U.S. Republicans, Democrats joust over 'Dreamer' immigration effort

[rooster59]

U.S. Republicans, Democrats joust over 'Dreamer' immigration effort

By Susan Heavey

 

FILE PHOTO: 'Dreamers' react as they meet with relatives during the 'Keep Our Dream Alive' binational meeting at a new section of the border wall on the U.S.-Mexico border in Sunland Park, U.S., December 10, 2017. REUTERS/Jose Luis Gonzalez/File Photo

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Congressional Republicans on Friday downplayed the likelihood of a deal soon with Democrats on saving 700,000 young, undocumented U.S. immigrants from being kicked out of the country in March, a possibility created by President Donald Trump.

 

Trump in September ordered an Obama-era programme that provided the young "Dreamer" immigrants with work permits and prevented them from being deported to end in six months. The programme is known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA.

 

Despite his order, the Republican president has vacillated in his view of the Dreamers, young people who were brought to the United States as children illegally. Raised and educated in the country, most of them have little or no experience of their parents' homelands in Latin America, Asia, Africa and elsewhere.

 

Saving the Dreamers from deportation is a high priority for Democrats, but the issue has been swept up in other debates, including one on the wall that Trump wants to build along the U.S.-Mexico border.

 

Republican Senator John Cornyn, in a tweet on Friday, accused Democrats of trying to force a deal on Dreamers by doing a "slow walk" on efforts to approve critical disaster aid and defence spending.

 

Two other Republicans late on Thursday said the sides remained far apart. "Our discussions on border security and enforcement with Democrats are much further apart, and that is key to getting a bipartisan deal on DACA," senators Thom Tillis and James Lankford said in a statement.

 

Democrats have said they are open to tying DACA to additional funding for border security technology. But they oppose Trump's wall, which government estimates have said could cost over $21 billion.

 

Republican lawmakers met with Trump at the White House on Thursday and initially emerged saying they were optimistic that they could find a legislative fix for DACA.

 

At the meeting, a Department of Homeland Security document was discussed detailing the Trump administration's budget proposal seeking $18 billion to build hundreds of miles of border barriers over a decade, an aide to one of the participants said.

 

House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi said in a letter to Democratic colleagues that the document, first reported in the Wall Street Journal, was "alarming."

 

The struggle over the Dreamers carries political weight for both parties heading into the November 2018 midterm congressional elections. Most of the Dreamers came from Mexico and Hispanics tend to vote for Democrats.

 

On Friday and Saturday, Trump and senior Republican congressional leaders are expected to discuss the issue at Camp David, the U.S. president's mountain retreat in Maryland.

 

A meeting between Trump and leaders of both parties was set for Tuesday.

 

Cornyn, in an interview on Fox News on Friday, said Trump would demand that an immigration deal address the visa lottery system and chain migration that unites family members.

 

"Those are things that he's insisted upon," and Democrats would have to embrace them along with border security, said Cornyn.

 

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-01-06

 

[meinphuket]

Repatriate all illegals, at whatever cost.... it IS politically correct, if not you encourage others to become illegal immigrants, and who can then claim the same privilege.

[Ulic]

Of course, the middle ground is to give Trump the money for his wall and he/the Republican party will pass legislation that allows the dreamers to stay.  Neither side will be happy, but this is a compromise. 

 

 

 

 

[jackh]

Americans voted Trump in for this most important reason. They should all be deported without hesitation, along with their entire family. They are criminals...period. If they are so intent in remaining in the US then do it legally. No other country in the world has put up with this BS. Only liberal communist Dems allowed this for the purpose of adding to their voter base.

 

It's not working anymore. Trump needs to stand strong with over 70% of American people who are all against DACA, amnesty, chain migration and all the illegal migrants that infest the USA. Anything less and the US will become another UK or Germany.

 

Don't forget the USA now has the diseases we eradicated years  ago back to where we started thanks to these illegals. Don't need to talk about the crime, we all know whats going on with that.

 

 

[Ron19]

Two flame posts have been removed.

 

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, jackh said:

Americans voted Trump in for this most important reason. They should all be deported without hesitation, along with their entire family. They are criminals...period. If they are so intent in remaining in the US then do it legally. No other country in the world has put up with this BS. Only liberal communist Dems allowed this for the purpose of adding to their voter base.

 

It's not working anymore. Trump needs to stand strong with over 70% of American people who are all against DACA, amnesty, chain migration and all the illegal migrants that infest the USA. Anything less and the US will become another UK or Germany.

 

Don't forget the USA now has the diseases we eradicated years  ago back to where we started thanks to these illegals. Don't need to talk about the crime, we all know whats going on with that.

