Dumbastheycome Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 8 hours ago, HHTel said: Definately been done before and not just once. Always polite and friendly. I'll try to find relevance for you. If you ask the police at immigration, they will tell you the same. Personally only once. As you say polite and friendly even to the point of being apologetic. It is the inevitable trauma that the occasion elicits that leads to the vitriolic criticism of what is actually a valid process regardless of whoever insists on it or the true intent of it. If there is any real objections it should be directed at those who defy the conditions of presence which leads o such events rather than the legitimate attempts to discover the defiants who believe either they have some superior right other than to pay the way. I prefer to stay legitimate to the conditions. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbothaivisa Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 On 2/8/2018 at 6:01 PM, theoldgit said: Your departure is recorded by your carrier and the details passed onto the UKBA. What use is that?https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/key-topics/illegal-immigration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbothaivisa Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 On 2/8/2018 at 4:10 PM, Bluespunk said: Rough number in this case equaling a guess based on nothing? https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/key-topics/illegal-immigration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, timbothaivisa said: https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/key-topics/illegal-immigration http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/06/13/buried-in-a-migration-watch-report-the-truth-about-immigrati Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbothaivisa Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 10 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/06/13/buried-in-a-migration-watch-report-the-truth-about-immigrati Did you actually read my link? All yours does is attempt to discredit the MW source, but they only re-published the content of studies by different UK governments and other respected bodies. I suspect all that's probably not of much interest to you though...https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/illegalimmigrantsintheuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, timbothaivisa said: Did you actually read my link? All yours does is attempt to discredit the MW source, but they only re-published the content of studies by different UK governments and other respected bodies. I suspect all that's probably not of much interest to you though...https://www.newstatesman.com/2017/02/how-many-illegal-immigrants-are-uk I know all about the body you posted a link to. They are a right wing organisation with a very prejudicial agenda. They only report that which suits their agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbothaivisa Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: I know all about the body you posted a link to. They are a right wing organisation with a very prejudicial agenda. They only report that which suits their agenda. Uhuh - so what about the UK government (Labour as well as Conservatives) and the London School of Economics studies? I guess they are also all fascists who just hate all brown people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, timbothaivisa said: Uhuh - so what about the UK government (Labour as well as Conservatives) and the London School of Economics studies? I guess they are also all fascists who just hate all brown people No, that would be the body you are defending, who only quote that which supports their agenda. http://www.irr.org.uk/news/lies-damned-lies-and-racism/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watcharacters Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Much ado about nothing.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbothaivisa Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 24 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: No, that would be the body you are defending, who only quote that which supports their agenda. http://www.irr.org.uk/news/lies-damned-lies-and-racism/ You're making no sense - but naturally your blind ideology demands non-sense :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 17 minutes ago, timbothaivisa said: You're making no sense - but naturally your blind ideology demands non-sense :) I’m making perfect sense. You just don’t like the fact I regard mw as a right wing group, that only quotes that which supports their highly prejudicial agenda. There are none so blind as those who will not see. That would be mw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroveHillWanderer Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 20 hours ago, timbothaivisa said: Uhuh - so what about the UK government (Labour as well as Conservatives) and the London School of Economics studies? I guess they are also all fascists who just hate all brown people If you look at the Office for National Statistics (ONS) web page that you yourself linked to, you will find the following comment related to the various reports on the estimated number of illegal immigrants: Quote To summarise the findings of these reports, although organisations have attempted to use data sources to estimate the number of illegal immigrants resident in the UK, the methodology behind this work requires huge assumptions thus making the estimates largely uncertain. So whether the numbers are from Migration Watch themselves or from other sources, they're all basically just guesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SABloke Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 On 2/8/2018 at 1:17 PM, Lingba said: man oh man if they would only put this much effort into educating their kids in schools and educating drivers on the roads, this place would be hub material again Education does indeed sucks and may drivers are terrible BUT this is about immigration working with tourist police to...well...carry out their duties of monitoring foreign citizens. So they're doing their jobs. Or would you prefer if the checkout lady didn't scan your food items, or the surgeon not close you up, or.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvs Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 hour ago, SABloke said: Education does indeed sucks and may drivers are terrible BUT this is about immigration working with tourist police to...well...carry out their duties of monitoring foreign citizens. So they're doing their jobs. Or would you prefer if the checkout lady didn't scan your food items, or the surgeon not close you up, or.... Or what?Oh no not a massage without a happy ending? