains March 20, 2018.

[overherebc]

7 hours ago, JackThompson said:

A re-entry permit maintains the same "permitted stay" date you had before, when you return. 

So if your permitted-stay was until March, 20 2018 - you get a re-entry permit - leave Thailand Feb 3 - return March 15 - your "permitted stay" date stamped on entry remains March 20, 2018.

For a single entry 'visa'.

[JackThompson]

43 minutes ago, overherebc said:

8 hours ago, JackThompson said:

A re-entry permit maintains the same "permitted stay" date you had before, when you return. 

So if your permitted-stay was until March, 20 2018 - you get a re-entry permit - leave Thailand Feb 3 - return March 15 - your "permitted stay" date stamped on entry remains March 20, 2018.

For a single entry 'visa'.

Well, yes, there is the whole confusion about things, because of the difference between a "Visa" and an "Entry Type" and "Permitted Stay Date" and an "Extension of Stay."  

The key to folks understanding re-entry permits, is de-linking them to anything except the "Permitted Stay Date" - since that is the only part of the system they affect.

 

I cannot really blame people for being confused - though their confusion can be contagious if not corrected.  The image you posted is a perfect example: They give you an "extension" for a year, then must warn you that there is a trick/trap in the system to shaft you, if you leave the country without some taking some other superfluous step.  Adding more stamp-ink warnings is considered the "solution" to people falling into the trap, rather than fixing the system to remove the trap.  It's like putting a sign next to a pot-hole in the road, instead of filling the pot-hole.  Then, when people fall in, anyway, you make the sign larger.

 

Putting "visas" in people's passports, like Cambodia does, when you apply in-country to stay there, makes much more sense, intuitively.  It's a big sticker with a date which means "get out by this date or get a new 'visa' to stay longer."  Everyone understands this.  And if the "visa" is 6-mo or longer, its automatically ME - so no "extra step" to not accidentally "break" it, for longer-staying visitors.  But even in the worst-case, actual "Visas" of various types are available VOA, so an easy-fix if something runs out while you are gone.

[overherebc]

16 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

Well, yes, there is the whole confusion about things, because of the difference between a "Visa" and an "Entry Type" and "Permitted Stay Date" and an "Extension of Stay."  

The key to folks understanding re-entry permits, is de-linking them to anything except the "Permitted Stay Date" - since that is the only part of the system they affect.

 

I cannot really blame people for being confused - though their confusion can be contagious if not corrected.  The image you posted is a perfect example: They give you an "extension" for a year, then must warn you that there is a trick/trap in the system to shaft you, if you leave the country without some taking some other superfluous step.  Adding more stamp-ink warnings is considered the "solution" to people falling into the trap, rather than fixing the system to remove the trap.  It's like putting a sign next to a pot-hole in the road, instead of filling the pot-hole.  Then, when people fall in, anyway, you make the sign larger.

 

Putting "visas" in people's passports, like Cambodia does, when you apply in-country to stay there, makes much more sense, intuitively.  It's a big sticker with a date which means "get out by this date or get a new 'visa' to stay longer."  Everyone understands this.  And if the "visa" is 6-mo or longer, its automatically ME - so no "extra step" to not accidentally "break" it, for longer-staying visitors.  But even in the worst-case, actual "Visas" of various types are available VOA, so an easy-fix if something runs out while you are gone.

Can't really disagree, it can be very confusing for those starting out on the marraige/work/retirement process.

What doesn't help is the habit of IO's calling an extension a one year visa as well.

Maybe someday it will all be simplified.