amykat Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 13 hours ago, Awk said: Like some others I think there must be a bit more to this than just the father trying to leave Thailand with his son as normal, then being caught in a random spot check during passport control. I don't feel the need to insinuate anything bad about the guy who apparently tried to help the father though, as some here do (not you). Also because there are simpler explanations Were the father to simply lack permission from the mother upon departure, which Thailand immigration does spot checks on, by all accounts I've read he would simply have been turned away together with his son, with nothing more happening. "Get the permission paper and come back next day, thank you." I at one time tried to get a qualified answer for how long it would take from the time one parent tried to report the other parent without permission leaving Thailand with a child the departing parent had shared custody over, till the departing parent would face trouble at the border. I did not get any reliable answer, but from what I guess happened here, the Thai authorities move fast in cases like this. And the mother must have know what to do and who to call too. Yes, how about that? She was surprised that he arrived and took the child. If the report is true, which I believe, she said okay fine, take him back home. But then she already knew what to do and how to do it, to report him and did it. This was thought out before hand. That is not Thai style for country girls, in my opinion. But it turns out she has a UK boyfriend and her sister just married one also?? Surely one of them or both of them are advising her. Maybe she is telling them plenty of lies about what an ass husband is too, we don't know. Maybe new boyfriend wants to move to Thailand and she won't come without the boy? Or maybe they just told her after she took him that she broke the law and is in big trouble now? Anyway, there is one very biased poster on here, who is from the UK who knows a lot about Hague Convention and such things, and seems to know about the family, who is new, who calls her kidnapping 'alleged" and called him a child trafficker, said that he committed robbery for taking the passport and has said such very biased things that I can't figure out the reasons for, unless he is somehow attached to that side?? That gave me this idea before I learned that she indeed had a UK boyfriend and her sister just married one too. The father may have been quite carefully set up in some ways. Also maybe they are interested in manipulating some kind of divorce settlement? That would be quite evil. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tony125 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 17 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said: I've been in touch with the mother and, as I thought, she has every intention of going back to her life in Scotland - "when all the problems finish". I think the question tukkytuktuk and now me are asking is not that she told you this but how do you know the mother? Are you the person she is visiting in Thailand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewsterbudgen Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I think the question tukkytuktuk and now me are asking is not that she told you this but how do you know the mother? Are you the person she is visiting in Thailand?I've known her since 2005. She was a "gik" for a while and great fun to go out clubbing with. We drifted apart when she met Joe, but have always stayed in touch. She came back to Thailand for her sister's wedding.Sent from my SM-G930F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 18 hours ago, MaeJoMTB said: I get my misses to write "I give permission for my husband to take our son to the UK" on a signed copy of her ID card and house book, along with her phone number. That could easily be contested. To be of value in court it would need to be witnessed by some legal entity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo2014 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) On 25/02/2018 at 4:55 PM, MaeJoMTB said: BBC says NO, "British authorities have no jurisdiction in Thailand, which is not a signatory of the Hague Convention, and abduction is not considered a crime in the Thai Kingdom." http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-14737210 Thailand is a signatory to the Hague - but there needs to be diplomatic relations between two countries for it to be effective. There supporting law against abduction but it is a slow process. In the experience of a friend it is reasonably fair to foreigners. http://www.tilleke.com/resources/thailand-child-abduction-act-legal-recourse-parents https://www.ag.gov.au/FamiliesAndMarriage/Families/InternationalFamilyLaw/Pages/HagueConventionOnTheCivilAspectsOfInternationalChildAbduction.aspx Edited February 27, 2018 by Jimbo2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkok Ape Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said: I've known her since 2005. She was a "gik" for a while and great fun to go out clubbing with. We drifted apart when she met Joe, but have always stayed in touch. She came back to Thailand for her sister's wedding. Sent from my SM-G930F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app What a strange comment. Why are you bragging about this? This isn't some Pattaya sex tourist forum where people feel the need to boast about there conquests. Sad man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewsterbudgen Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 What a strange comment. Why are you bragging about this? This isn't some Pattaya sex tourist forum where people feel the need to boast about there conquests. Sad man.How is this bragging? I was answering Tony's question.Sent from my SM-G930F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tukkytuktuk Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 19 hours ago, MaeJoMTB said: I get my misses to write "I give permission for my husband to take our son to the UK" on a signed copy of her ID card and house book, along with