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbothaivisa Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 On 2/14/2018 at 10:51 AM, GroveHillWanderer said: If you look at the Office for National Statistics (ONS) web page that you yourself linked to, you will find the following comment related to the various reports on the estimated number of illegal immigrants: So whether the numbers are from Migration Watch themselves or from other sources, they're all basically just guesses. Quite - and the fact that everyone seems more motivated NOT to find out makes the whole discussion a lot more volatilehttps://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-immigration-uk-whats-hidden-national-insurance-number-data/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroveHillWanderer Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 3 hours ago, timbothaivisa said: Quite - and the fact that everyone seems more motivated NOT to find out makes the whole discussion a lot more volatilehttps://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-immigration-uk-whats-hidden-national-insurance-number-data/ I'm not sure I follow, the discussion (and the comment I made, which you were replying to) is about the difficulty in establishing accurate figures for illegal immigrants, since almost by definition, they are not officially registered as being in the country and go out of their way to avoid being detected. The link you give here is about whether short-term legal EU migrants who stay less than a year, should be counted - a totally different thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The manic Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 On 08/02/2018 at 12:50 PM, Tilacme said: Or they dont have 800,000 to put in limbo. Not necessary. Use agent and keep your money back home. 500 sovs for the service and saves running around and dealing with bureaucrats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbothaivisa Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 On 2/16/2018 at 3:54 PM, GroveHillWanderer said: I'm not sure I follow, the discussion (and the comment I made, which you were replying to) is about the difficulty in establishing accurate figures for illegal immigrants, since almost by definition, they are not officially registered as being in the country and go out of their way to avoid being detected. The link you give here is about whether short-term legal EU migrants who stay less than a year, should be counted - a totally different thing. The point is that when there's a will, there's a way. But there is no political will. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/09/20/measuring-illegal-immigration-how-pew-research-center-counts-unauthorized-immigrants-in-the-u-s/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrules Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 I won't answer my door or even look out of the window. People attend my house by appointment only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJohnson Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Get the immigration police to do a sweep of Sukhumvit Soi 1 through to Asok junction, both sides of the road on any evening between 10pm and midnight. They would need several 50-seater buses to accommodate those caught up in the sweep. Oh, and they would also need the willingness to undertake such a genuine sweep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHTel Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Typical TV. 90% BS and 10% sensible posts. Started with a simple report of police doing their job, and doing it politely. Nothing changes here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 7 hours ago, HHTel said: Typical TV. 90% BS and 10% sensible posts. Started with a simple report of police doing their job, and doing it politely. Nothing changes here! I think the cynical point of view stems from the assumption Tourist Police are cooperating with Immigration Police on this effort. I know they have in my area. So Tourist Police had to have received a list of foreigner addresses from Immigration's data base. How else would they know where to go? One could reasonably presume the Immigration data base print out would also reflect the foreigner's visa/extension status. So why waste time checking a person who's details are up to date with Immigration, such as the man in the OP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvs Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 4 hours ago, 55Jay said: I think the cynical point of view stems from the assumption Tourist Police are cooperating with Immigration Police on this effort. I know they have in my area. So Tourist Police had to have received a list of foreigner addresses from Immigration's data base. How else would they know where to go? One could reasonably presume the Immigration data base print out would also reflect the foreigner's visa/extension status. So why waste time checking a person who's details are up to date with Immigration, such as the man in the OP? Aparently some people do not reside at the address given to the Immigration Police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 3 hours ago, jvs said: Aparently some people do not reside at the address given to the Immigration Police. Sure, but that's not the point of the OP. This is about finding over-stayers. To that end, Immigration and the Tourist Police might net more "bad guys" if they started with a list of "bad guys", not known "good guys". But then again, elderly foreigners typically don't run when the cops visit; if they do, it's not very fast. So they are low hanging fruit for unimaginative jobsworths who might also be dumb enough to think media coverage of tourist police harassing old guys at home in Hua Hin, makes their outfit look good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHTel Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 hour ago, 55Jay said: Sure, but that's not the point of the OP. This is about finding over-stayers. NO it's not. It's simply an address check. Nothing sinister about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 On 2/8/2018 at 12:38 PM, webfact said: The checks involve officers visiting foreigners at home to ensure they have not overstayed their visa. I don't suppose it worth a bun fight over but..... from the OP itself ^. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, HHTel said: NO it's not. It's simply an address check. Nothing sinister about it. See above post. Not suggesting there's anything sinister about it. Just a bit daft really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrules Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 minute ago, 55Jay said: I don't suppose it worth a bun fight over but..... from the OP itself ^. They will know from the computer records if the foreigner is over staying their visa or not. I suspect they can print out a list of all foreigners who have expired visas (overstayers) once per week with a single mouse click. Why dont they do that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHTel Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 I think the OP was a little paranoid in his remarks. It's happened to me and several people I know and overstaying was never mentioned. Just ID to show you are at the address given to immigration. Always polite to the point of being apologetic. Overstaying can certainly be identified by immigration without a visit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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