 

 

The vast majority of Americans SUPPORT the dreamers goal to stay in the only country they know, the USA. 

[KarenBravo]

81% of Americans support the Dreamers.

66% of Trump supporters support Dreamers.

 

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2017/09/13/two-thirds-of-trump-supporters-want-dreamers-to-stay-in-u-s/

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-back-daca-huge-margin-poll/story?id=50032985

[jackh]

21 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The vast majority of Americans SUPPORT the dreamers goal to stay in the only country they know, the USA. 

Completely and whole heartily disagree. Majority DO want them gone. Get to know another country better sooner than later. They are not wanted in the USA. Period. 

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, jackh said:

Completely and whole heartily disagree. Majority DO want them gone. Get to know another country better sooner than later. They are not wanted in the USA. Period. 

The facts are not on your side on this so your disagreement is as irrelevant as if you were asserting the earth is flat. In FACT, it's not even close, not even debatable, so why do insist on posting blatant falsehoods? Hmm?  You can have your own opinions. You can't have your alternative reality. That seems to be what trumpism is all about and the decent people of the USA are fighting back.

 

 

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OCTOBER 11, 2017  WASHINGTON —Only 1 in 5 Americans want to deport young immigrants brought to the United States as children and now here illegally, the focus of a politically fraught debate between the White House and Congress.

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2017/1011/Majority-of-Americans-support-Dreamers-staying-in-the-US-poll-says

[EVENKEEL]

The Border has to be secured first, then we can deal with the Illegals. Giving in to illegals with any pathway to citizenship or legal residency is a slap in the face to all those who migrated to America the legal way.

[isaanbanhou]

7 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

The Border has to be secured first, then we can deal with the Illegals. Giving in to illegals with any pathway to citizenship or legal residency is a slap in the face to all those who migrated to America the legal way.

And every American that uses illegal aliens to cut their lawn, wash their car or bus their tables is urinating on the American flag.  You can t have it both ways, cheap labour or secure border.

[KMartinHandyman]

It’s interesting how expats living in a certain southeast Asian country give full support to the draconian immigration procedures and 100% enforcement of immediately expelling and or incarcerating along with bans on re-entry for overstayers yet advocate the United States should make some type of exceptions for people who are found to be in the country without proper “permission to stay”, ie: visa or green card.
I guess “Guests in their country, their rules” doesn’t always apply.

[UncleTouchyFingers]

 

5 hours ago, isaanbanhou said:

And every American that uses illegal aliens to cut their lawn, wash their car or bus their tables is urinating on the American flag.

 

Im as conservative as it gets but this is some racist stuff right here. 

 

Edit:

And ill bet you cant even see it. 

Edited January 8, 2018 by UncleTouchyFingers

[UncleTouchyFingers]

9 minutes ago, KMartinHandyman said:

It’s interesting how expats living in a certain southeast Asian country give full support to the draconian immigration procedures and 100% enforcement of immediately expelling and or incarcerating along with bans on re-entry for overstayers yet advocate the United States should make some type of exceptions for people who are found to be in the country without proper “permission to stay”, ie: visa or green card.
I guess “Guests in their country, their rules” doesn’t always apply.

 

Yep, thats called hypocrisy. 

 

Thats called alot of things really, but it the basic premise of the liberal left. 

 

Along with this little gem:

 

On 1/6/2018 at 5:40 AM, rooster59 said:

Most of the Dreamers came from Mexico and Hispanics tend to vote for Democrats.

 

Democrat vote buying while calling everyone who disagrees a racist alt-right nazi. 

 

Nobody does hypocrisy like a Democrat/liberal. 

[mrwebb8825]

I would really love to see the US get as strict as Thailand. The biggest advantage Thailand has over the US is that they're easier to spot here. If you aren't Thai, 99.9999999% of the time you're also not a citizen.

[Jingthing]

14 minutes ago, mrwebb8825 said:

I would really love to see the US get as strict as Thailand. The biggest advantage Thailand has over the US is that they're easier to spot here. If you aren't Thai, 99.9999999% of the time you're also not a citizen.

Thailand isn't a nation of immigrants.

The USA is.

How do you think the USA ever became a world power in the first place? Xenophobia?

[samran]

1 hour ago, mrwebb8825 said:

I would really love to see the US get as strict as Thailand. The biggest advantage Thailand has over the US is that they're easier to spot here. If you aren't Thai, 99.9999999% of the time you're also not a citizen.