her phone number. But a signature can easily be forged and the phone number meaningless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 17 minutes ago, tukkytuktuk said: But a signature can easily be forged and the phone number meaningless. Probably the best idea is have your lawyer make up an agreement signed by both parties in front of witnesses. Preferably in Thai, so there are no misunderstandings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tukkytuktuk Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I can't see the Thai authorities imprisoning the 2 Brits for a long length of time. It's sure to attract negative international press. After all this is a custody battle really and not a human trafficking violation. Both mother and father have the childs safety and well being at heart. They should both work out how they can both see their child in a grown up manner without any of this running off or snatching back tom foolery. I would say that the mother wants this and now that the father has had time to think he must also realise that he must let her see her child and not get sole custody in the U.K. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaeJoMTB Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Bangkok Ape said: What a strange comment. Why are you bragging about this? This isn't some Pattaya sex tourist forum where people feel the need to boast about there conquests. Sad man. How would you know? You only have 1 post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaeJoMTB Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 48 minutes ago, tukkytuktuk said: But a signature can easily be forged and the phone number meaningless. Airport immigration in Thailand and the UK seem happy with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, MaeJoMTB said: How would you know? You only have 1 post! It doesn't even take one post. Claiming the mother in question was your "gik" sounds a bit like bragging to me too. Even if you don't consider it bragging, it's certainly not in good taste. Edited February 27, 2018 by tropo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewsterbudgen Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 It doesn't even take one post. Claiming the mother in question was your "gik" sounds a bit like bragging to me too. Even if you don't consider it bragging, it's certainly not in good taste.Maybe I've been here too long, but the term "gik" is very common. I could re-phrase it and say she had been my girlfriend, but she really wasn't. Sorry if it upsets some people, but let's not take the thread off topic.Sent from my SM-G930F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tukkytuktuk Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said: Maybe I've been here too long, but the term "gik" is very common. I could re-phrase it and say she had been my girlfriend, but she really wasn't. Sorry if it upsets some people, but let's not take the thread off topic. Sent from my SM-G930F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Exactly, we are not here to discuss your relationship with the mother. What I would like to know is, does anyone know what happens next in this tragic battle? Will the jailed father and his accomplice be released on bail? Will a meeting between the father and mother arranged? Who will be brought in to handle this international custody case? Will the British Embassy be involved with the Thai authorities to represent both and come to an agreement on their much loved son? I know you'll all say I don't know, but someone must have an idea of what we shall likely see happening and hopefully soon. The son has suffered enough and he needs to know who he can see and stay with, etc.. Edited February 27, 2018 by tukkytuktuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewsterbudgen Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Exactly, we are not here to discuss your relationship with the mother. What I would like to know is, does anyone know what happens next in this tragic battle? Will the jailed father and his accomplice be released on bail? Will a meeting between the father and mother arranged? Who will be brought in to handle this international custody case? Will the British Embassy be involved with the Thai authorities to represent both and come to an agreement on their much loved son? I know you'll all say I don't know, but someone must have an idea of what we shall likely see happening and hopefully soon. The son has suffered enough and he needs to know who he can see and stay with, etc..Hopefully someone with knowledge about the father's side will update, or the UK media will. The boy and mum seem happy enough - this photo was from yesterday.Sent from my SM-G930F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tukkytuktuk Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I was happy at that age too! A big hug, a lolly pop and smile for the camera. I bet the kid still misses his dad. Yes, his dad did go about it all wrong but he has a right to see his son too. Don't take sides! Find solutions T-O-G-E-T-H-E-R. A boy needs a father as well as a mother. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tukkytuktuk Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Weʼre raising £5,000 to help raise funds for legal bills for Joe who was arrested in Thailand for abducting his own son. Please help No matter how big or small. https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/joe-smith-5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2702 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 4 hours ago, tukkytuktuk said: Exactly, we are not here to discuss your relationship with the mother. What I would like to know is, does anyone know what happens next in this tragic battle? Will the jailed father and his accomplice be released on bail? Will a meeting between the father and mother arranged? Who will be brought in to handle this international custody case? Will the British Embassy be involved with the Thai authorities to represent both and come to an agreement on their much loved son? I know you'll all say I don't know, but someone must