If Thailand was as strict as the US, none of you fellas would be here. Certainly no such visa in the US where you can chuck a pittance in the bank and be given a visa to stay.

 

On the topic of 'illegals'. Thailand offers special work permits for people from neighboring countries to work here, so that they don't have to remain illegal. How do you reckon the multitude of Lao, Burmese and Cambodians work here?

 

It wouldn't be hard for the 'Greatest Nation on Earth (TM)' to do the same thing. But you won't.

 

Better that this issue be a political stick on which to bash your opponent with.

[UncleTouchyFingers]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Absurd. If you don't agree with trumpism, then you want totally open borders. Try that silliness out on someone else. I ain't playing.

Lots of countries have capitalism, dude. Most actually. 

 

Oh ok I guess you're playing the rewriting history game then. A tactic favored by the good ole honest liberals. 

 

Anyway, I would grant citizenship to the best dreamers, end the program, end every loophole for illegals, sanctuary cities, and any incentive given to illegals. Tear the bandaid off and be done with it. Millions and Millions of Americans need help, and thats where the priority should lie.

[Jingthing]

Just now, Coconutman said:

Yes i agree most americans do support the daca act.. 700,000 will be cut down to 200,000 if rhe rules are followed. Such as no criminal history.

Are you including parking tickets? 

[ilostmypassword]

1 hour ago, Coconutman said:

Yes i agree most americans do support the daca act.. 700,000 will be cut down to 200,000 if rhe rules are followed. Such as no criminal history.

Another falsehood from the extreme right:

Only 2,139 out of almost 800,000 DACA recipients have lost their permits because of criminal or public safety concerns — that’s just a quarter of 1 percent. Four times as many U.S.-born Americans are in prison. About 35 times as many Americans have ended up behind bars at some point before age 34.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths/five-myths-about-daca/2017/09/07/e444675a-930c-11e7-8754-d478688d23b4_story.html?utm_term=.660b94aa5c03

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies removed.  

[Berkshire]

On 1/7/2018 at 1:42 PM, jackh said:

Completely and whole heartily disagree. Majority DO want them gone. Get to know another country better sooner than later. They are not wanted in the USA. Period. 

Man, you've been caught fibbing more than a few times.  Have you no shame??!!

[Coconutman]

20 hours ago, ilostmypassword said:

Apparently you care enough to lie about it. 

Go to the bop website

[ilostmypassword]

26 minutes ago, Coconutman said:

Go to the bop website

And is there a page there for people covered by DACA? Please, you lied, you got caught, and now you're trying to wriggle your way out with irrelevant statistics,

[riclag]

On 1/6/2018 at 2:08 PM, jackh said:

 

It's not working anymore. Trump needs to stand strong with over 70% of American people who are all against DACA, amnesty, chain migration and all the illegal migrants that infest the USA. Anything less and the US will become another UK or Germany.

Where did you come up with that,70%? Google Daca polls

[riclag]

On 1/8/2018 at 2:49 AM, EVENKEEL said:

The Border has to be secured first, then we can deal with the Illegals. Giving in to illegals with any pathway to citizenship or legal residency is a slap in the face to all those who migrated to America the legal way.

Yup. The dreamer's that are registered as of ,choose a date ,last year.Can have a path and only them.They also must be contributing and have skills ,not be a burden on welfare.

[ilostmypassword]

On 1/6/2018 at 2:08 PM, jackh said:

 

 

It's not working anymore. Trump needs to stand strong with over 70% of American people who are all against DACA, amnesty, chain migration and all the illegal migrants that infest the USA. Anything less and the US will become another UK or Germany.

 

 

 

 

Read it and weep:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/28/fox-news-poll-83-percent-support-pathway-to-citizenship-for-illegal-immigrants.html

 

[wabothai]

On 1/7/2018 at 7:42 AM, jackh said:

Completely and whole heartily disagree. Majority DO want them gone. Get to know another country better sooner than later. They are not wanted in the USA. Period. 

come with figures, if not keep your trap shut.

[lannarebirth]

On 1/5/2018 at 9:40 PM, Ulic said:

Of course, the middle ground is to give Trump the money for his wall and he/the Republican party will pass legislation that allows the dreamers to stay.  Neither side will be happy, but this is a compromise. 

 

 

 

 

 

Speaking of middle ground. A funny comment I read at another site regarding this topic:

 

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Trump will do Year Two of his presidency as a Liberal, to see if he can get better ratings than he did in Year One as a Conservative.
It's all about the ratings, folks.

 

[mrwebb8825]

And now, once again we have a dem appointed judge thinking he can make federal policy. What a freaking joke the judicial system has become.