have an idea of what we shall likely see happening and hopefully soon. The son has suffered enough and he needs to know who he can see and stay with, etc.. Well let's hope this is all a big misunderstanding and all parties think of the child's interests and the police withdraw the charges and let the two gents out asap. I think it's a possibility this lady by some people's accounts is not a bad apple and herself is apparently trying to get back to bonny Scotland. The charity chap does have some councillors ears in the UK so if this drags on I'm sure there will be calls made and some sensible solutions found. A happy ending similar to that guy darron from south Africa had would be great but the time it took to get there could be a disaster for all parties in this case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilsonandson Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Well let's hope this is all a big misunderstanding and all parties think of the child's interests and the police withdraw the charges and let the two gents out asap. I think it's a possibility this lady by some people's accounts is not a bad apple and herself is apparently trying to get back to bonny Scotland. The charity chap does have some councillors ears in the UK so if this drags on I'm sure there will be calls made and some sensible solutions found. A happy ending similar to that guy darron from south Africa had would be great but the time it took to get there could be a disaster for all parties in this case.Jintra should now help her ex get out of prison and the both of them sort out this problem in the proper way.Come on JintraCome on JoeDo it for your son!Sent from my SM-A700FD using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLCrab Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 If Jodie Smith and Mr. Felton are indeed charged with criminal abduction it may not be up to Mr. Smith and Jintra to do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilsonandson Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 If Jodie Smith and Mr. Felton are indeed charged with criminal abduction it may not be up to Mr. Smith and Jintra to do anything.How do you mean?Sent from my SM-A700FD using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLCrab Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 40 minutes ago, Wilsonandson said: How do you mean? The Thailand Child Abduction Act of 2013 was enacted so a person granted lawful custodial rights to a child ex-Thailand can initiate civil proceedings in Thailand to recover a child wrongfully brought by another into Thailand and return the child to the country ex-Thailand. It was not enacted to allow the person with custodial rights ex-Thailand to enter Thailand and grab the child and take the child out of Thailand without the consent of a lawful Thai parent. The Thai authorities may want to use the current situation to make sure others are aware of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awk Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 8 hours ago, JLCrab said: If Jodie Smith and Mr. Felton are indeed charged with criminal abduction it may not be up to Mr. Smith and Jintra to do anything. And pray tell, who in this world do you think can accuse Mr. Smith of "criminal abduction" of his own child, if not the child's other custodian, the mother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLCrab Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, Awk said: And pray tell, who in this world do you think can accuse Mr. Smith of "criminal abduction" of his own child, if not the child's other custodian, the mother? The Royal Thai Immigration Police could arrest Mr. Smith and Mr. Felton at BKK and charge them with abduction even before the Mother might know that the child was missing. Edited February 28, 2018 by JLCrab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilsonandson Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 The Royal Thai Immigration Police could arrest Mr. Smith and Mr. Felton at BKK and charge them with abduction even before the Mother might know that the child was missing.He had his passport. Full custody of his son granted in the U.K courts! Kindly explain this, please.Sent from my SM-A700FD using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLCrab Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, Wilsonandson said: He had his passport. Full custody of his son granted in the U.K courts! Kindly explain this, please. Sent from my SM-A700FD using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app The boy had his UK passport which showed that he entered Thailand when the father was still in UK. Custody rights granted in the UK are the basis for a civil action under the Thailand Child Abduction Act -- not the basis to remove the child from Thailand without the consent of the Thai mother whose rights prevail when the child is in Thailand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spermwhale Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 On 2/26/2018 at 10:01 PM, MaeJoMTB said: No, not certain, BBC report says didn't. I sat down with my lawyer in my impending custody case and he confirmed that Thailand signed the convention in 2012 and that's probably why there is conflicting information online because some of it is outdated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kolkolkol Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 On 2/25/2018 at 10:56 AM, Tradewind777 said: Thailand is a signatory of The Hague Convention and as such once the processes are completed, Thailand would have to send the child back to UK. However, lengthy legal challenges are possible and it can drag out indefinitely and if she can argue the case effectively (sometimes perps get away with falsehoods), she can get away with it. Jodie was however in the wrong to take the law into his own hands and bypass the processes for which he is in hot water. It’s a dreadful case of possession being nine tenths of the law. She did the right thing by providing tea money sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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